Last night at around 3.45am, theres a huge wallop against my front door, some smackhead trying to break in, I went looking for him and found him passed out on his back in the middle of a cul de sac, he could have been dead so I didnt go near him, I updated the police and an ambulance rolls up over an hour later, he hadn't moved in all that time even when it started raining, the police completely failed to turn up, the guy turned out to be okay but looks like he's got away with attempted break in, my brother's girlfriend is a cop but doesnt cover my area so I'll ask her later today if she can find anything out. Is it me or is that a terrible response.
Edit. I called police before I went looking for him, then again shortly after.
That's Austerity for you, cut the Police to the bone and then wonder why they drop so many cases.....
Unless it's life threatening I'd not expect to get any urgent response from the Police now; they're stretched too thin.
Poor response from the police indeed, fair from the ambulance service though. Why should they race to the aid of a nutter/criminal when they're that busy with corona patients.
I'd be persistent with the police though, have you got anything on camera?
Why should they race to the aid of a nutter/criminal when they’re that busy with corona patients.
The case will have been triaged appropriatey based on the symptoms as described. As a non life endangering case, he'll have the standard wait.
Not nice, but
he could have been dead so I didnt go near him, I updated the police and an ambulance rolls up over an hour later, he hadn’t moved in all that time even when it started raining
That’s pretty poor, he could’ve been dying and you could’ve done some basic first aid/basic checks to pass on to ambo to save him
You should have told the police there was already 6 people in the house, they'd have been round in minutes
Maybe he wasn't trying to break in. Maybe he was feeling ill and was coming to your door to ask for help and collapsed against the door before he reached it?
That's what his lawyer would call "reasonable doubt"
That’s pretty poor, he could’ve been dying and you could’ve done some basic first aid/basic checks to pass on to ambo to save him
I wouldn't if they'd just tried to burgle me - they could have been armed and crazy or anything, nice idea in theory but in reality I think it's fair to leave them to it in that situation and call the services for help.
That’s pretty poor, he could’ve been dying and you could’ve done some basic first aid/basic checks to pass on to ambo to save him
You have a different attitude towards people who have tried to rob you than I would have.
Although as Perchy points out, he may have been in need of medical assistance, rather than attempting burglary. Unfortunately the only witness was the other side of a solid object and had just been rudely aroused at 3.45am.
It's as if 2021 has kicked off early.
you could’ve done some basic first aid/basic checks to pass on to ambo to save him
As above - I wouldn't be going near someone that had just tried to barge my door down either! However I would have done more than the OP suggests they did (ie, go back out to check from a distance, recall the police and ambulance service to explain that the person hadn't moved and that I was concerned for their welfare).
rudely aroused
That's a whole different ballgame legally.
Unless you mean 'rudely roused'.
😁
If he wasn’t moving then unlikely to pose a threat to you, at least get them in recovery position
If he wasn’t moving then unlikely to pose a threat to you, at least get them in recovery position
Pretty sure I wouldn't take the chance on someone who had just been attacking my front door - who knows they could be carrying a knife and your good Samaritan action could cost you your life.....
If he wasn’t moving then unlikely to pose a threat to you, at least get them in recovery position
But then the person regains consciousness by being moved, is startled, is disorientated, panics and reacts violently...
I wouldn't take the risk.
Really houns and perchy, then Why did he scarper when the light came on.
The time and the look of him screamed total scumbag, so I couldn't care less if he dies, total oxygen thief
Nothing on tape unfortunately.
Also being a saint could have got me stabbed or accused of murder if he was brown bread.
fair from the ambulance service though. Why should they race to the aid of a nutter/criminal when they’re that busy with corona patients.
Because it's the job of the healthcare service to look after people and not pass judgment on what they have done. Simple.
You have a different attitude towards people who have tried to rob you than I would have.
Perhaps but with the benefit of hindsight I'd probably feel bad if it turned out it was someone in real need of medical attention and that was the cause of the rude (a)rousal
Why did he scarper when the light came on.
"Well yer'onner, my client was disorientated due to his medical condition and was stumbling blindly from place to place in a desperate but futile plea for assistance.
Mere seconds later he was rendered unconscious for over an hour. Clearly he was unfit for the act of burglary.
I call for the case against my client to be dismissed."
Tricksy one, but I'm with johndoh. Especially with family in the house. Location counts too, if you're somewhere (i.e. not town centre around the corner from the late bar) that 3am sloshed callers are "a bit rare" then you might be being doubly careful.
Having been on the receiving end of a (thankfully no violence toward inhabitants) more successful break in many moons ago in studenty days may influence that perspective.
Genuinely surprised by some of the responses. If I saw someone not moving in the street outside my house of course I would go and check on them. Not saying I wouldn't take my big D cell torch with me to check on them but I would go out.
I wouldn't have been going near him either. Last thing I'd be wanting is a used needle jabbed in my hand when I disturb him..
That said, not entirely sure of this bit..!!
The time and the look of him screamed total scumbag, so I couldn’t care less if he dies, total oxygen thief
also being a saint could have got me stabbed or accused of murder
I heard a rumour there's a dodgy virus going round that you can catch off people too.
Probably just scaremongering eh.
The time and the look of him screamed total scumbag, so I couldn’t care less if he dies, total oxygen thief
If I was having a heart attack and trying to alert a neighbour for help, I probably wouldn't be dressed in my dinner attire.
Scruffy people deserve to die.
I probably wouldn’t be dressed in my dinner attire.
Exactly! Id get changed into scruffy clothes as soon as a heart attack kicks off.
Unless it’s life threatening I’d not expect to get any urgent response from the Police now; they’re stretched too thin.
But not too thin to waste time checking the colour of someones car...
#blackroofsmatter
I think in the circumstances I would have done much the same as the op.
I am a little surprised that the ambulance staff attended and assisted him without the police being present.
I am a little surprised that the ambulance staff attended and assisted him without the police being present.
Don't be, ambulance crews suffer this situation all time time, often ending up injured or assaulted themselves. It's more frequent than you want to think but it's their job and they put up with it (for better or worse).
I come along to make a comment.
Read this;
Scruffy people deserve to die.
Then mooch away. Head bowed with a petted lip.
Unless it’s relatively trivial offence they can squeeze a few quid out of you if your a hard working conciencious member of society with no criminal record . I’d not expect to get any urgent response
FTFY
Another way of looking at it maybe he tried it again a bit further down the road and someone put him on his back and simply went back to bed.
#blackroofsmatter
Well, I enjoyed it 👍
BLM
me too. Well done that man
No bombers, no shoe wee’ing and no frozen sausages - this thread really is pretty subpar
Also being a saint could have got me stabbed or accused of murder if he was brown bread.
Eh?
Edit: Oooh that means dead in mockney apparently.
There are actually people so posh on here they don't understand cockney rhyming slang?
There's no cockneys left, they're all mockneys now and I try to avoid them at all cost.
The time and the look of him screamed total scumbag, so I couldn’t care less if he dies, total oxygen thief
I'm calling Gammon.
Perhaps his total lack of movement was due to him bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged squawk.
There are actually people so posh on here they don’t understand cockney rhyming slang?
I laughed.
Really houns and perchy, then Why did he scarper when the light came on.
Of course you were calm and polite as you turned the light on? You did nothing that would cause them to run away? And you had such a good view of them (in the dark) it was definitely the same guy not someone who was attacked by the burglar as he fled the scene? Whilst I'm not naive enough to think the PP's defence is most likely explanation you also have to ask what sort of burglar pursues their trade by making a very loud noise - and for this reason you'll often find the "mistaken address when I was drunk" defence used, and possible a breach of the peace type charge instead being accepted by the crown.
The time and the look of him screamed total scumbag, so I couldn’t care less if he dies, total oxygen thief
There are many reasons why someone can appear to look like a "smackhead" or a "scumbag" not all of them their fault - or even drugs related. I'm not saying I'd have been too keen to approach someone who moments before I believed was trying to break into my house - but then I probably wouldn't have gone hunting for them either.
The oxygen thief scum are those who prey on the most vulnerable in society to get them addicted to drugs - whilst living a life of luxury themselves, but they are usually smarter dressed and not lying "dying" on the street so are easy to ignore.
Nothing on tape unfortunately.
Also being a saint could have got me stabbed or accused of murder if he was brown bread.
If he had tripped and banged his head, I'm not sure the fact you never went near him would necessarily help you avoid some squeaky bum moments answering questions about why someone you chased in now lying dead with with a head injury. A better defence to murder would likely be - "if my client intended to kill, why was he immediately giving first aid to try and save his life".
What makes you think he was trying to break in?.
Wasted and trying the wrong door ? wouldn't be the first time I've heard that happening.
As for the rest, you assumed he was a criminal so left him to die. What if he wasn't a criminal ?
A basic check on him would have sufficed.
Hang on, OP.
You were big and brave enough to go out on your own at night looking for him (and therefore, presumably, a confrontation) but not brave enough to give first aid/assistance to someone you said yourself might be dying?
Big guy.
