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I see the right wing press as being hysterical as usual and there's not a fat lot of objectivity. In fact I'd sum most of it up as conspiracy theory bollocks misquoting and misusing published information. You mentioned Japan which has a number of specificities - an aging population, Covid arrived late at a time when vaccine effectivenes was declining in the face of new variants... . The jury is still out there. Was it just Covid causing the excess deaths or the Covid vaccine? Hard to tell when most people got both and testing was incomplete. I got Covid before the vaccines so I'm absolutely convinced it's Covid not the vaccines that resulted in my current state, however if I hadn't got Covid till a later variant after the vaccination which would I blame?
Compare this with your own words on Japan in your ealier post:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12095670/
You state as fact what the scientists are considering as possibilities.
The title of the paper itself is a poor choice, especially the word "after" which can be read as either "despite" or "because of" depending on how you want to present it.
Now this might all be coincidental, but why is it that we are being told to dismiss such information as 'far-right' etc? Surely we need to put our politics aside on this one, and with all the new evidence coming to light recently, it does need a proper looking into.
Citation needed. What ‘new evidence’ has been coming to light recently? There were certainly some adverse effects with the first AZ vaccines, I understand that there were 68 deaths directly connected with the vaccine, out of approximately 3 million people vaccinated in the U.K.
I can count my late partner as a likely victim, although I have no actual proof, as I refuse to ask her family for confirmation, for obvious reasons.
The number of deaths that may have occurred without any vaccine, on the other hand, could easily have run into millions, like the 1918 epidemic. It’s estimated, because there are countries that never recorded the actual numbers of deaths, ran into 50-100 million.
So, when you can come back and present real, factual information, supplied by organisations that can be trusted, instead of just presenting hearsay, then we might be prepared to listen. Until then, shut up.
https://twitter.com/donmcgowan/status/1964366026457350468?s=46&t=qvPR6lBfBXtAWZ-6beFWyA
Full article below on Farage and his vaccine bollox
https://twitter.com/donmcgowan/status/1955891252374675792?s=46&t=qvPR6lBfBXtAWZ-6beFWyA
I work in a clinical research setting. He wouldn't be able to say that at work, but he can say it there. Mental.
Unfortunately the right leaning press at present seem the only ones to entertain any sort of alternative scientific opinion (of which there seems lots).
Maybe if they offered well researched and peer-reviewed scientific facts (or even verifiable hypotheses) rather than opinions they would be taken more seriously? You know what they say about opinions..
It's hardly a coincidence politically. You'd have to have been living in a cave for the last 10 years not realise why the alt-right would pick up the antivax conspiracy theories and run with them. It is the alt-right who figured first about the hundreds of millions of lonely, disenfranchised, cut-off people ripe for targeted social media misinformation.
In the 80s through to the 00s it was the left who traditionally seeded conspiracy theories as it was "us vs the establishment and their coverups". But they had to do the hard work themselves as SM wasn't really a thing. They had to get books published and articles written about them in newspapers.
But the alt-right realised how to use SM to turbocharge this process of alienation and paranoia. The 'establishment' could then be different things to different people, sometimes the same people at different times. Lockdowns sent this process into overdrive. Ultimately people just don't really like being told what to do.
Maybe western politicians should have let covid rip. But that's a hell of a way to prove a point, knowing that the conspiracy bollocks will just be altered to blame you anyway.
Grifters united
Oh, and this. Imagine a world where you had to message or cold call potential marks. Then imagine one where you could just bang it out on social media and wait for the bites.
Just regarding Reform's big in favour of free speech - why aren't they encouraging people to support Kneecap & Bob Vylan? After all I think they got the most headlines this year regarding it.
Yes it's a shame he had to speak at the Reform event, but perhaps the Green Party haven't invited him?
Political events, left or right, are not suitable places to discuss vaccine efficacy. That would be scientific journals and associated scholarship. That's why folks like Malhotra say the things they do in the places they do.
Maybe western politicians should have let covid rip.
Then the conspiracy would've been that there was a vaccine, but it only being given to elites. You can't win against conspiracy nut-cases at their own game. (to misquote) You can't remove something using rationality that was put there irrationally in the first place.
Just regarding Reform's big in favour of free speech - why aren't they encouraging people to support Kneecap & Bob Vylan? After all I think they got the most headlines this year regarding it.
Not THAT kind of free speech, silly!
There’s also the obvious paradox of gobshites like Farage, who have always been given hugely disproportionate amounts of print/airtime and are never off our screens, constantly complaining that they are being silenced and denied a voice by ‘the media elite’ (whoever they are?)
The thing with the anti-vax stuff is that it’s proved to be a very effective gateway into the tinfoil-helmeted world of far right conspiracy theories. Hence Farage and Reform now weaponising it as Trump has done in the states.
I know someone who’s done exactly this. He’s an educated and intelligent bloke too, who’s started with the anti-vax, then bought into the whole thing.
It’s understandable to have legitimate concerns about something that’s being injected into your body, particularly when developed (through necessity) in haste, but once down that wormhole it’s then on to completely mad shit like replacement theories and other hard right nonsense
Maybe western politicians should have let covid rip.
Then the conspiracy would've been that there was a vaccine, but it only being given to elites. You can't win against conspiracy nut-cases at their own game. (to misquote) You can't remove something using rationality that was put there irrationally in the first place.
Well if you'd quoted all of that paragraph, you would have seen that this was the point I was trying to make.
Maybe western politicians should have let covid rip. But that's a hell of a way to prove a point, knowing that the conspiracy bollocks will just be altered to blame you anyway.
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So then, here's the speech from Dr Malhotra. It's not that long but I am glad I watched it for context, rather than default to the media spin.
Seems pretty convincing and well reasoned to me. But it seems that some are concerned, so I remain open to hearing exactly which of the data quoted in this speech is controversial? What exactly is it Dr Malhotra has got wrong with his 'facts'?
Political events, left or right, are not suitable places to discuss vaccine efficacy. That would be scientific journals and associated scholarship. That's why folks like Malhotra say the things they do in the places they do.
As for this, though. Absolutely spot on. I would have said that breaking down the (correct) Chinese wall between stuff like vaccine efficacy and politics is another area where the alt-right have broken a political taboo and the established parties cannot fight it. How do you fight against something with no code or policies of its own and no regard for truth? And then you get bastards like Trump involved...
I remain open to hearing exactly which of the data quoted in this speech is controversial
I literally clicked to a point at random in that video and got a load of bollocks about how there's a huge cover-up of the damage caused by mRNA vaccines. That's not controversial, it's straight out wrong.
Ironically if it wasn't for the vaccine denial aspect of this man I actually agree with most of what he says regarding junk food and sugar laden snacks in children. However, on the basis of his vaccine conspiracy theories he should not be practising medicine in this country in any form.
But it seems that some are concerned
Personally no, not in the slightest. I wouldn't pay anyone who speaks at a Reform event the slightest bit of attention. His capacity to influence others? That's a bit more concerning as a lot of the general public don't have the wherewithal to understand why a doctor pushing antivax issues on a political platform is problematic...
By rocking up & speaking at a Reform event you are immeadiately in my opinion showing yourself as a grifter &/or conspiracy theorist.
I am judging you by the company you keep.
Seems pretty convincing and well reasoned to me.
So do the likes of Jordan Peterson, climatic deniers, 9/11 commentators - because they have no-one up there to challenge and fact check as they speak.
New cancer diagnosis rates have been increasing for decades and projected to go on rising. They were rising before the Covid vaccines and after. I've seen nothing to suggest that the Covid vaccines created a spike other than the one caused by delays in diagnosis due to Covid restrictions. If you're looking for causes of increased cancer diagnosis then you also need to consider:
An increasingly overweight population
An increasingly unhealthy diet
An increasingly sedentary population
Air pollution, especially the rise of the diesel car
Microplastics
Synthetic fibre clothes
PIFAS - forevever chemicals
Increasing alcohol consumption
The sun tan generation
Air tight homes full of chemicals and in some areas radon gas
Nuclear testing and accidents
1970s polythene water supply pipes
Pesticide fungicide and herbicide use
HPV and hepatitis B/C
That's other factors off the top of my head in the time it took to type it and yet Dr Malotra has data (that he won't bore us with) and evidence tht he won't quote to prove it's the vaccines.
It's convincing and well-reasoned bollocks.
so I remain open to hearing exactly which of the data quoted in this speech is controversial?
Because its at a political rally. Malhotra isn't trying to convince a body of his peers that data is incorrect at a conference or through a peer-reviewed paper as he cannot get a hearing in those places, so he's reduced to making political speeches to reinforce a message about not trusting authority figures in this country. Its why Flat-Earthers choose YouTube and not MIT. That's the point.
It may contain defendable 'facts' but again, that's merely to lend it a hint of verisimilitude. The Leave campaign did exactly the same thing.
‘Dai Hard’ - joined us on 1st September 2025, and it looks like his only contributions are promoting anti-vax bollocks on this thread…
vax trolls have impressive commitment
vax trolls have impressive commitment
Or just 'issues'.
I started watching....and in the intro I heard that he's been advising RFK Jr
Unless the advice to RFK is to stop being such a ****, I lost faith there.
Unfortunately there are very real world consequences to legitimising the opinions of cranks by giving them a mainstream platform, as the recent spate of (totally unnecessary) child deaths from measles in Merseyside demonstrated.
Not that Farage gives a flying **** of course. And I suppose it is a certain form of Darwinism
So then, here's the speech from Dr Malhotra. It's not that long but I am glad I watched it for context, rather than default to the media spin.
Seems pretty convincing and well reasoned to me. But it seems that some are concerned, so I remain open to hearing exactly which of the data quoted in this speech is controversial? What exactly is it Dr Malhotra has got wrong with his 'facts'?
Jesus ****ing christ, perhaps you should change your name to "Dip shit" if you consider a video hosted by Dr John "the nurse" Campbell "king of grifters" to help your case,
No point in conversing any further with someone like yourself, go swallow bleach
So then, here's the speech from Dr Malhotra. It's not that long but I am glad I watched it for context, rather than default to the media spin scientific facts
FTFY
‘Dai Hard’ - joined us on 1st September 2025, and it looks like his only contributions are promoting anti-vax bollocks on this thread…
vax trolls have impressive commitment
They are a new member sure, but to be fair they have started a couple of bike related threads and made more posts on them than on here. I disagree with their apparent anti-vax stance, but instantly dismissing them as a troll because their views differ is a bit premature I think. There are lots of people who think like that and even if we might think they are misguided, it does not necessarily follow that voicing their views, if genuinely held equates to "trolling". Just my view, I realise it will not be a popular one.
Channel 4 news did a vox pop on the street in Sunderland a few weeks back, where Reform are polling really well. They simply asked a load of professed Reform supporters ‘other than immigration, what other Reform policies do you support?’
Cue lots of confused looking people going “erm….. errrrrrrr……”
Isn't this exactly why trad politics and current Labour just isn't working? I mean, their lack of interest as well as the approach from some that it's their fault for not understanding more?
I trust responsible adults with experience in the relevant area to do the right thing. They don't always get it right but no company or organisation does. Yet here we all are, getting poorer and more disillusioned with the system while major shareholders in sh!te-spewing water companies or similarly grifty big business systems get very nice returns. The current govt isn't doing the damage that the Tories or Reform could, but they're doing nothing about diffusing the situation that will let that lot back in. They just don't get it.
So many people are less / not interested in the political detail BECAUSE IT DOESNT MATTER TO THEM and never did, they get screwed anyway. Labour, Tory, makes no odds. So they lash out and we all end up worse off including them. That was why Leave won and mainstream politics still hasn't learned. It doesn't matter how much anyone tries to tell them Farage is a con man, they're not listening to all that political BS. Politics had its chance and it messed it up, did nothing for so many. May as well just watch it all burn eh?
Then there's the people who recognise that in all the chaos that Reform can bring, they will have opportunities to grab more. Plenty of them about to add fuel to this fire.
One day Labour or others who may be or may have been good will understand this. It's like a stuck-in-his ways old man trying to argue with a teenager who's all attitude and spirit - no chance. America's democrats didn't know how to manage this and they let Trump in, now they're fked. Same will happen here if no-one but Reform listen to people who've been screwed over for so long.
Reform is the symptom, greed of the few and a lack of support of the majority is the cause. I realise Labour might once have been about addressing that but trad Labour values and the current Labour approach aren't the answer. We need some sort of socialist populism movement where good communicators who see where the problem really lies go in hard on all that. We might get it, but I think (unf.) it'll get worse for most of us before it can get better. The sooner we stop looking down and start listening the better.
Apologies if this has already been posted, but it's a most enjoyable evisceration of Farage by a democratic congressman in the House Judiciary Committee.
The current govt isn't doing the damage that the Tories or Reform could, but they're doing nothing about diffusing the situation that will let that lot back in. They just don't get it.
I think they get it very clearly. Unlike Reform they cannot promise the electorate that one left of centre administration in one country that's cut its-self off very deliberately from the largest commercial and political supra-national organisation on the planet can over-turn the effects of 40 years of globalised capitalism in one term. Well, I suppose they could, but that would make them just as bad. To get another term, Starmer (and not un-coincidentally, all the rest of us) need the votes of people who've voted Labour before, but who're currently considering a vote for Farage.
They are a new member sure, but to be fair they have started a couple of bike related threads and made more posts on them than on here. I disagree with their apparent anti-vax stance, but instantly dismissing them as a troll because their views differ is a bit premature I think.
With the disclaimer that I haven't read a single post of theirs and am taking this comment in isolation,
IME, the vast majority of time, the people fitting this description tend to be formerly banned users using a different name. Vanishingly few new accounts hit the ground verbosely running with contentious opinions, such an occurrence would be noteworthy in its own right.
There are outliers of course, they absolutely could be genuine as you suggest.
I think they get it very clearly.
They may do and I may be wrong, and I appreciate the can't get into the same game. I do see some treading with care on some topics too. But I'm not sure they grasp the importance of the equivalent of Boris's 3-word slogans or Farage's barefaced BS ability. Like a week is a long time in politics, 5 mins on a topic is a long speech. A complex truth is harder to communicate than an emotive idea, or a simple lie. And they're just not addressing the inequality in society which is the root cause.
Tax the richest.. there's a 3 words slogan 95% or more of us could get behind. Companies and individuals. "oh but they'd all leave, and the wealth generation engine / trickle down economics / whatever is lost"? OK, bye. We need to rebuild a broken model anyway. Iceland did it. I'm not an economist so I'm sure that is no simple answer but the concept and the aim is just an example that may land better than austerity lite or whatever Labour are doing .. I genuinely don't know what they do stand for. Problem is that people with votes know what Farage stands for.
And now having caught up on the previous page at least,
She has also send me a podcast from Senior Oncologist Angus Dalgleish (worth a Google),
First hit, Wikipedia,
Covid controversies
In October 2023, following a joint investigation analysing emails leaked in 2022 by Russian hacking group working for the Russian FSB, an article was published by Computer Weekly[27] and Byline Times[28] containing several controversial claims about Angus Dalgleish.
- That Dalgleish was a member of a secret group led by Richard Dearlove (former head of MI6), Gwythian Prins (a historian academic), and John Constable (of the Global Warming Policy Foundation) - who called themselves the "Covid Hunters".[28]
- That in March 2020 the group prepared an 'Urgent Briefing for the Prime Minister and his Advisers' which advised that COVID-19 originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology[28] (see COVID-19 lab leak ).
- That the group had briefed Boris Johnson that the man-made nature of the virus meant that the best candidate for vaccine development was the Norwegian Biovacc-19.[29] Also that Dalgleish had been given stock options in the company Immunor which held the patents for this vaccine due to his significant involvement in the research behind its development.
- That when the scientific journal Nature Medicine published an article contradicting them on the origin of COVID-19,[30] the group considered this to be COVID-19 misinformation by China.[28]
- That following these suspicions the group had advised Michael Gove to secretly start electronic surveillance on the journal using MI5 resources to uncover them as part of a “China Persons of Influence Network” of senior officials, politicians and academics allegedly under the influence of the communist state.[28] (For examples, see Chinese information operations and information warfare and Chinese espionage in the United States.)
- That the group had then contacted a range of other Western intelligence agencies to brief them on the supposed Chinese activity in a briefing titled 'The Three Interlocking Arms of The Intelligence Case against PRC' which claimed China was “attempting to control the terms of the origin of COVID-19 debate with active help from non-Chinese agents of influence, notably at the scientific journal Nature.[28]
- That the group had worked together previously to replace Theresa May with Boris Johnson and had previously attempted to replace the National Security Council.[28]
In November 2024, Dalgleish was interviewed in Australia on 2GB and repeated his views on the COVID-19 pandemic. He believed the lockdowns and mask mandates in many countries had been "total madness" and that the "vaccines" were wrongly named and had been "largely ineffective at saving lives" while causing many adverse reactions. Australia's pandemic response had been "absolutely appalling". Only Sweden had got it right, with no lockdown mandates, and with vaccines only for people over 70. He said the result had been "the lowest excess death rate in the entire western world."[31] However this claim has been invalidated by multiple data sources that show Sweden was not exceptional in its covid death rates and had a similar outcome to many other EU countries including Ireland and Finland, both which had lockdowns and vaccines. "[32]
In a speech to the Reform Party Conference in September 2025 Aseem Malholtra, an adviser to US health secretary Robert F Kennedy Jr, said: "One of Britain's most eminent oncologists Professor Angus Dalgleish said to me to share with you today that he thinks it's highly likely that the Covid vaccines have been a significant factor in the cancers in the royal family." [33]
he thinks it's highly likely that the Covid vaccines have been a significant factor in the cancers in the royal family
LOL. OK Dr Dangly-leash, whatever.
Problem is that people with votes know what Farage stands for.
I know people who vote for Farage. They really don't know what he stands for. One votes for him to "save the NHS". Another for a protection of their rights. Beyond making things harder for foreigners if they come here, and I suspect few people who have voted UKIP/Brexit/Reform really know what Farage stands for.
Problem is that people with votes know what Farage stands for.
I know people who vote for Farage. They really don't know what he stands for. One votes for him to "save the NHS". Another for a protection of their rights. Beyond making things harder for foreigners if they come here, and I suspect few people who have voted UKIP/Brexit/Reform really know what Farage stands for.
I'm sure it's YouTube selective editing but there seem to be a lot of Reform voters who seem genuinely amazed at Reforms stance on NHS, tax etc. Successive government's have followed them down the immigration rabbit hole instead of calling out the bullshit.
Imagine the scenario where you were made to eat lobster everyday
Imagine the scenario where something as simple as dietary choices killed people. I'm a lifelong vegetarian, but I might reconsider that lobster if the alternative was that immunocompromised Glyn next door would die if I didn't.
This was the unfortunate situation my wife found herself in when she refused her Covid vaccine because she had seen her best friend become seriously ill after taking it.
I don't know what to say here, you married a ****ing idiot? Sorry?
Unfortunately the right leaning press at present seem the only ones to entertain any sort of alternative scientific opinion (of which there seems lots). And it seems to be the right leaning press that have been raising concerns about the incredibly shady business practices of the pharmaceutical industry.
We-ell, no.
Point the first, there is science and then there is opinion. Science has a mechanism for dealing with "alternative" ideas, the credulous ones get examined further and the lunatic ones get dismissed.
The "incredibly shady business practices of the pharmaceutical industry" are well documented - I recommend Ben Goldacre's book 'Bad Pharma' as a jumping-off point here, it's excellent - but that doesn't mean you get to backfill with whatever random crap takes your fancy. I wouldn't trust 99% of politicians with an open mouth, that doesn't make them all lizards from the planet Xerxes.
I know people who vote for Farage. They really don't know what he stands for.
I doubt they care. When the only viable alternative is an upper middle class former public schoolboy in a suit, they're going to vote for the bloke with a pint in one hand and a fag in the other who doesn't like foreigners.
A party policy of forcing Walkers to switch green / blue crisp packet colours would almost certainly lead to a landslide victory for Reform. Coming up next, EU-shackle-free brexit bonus Marathons and bringing back Pacers and Spangles, yours for one shilling and tuppence.
They really don't know what he stands for. One votes for him to "save the NHS". Another for a protection of their rights.
I know what you mean, he's flaky on everything but nationalist talk. But it sounds like they believe they know what he's about? Or, they're coming up with something to support a more emotive reason. Works either way for Reform, they got a vote.
They may be wrong but that's partly about my point on saying people are wrong/daft/etc. They hear something that Farage offers that the rest don't (perception not reality) and I expect that's down to a different way of communicating, and dare I say it, Farage/Reform appearing to be listening. Although listening there goes with the ability to BS the answers and probably not actually care about those they are listening to in order to gain support. Edit, yes, this -
When the only viable alternative is an upper middle class former public schoolboy in a suit, they're going to vote for the bloke with a pint in one hand and a fag in the other who doesn't like foreigners.
And it seems to be the right leaning press that have been raising concerns about the incredibly shady business practices of the pharmaceutical industry.
Wait till you hear about the incredibly shady business practices of the right leaning press grift industry.
Farage/Reform appearing to be listening.
"appearing to be listening"
Read that again. Really. Nail, head.
Telling people what they want to hear is hellishly compelling. Telling people what you want them to hear leverages that self same compulsion. Homeopathy works because people 'don't feel heard' by doctors; because, we all fundamentally want to be heard. (He said, on social media.)
"Propaganda is a modern Latin word... From the 1790s, the term began being used also to refer to propaganda in secular activities."
that doesn't make them all lizards from the planet Xerxes
I think you'll find they come from the constellation of Draco...How was your holiday? Good I hope?
Farage/Reform appearing to be listening.
But nodding along to what frog-man is saying doesn't necessarily man anything so solid as voting for him. A quick scan of the polling on You Gov Just 32% of people think that Reform would improve how Britain is run, just 24% of people think that Reform would be competent, when people are asked to chose between Labour and Reform; 43% would prefer a second Starmer term, Starmer's also more popular as PM (35% to 28%)and most damning of all 60% of voters don't trust Reform on public finances, very few political parties get far without persuading the public on this (vis: The Greens). Reform may have a polling lead, but it's incredibly brittle
I predict many people will vote Reform without expecting they will "improve how Britain is run", or caring if they'll be competent. "Being heard" will be a big part of that vote turn out... and that doesn't need have to mean improving the country, or having it run well... being part of a "revolution" isn't always about such prosaic things.
And a theoretical straight run off between Labour and Reform is irrelevant. We are not France. That's not how our system works.
Oh, and speaking of our system... 60% of voters not trusting a party is also irrelevant, if they can poll higher than 30% and that support has the right geographic spread.