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What a joke... Halfing the crime rate? What's he gonna do, magic up 100% more police? Never mind how long it will take, how's it funded?
Is he going to create a USA style paramilitary force like trump has done with ICE?
Trump style promises. And they work. See 2016.
What a joke... Halfing the crime rate? What's he gonna do, magic up 100% more police? Never mind how long it will take, how's it funded?
Luckily for him a lot of people won't be too bothered about details. And they won't be watching any shows where people are asking him about those details.
What a joke... Halfing the crime rate? What's he gonna do, magic up 100% more police? Never mind how long it will take, how's it funded?
Luckily for him a lot of people won't be too bothered about details. And they won't be watching any shows where people are asking him about those details.
Unfortunately correct.
Sarah Pochin, the Reform MP has just been interviewed by Matt Chorley on Five Live.
Dear god, what a weapons grade dimwit.
It goes without saying that her defence and justification for Nige’s earlier brainfart was less than convincing, to say the least.
She’s literally making it up as she goes along, just like her boss. It all just falls apart at the most cursory of questioning
Matt Chorley’s appraisal: “You just point at random things you don’t like, without coming up with any details like how any of it is going to be funded”
Give it a listen. It’s embarrassing
I hope he heads up to Aberdeen this weekend to indulge in his usual asskissing of the orange bawbag,then gets battered by eggs, before hiding in a pub.
What a joke... Halfing the crime rate? What's he gonna do, magic up 100% more police?
Just de-fund a load more stuff, there'll be no-one to respond to crimes and no-one to log it all, so it all goes un-recorded, hey presto, half the crime. Fool proof.
Watched an interesting short from 'a different bias'
In it a chap was saying that farage keeps spouting off in the media about how channel crossing migrants automatically receive a free home(not true) free money(partly true, though its a small amount)
So in reality, anyone doing that dangerous crossing could have been spurred on by farages 'claims'
I would like to see a scenario or a reporter team at the French side camp, speaking to a migrant/s where he holds up a newspaper or picture of farage and tells the audience that this guy(farage) is promising them free home/money when they land in Britain, and this is the reason they are attempting the crossing.
Then one of the tv media runs it as a story, blaming farage and implying that he himself is partly responsible for attracting people to come to Britain.
It would be very hard for him to argue against. Though he would try and probably look even more stupid for doing so.
Just de-fund a load more stuff, there'll be no-one to respond to crimes and no-one to log it all, so it all goes un-recorded, hey presto, half the crime. Fool proof.
My first though was that the ONS Crime survey was clearly going to be decreed woke and a waste of money that could be spent on Tommy Robinsons mounting legal costs.
@dynamite Suella Braverman and the Tories had the same problem with their Rwanda fiasco.
On the one hand they dealt with any criticism by emphasising that Rwanda would be practically paradise for refugees and how they would be treated with humanity and dignity
And on the other hand they also emphasised that it would be so awful to be sent to Rwanda that those seeking asylum would be put off making the dangerous journey to the UK in the first place.
What a joke... Halfing the crime rate? What's he gonna do, magic up 100% more police? Never mind how long it will take, how's it funded?
A good summary of Nige’s fantasyland ‘I Am The Law’ speech…
I love this line, brilliant :
Sarah is almost in tears as she goes on to say that most Afghan migrants are potential sex offenders. How she yearns for the days when you could rely on all rapists to be white.
Mind you I also liked the last couple of sentences in the article :
Hillier ends by asking what has been his highlight of his first year in office. “Easy,” says Starmer: walking into Downing Street for the first time. Which rather suggests it has all been downhill from there.
Tougher standard of police officer on the streets.
Looks like he wants to go all ‘Judge Dredd’ and have the police strike fear into the evil hearts of all criminals.
Just heard Farage on the radio calling for tougher police, looks like Judge Dredd's time has come at last.
Police officers should now apparently not just be male (and white, obviously) but also ‘burly’
Sarah Pochin was bemoaning the ‘recent’ dumping of height restrictions for police officers and then had it pointed out to her that this happened in the early 1970’s
They really do see the world through sepia-tinted glasses
Burly Bobbie’s on the beat, empire, jumpers for goalposts….
Sarah Pochin
Brainless, hatchet-faced islamophobe.
Can we also go back to having intelligent politicians that don't dumb everything down to innocuous (or not) soundbites with blatant replacement of fact with fiction?
Can we also go back to having intelligent politicians that don't dumb everything down to innocuous (or not) soundbites with blatant replacement of fact with fiction?
The problem is soundbites sell -
"I'll cut crime by half!" is a much easier sell then a wordy nuanced plan with explanation of where the funding is coming from, to increase police or improve the log-jam in the courts and jails etc. Will it be tax raises? will the money be pulled from other government spending such as education, social care or NHS?
These are all thorny, complex questions that require real plans and complex answers.
Stop the boats!!!!1111one
Can we also go back to having intelligent politicians that don't dumb everything down to innocuous (or not) soundbites with blatant replacement of fact with fiction?
Of course, that's easily done. But if they tell people that solutions are long, slow, complicated things, that might see them slightly worse off in the pocket to live in a society that makes them feel much better off... well...
Farage pledges elite force of hefty, red-faced men
The problem is soundbites sell -
Labour won the last general election on nothing more than sound bites which is the principle reason why support for Labour has collapsed to a previously never before seen level for a party in its first year of government.
Voters didn't know what they were voting for last July beyond the sound bites offered to them and once they discovered that there was no actual substance behind the sound bites they quickly lost confidence in Labour.
These were the five sound bites which won Labour the 2024 general election:
1) Kickstart economic growth
2) Make Britain a clean energy superpower
3) Take back our streets
4) Break down barriers to opportunity
5) Build an NHS fit for the future
Can we also go back to having intelligent politicians that don't dumb everything down
No. We can't.
Social Media has 'gamified' and commoditised our politics. X/Twitter, FB, Threads TicTok are essential a casino, and Civic debate from commentators, politicians, journalists, member of the public is now playing directly to our minds in the same way. The game is maximizing re-tweets and likes, nothing else is nearly as powerful. It's why those folks up there have no idea what Frarage really stands for, and t's changing the way the people both talk to each and behave in real life.
Can we also go back to having intelligent politicians that don't dumb everything down to innocuous (or not) soundbites with blatant replacement of fact with fiction?
Why would you when a majority can be won over with simplistic shite like "Take Back Control"?
Politics reflects the electorate it is its job to appeal to.
The problem is soundbites sell -
Labour won the last general election on nothing more than sound bites which is the principle reason why support for Labour has collapsed to a previously never before seen level for a party in its first year of government.
Voters didn't know what they were voting for last July beyond the sound bites offered to them and once they discovered that there was no actual substance behind the sound bites they quickly lost confidence in Labour.
These were the five sound bites which won Labour the 2024 general election:
1) Kickstart economic growth
2) Make Britain a clean energy superpower
3) Take back our streets
4) Break down barriers to opportunity
5) Build an NHS fit for the future
I'd argue Labour won mostly because they are not the tories, or further right leaning than the tories, and reform took a lot of tory votes too -although I'm not naive enough to think soundbites didn't play thier part.
I'd argue Labour won mostly because they are not the tories,
But isn't that now also Reform UK's main appeal?
Reform UK's support appears to be drawn primarily from disaffected Tory voters who have been attracted by Nigel Farage's empty sound bites.
I am happy to concede that Sir Keir Starmer only improved on Jeremy Corbyn's worse general election result by just 2% but he too did exactly the same thing as Nigel Farage is currently doing and tried to woo disaffected Tory voters with easy sound bites.
Why do we have to keep wooing Tory voters, why can't people work to attract new voters?
There's about 27million votes out there waiting if they can be engaged.
https://electoral-reform.org.uk/this-years-general-election-left-millions-of-voices-unheard/
Why do we have to keep wooing Tory voters, why can't people work to attract new voters?
Very much this. A party that offers a vision of a better future for society resulting in a better future for the individuals in that society should be filling the void, but they either aren't there, or are not getting the airplay that the current bellends are getting.
Why do we have to keep wooing Tory voters, why can't people work to attract new voters?
Because it is much easier to say to voters that you completely agree with them than to try to engage with people who feel disconnected from politics.
Especially when you lack any genuine convictions yourself.
The proof is in your link...... historically low voter turnout, huge landslide victory for Labour.
I totally agree with the sentiments behind your comment though.
The conspriacy theorist in me says that making voter registration difficult for poor people in precarious situations is the real reason for popular (gutter) press objections to a free national identity card. When moving to France I was delighted to find how easy it made formalities, that was decades ago. Now there's France Connect things are a step easier again. I wanted to sign the petition on the pesticide law so logged onto France Connect and it was done in seconds (anyone legally resident in France can sign the petition should any STW French residents want to).
https://petitions.assemblee-nationale.fr/initiatives/i-3014
Why do we have to keep wooing Tory voters, why can't people work to attract new voters?
An important piece of the puzzle, is not energising people to come and vote to "stop you". Depressingly, one of the strongest motivations to vote is to "stop" someone you see as dangerous. At previous elections, people have turned out in numbers to stop Labour from winning. Many of those historically voted for a Conservative MP to keep a Labour party they saw as dangerous out of office. At the last election, while many people turned out to stop the Tories from winning, plenty of others stayed at home rather than turn out to stop Labour.
One hope is that at the next election people turn out to stop Farage winning. Will they? I currently doubt it. But similar things have happened a lot in Europe in recent years. Who knows...?
No one I have ever voted for has ever been elected (Tory heartland) it really isn't worth me bothering - millions of others obviously don't bother & who can blame them when their effort is basically a waste of their time. At least with PR every vote would in someway count.
I think the work that has to be done is to actually get some ‘likeable’ politicians to the forefront.
As opposed to just sitting it out knowing that the next leader will be someone who isn’t Tory or Labour it’s allowing the politicians to be lazy.
Behind the scenes you can guarantee that reform are working hard on the social media or some one else is happily doing it for them, with the steady drip drip of how lawless the U.K. is. amongst the cat videos.
Dickyboy. We have only ever had a Tory mp……..until last year. I joined a party ,became a volunteer and we now have a Lib Dem mp.
Dont give up ,get active.
Behind the scenes you can guarantee that reform are working hard on the social media or some one else is happily doing it for them, with the steady drip drip of how lawless the U.K. is. amongst the cat videos.
With people in the USA government repeating that line for them as well. Social media is mostly American, after all, and over the next few years, it’s only going one way.
At least with PR every vote would in someway count
Which is why we don’t have it, same old same old in charge 🙂
If reform did get in regardless of how shambolic their reign was if they were to switch to PR then there would be change and they were offering a rererendem on that.
Reform could actually be inadvertently a one hit wonder party that really does change everything before they disappear, although your human rights may be gone and anyone can say anything until they get a friendly beating by a burly new style street judge.
PR will change nothing with the current political financing rules, we will still only get to vote on the choices the backers of political parties allow. There are many countries, including in Europe, with PR that are still experiencing the same unrepresentative political problems as the UK, and it is the power of wealth that is the bigger problem in them all. PR is a good thing to have once that bigger issue is resolved, without removing the distorting effect of money then changing to PR will just be a façade of change to fool the masses.
Dickyboy. We have only ever had a Tory mp……..until last year. I joined a party ,became a volunteer and we now have a Lib Dem mp.
Dont give up ,get active.
The problem is that ever since the LibDems enabled a Tory government, and enthusiastically supported austerity as a solution, they are generally no longer seen as a credible alternative to the Tories and Labour by voters like they once were.
The fact that the LibDems increased their number of MPs from 11 to 72 in last year's general election, despite receiving very slightly less votes than they received in 2019, is simply a reflection of the weird anomalies which can occur under first-past-the-post, not an increase in support.
Ernie,I'm more worried about the future than the past.
Totally agree that we need PR or we will be stuck with ConForm for the next 20 years.
The lack of credibility that mainstream politicians have in the eyes of voters is directly connected to the past.
And it is precisely what Nigel Farage is exploiting.
PR may "change nothing" but at the very least it will make my & many millions more peoples vote count even if it is some small way.
I agree with Zippy, libdems made a serious error 15yrs ago but they align with my hopes more than any other party at present, especially locally.
So probably not a potential Nigel Farage supporter then!
The apparent meteoric rise in support for Reform UK is an interesting phenomena, discussing the root causes of this upending of UK politics would also be interesting.
The problem is that ever since the LibDems enabled a Tory government, and enthusiastically supported austerity as a solution, they are generally no longer seen as a credible alternative to the Tories and Labour by voters like they once were.
The fact that the LibDems increased their number of MPs from 11 to 72 in last year's general election, despite receiving very slightly less votes than they received in 2019, is simply a reflection of the weird anomalies which can occur under first-past-the-post, not an increase in support.
Isn't it amazing that people can have such long standing beefs at the Lib Dems for that 4 years but are willing to let any other **** go!
So probably not a potential Nigel Farage supporter then!
Nope, despite the company I work for having ukip in to give a talk to the workers prior to the referendum, I have not been swayed 🤣