[Closed] Nick Clegg ...hes playing them now!

Hauge aint grinning now!

As a Labour man I would prefer it if we did not court another party for their affections,Brown should have stood down when the election result came in, looking as though he has been pushed now by Mandie and his cronies clinging on to a bit of power.

Best poker player in Westminster.

miliband for leader? the americans would love that. flipping mandi is heading the talks now, what a shark!

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How TF is Clegg able to be in a position of such political importance?

Just let the Tories into Downing street. They'll make a mess of things, we'll have another election in a few months time, and we can get rid of them and get back to normal.

How TF is Clegg able to be in a position of such political importance?

You think this is bad? Wait until/if we get some sort of PR. Before you know it, major political parties will have to cosy up to extremist loons to form a government.

Either way, the person/party coming third should not hold so much sway. Nor should a multiply disgraced, unelected conman.

I'm a Labour voter through & through, i would class myself as a socialist even.
Labour lost the election, although the Tories didn't convince the electorate either Labour need to stand down with dignity. Let the Tories form a minority Govt. & watch them squirm as they fail to get anything done before being dragged to the polls again.

The LibDems need to be very careful they don't sell themselves for 30 pieces of silver...

25% of voters voted Lib Dem hardly a couple of people is it??

minority government with the shit hitting the fan in Europe? sure id love to see cam and his muppets making a mess. but george osbourne during financial crisis? no ta

Muddy, a valid point there. Sadly, it is not "real" Labour people who get to decide, but Mandelson and Balls et al.

HTF is mandy still around, he hasn't even been elected and they had to make him a life peer so he could serve in govt FFS. Time for the lot of them to go back under the rock they crawled out from and let someone else **** it all up for a few years.

Before you know it, major political parties will have to cosy up to extremist loons to form a government.

Well I understood that any party would need to get at least 5 % of the vote in order to have a voice in Parliament. Such a rule would exclude the real nutters.

Nor should a multiply disgraced, unelected conman.

So you don't want CallMeDave as PM after all?

Make your mind up Flashy... 🙄

maybe this new style of politics will be for the better, there is no way blair would have been able to be so flippent with our liberties and passed so much bloat-law without such a big majority.

I thought the political mood of the country was best summed up by the slighly mad laughter of the audience on HIGNFY...

We iz fuked, tru dat.

Just what we need. Labour clinging on for their themselves but trying to paint a scene of martydom/only hanging around to help the voter.

Even with Lb-Dems on board LABOUR ARE TOO SHORT OF THE REQUIRED VOTES. This bit rankles with me. Its 'if' along with 'oh and maybe we can convince others later on'. All at the expensive of our economy. An obstinate gamble.

The voting public will become tired of this soon. I hope Labour suceeds though. In 18months time they will be enjoying two decades of opposite again.

Remember the last time they tried this.

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straight PR will never happen in the UK - one simple reason, the BNP - no party is willing to countenance being responsible for The Nazis having more seats than the SNP, the greens, Plaid Cymru, DUP or SLDP - Fifth biggest party, over half a million votes!

Cleggy's trying to play the estate agent game - unfortunately for him the "other offer" is a lot weaker than the one put on the table by Cameron.

LABOUR ARE TOO SHORT OF THE REQUIRED VOTES.

Ummm...I think that happened all three main parties. But don't let facts stand in the way of your prejudices hora. The plain fact is that the British are going into some kind of inane spiral of hand-wringing because there may be a coalition...while the rest of Europe looks on with amusement.

What Talkemada said.

And : [b][i]"25% of voters voted Lib Dem hardly a couple of people is it?? "[/i][/b]

23 % actually. Which is about the same as they got 5 years ago. And they came third. And they got almost 2 million votes less than Labour.

Although you could be forgiven for not realising that. As Clegg appears to believe that whatever political complexion the next government is, it must involve him.

The last time we had a hung Parliament was early mid 70s n'est pas? The 70's was hardly a period of Political/Social and financial stability was it? Really needs to be sorted well and not necessarily quickly.

I was disappointed that Lib Dems spoke to the Cons first as NC said that he WOULDN'T form a coalition with them at any cost and only Labour if GB went. I suppose you could blame GB for not going straight away (or at least announcing the stand down) for Lib Dems not doing what they said. And in some ways you can understand them talking to the player holding the most cards. I was just disappointed to see him appear not to stick to his stated convictions straight off the bat. But he's a politician isn't he. And to be fair who knows what is going on behind closed doors?

IMO Clegg and the party really need to man up. They do appear to hold the big card. I would really like to see a Lab/Lib Dem coalition. I do think that they could actually do some good. Even though I am disillusioned with Labour I'd hate to see the Cons in power especially with that smug Blair II at the controls. Having said that though having Mandy pulling the strings is in no ones interest.

As for PR, I'm sure that there must be some way for a semi PR system to be created to eliminate/minimise the influence of the lunatic fringe. Maybe a pre-election voting system to set up the parties who would be able to go forward to the General Election.

mmm...I think that happened all three main parties. But don't let facts stand in the way of your prejudices hora

I think you miss his point: Labour plus Lib-Dem still does not command a majority in the house, to get that they need to "buy in" the SNP, Plain & AN other on every major decision, from who leads the party through to the budget (and tell me that Salmond wont demand a high price for his support) blackmail on every bill, political paralysis, no certainty - like herding cats for the entire life of the parliament.

Lib-Dems cannot afford another Election anytime soon, in fact theres only one party that can!

Maybe Cleggie thinks he can do a Lloyd George and become PM despite being leader of the smaller party in the coalition!

Why did Brown have to stand down? IMO He's steered Britain through the last few years of financial trouble as well as anyone could and certainly better than many people could have done.

People complain that he wasn't "voted in by the public" and became PM by default after TB. Doesn't that mean that whomever replaces him now will be in the same situation? They weren't "the leader of the party that people voted for"?

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Why did Brown have to stand down?

Mandelson told him to.

in all this shit I'm still amazed that Brown is the guy getting blamed by some, well Hora. Its the Tories not wanting to bend and the lib dems going for their own agenda that is leading the country into the mire. Brown has done almost nothing, other than wtach the Libs and Tories not agree and put another option in place.

ps this is very very funny

To come kicking and screaming back to the original topic, I found this tweet rather amusing (sorry I forget source):

[i]At this rate Clegg'll get PR, no Trident, £750 cashback and promise Balls will wear mankini. >Plus Chequers every other weekend[/i]

I think you miss his point

Nah....I don't Zulu. My point is more about the fear of coalition governments (largely driven by those who financially back the party who despite large scale disillusionment with New Labour/Brown, the failure of the Liberal Democrats bounce, still couldn't deliver a Tory majority). No wonder the likes of that cock Adam Boulton is frothing at the mouth. It's going to be a difficult few weeks while Cameron answers some awkward questions from his paymasters.

no friends in politics. mandi must be loving it!

Personally if I were Dave et al, I'd be letting the Labour/ Lib Dem lot have it. Let them cock it right up and force an election in 6 months. In fact lets have another now. Save us this circus. Either way the country is in for a rocky ride.

the first time I saw it I thought Boulton was some no mark Tory they had dragged up, to find out he works for sky was even funnier!!

[i]while Cameron answers some awkward questions from his paymasters.[/i]

Ashcroft's obvious out-of-pocket disappointment is one of the great joys of this election.

CaptainFlashheart:

Mandelson told him to.

...a senior source within the Labour Party told CFH.

CFH and a Labour senior sauce? Together?

Sly floor-crossing dog.

Mandy is a dark lord indeed. You look at him and think "that guy would have no qualms about having me killed if it helped him". I bet he keeps black books on everyone.

A good read on the current situation and likely outcomes which I thought quite credible.

http://www.stephenfry.com/2010/05/09/stalemate-pr-and-pr-ice-cream-bananas-and-fudge/

CFH and a Labour senior sauce?

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(From the Stephen Fry page)

[i]Within three months I imagine that any Lib Dem/Labour/Others coalition will fall, a General Election will be called, the Lib Dem vote will be decimated, the Conservatives brought to full power and Electoral /Constitutional Reform will be nothing but a wistful memory as those of us with distaste for conservatism hunker down for the duration. Demos, riots, overturned cars in the streets, many more homeless, infrastructure decay, a rise in crimes against the person and property, a happy time perhaps for the City and the secure middle classes, a dreadful time for the vulnerable, the disabled, the physically and mentally ill, the homeless and the poor. I remember the main feeling induced by living under Thatcher was shame. It was shaming to live in a country that could be so proudly, gloatingly unkind, so vulgar, shabby and ungracious in its attitudes to the outsider, the weak and the destitute. Goodness knows the Labour administration has been very, very far from perfect, but I think we will only appreciate the unheralded and uncelebrated good it did when the props it built up for the poor, the disabled and the disadvantaged have been kicked away.[/i]

[i]ps this is very very funny

That IS funny. Rupert Murdoch's "Sky News" is certainly [i]not[/i] unbiased but we all know that already.

ToryBoy Boulton was also bollocked for his bias questioning of Nick Clegg, in contravention of the pre-established rules, during the Leader's debate.

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it could just be that both the Tories & Labour are trying to avoid being the next government - & who can blame them?

They could just be faking the interest in doing a deal - no, they really could 😉

You think this is bad? Wait until/if we get some sort of PR. Before you know it, major political parties will have to cosy up to extremist loons to form a government.

how come PR works just fine on mainland europe?

how come PR works just fine on mainland europe?

Doesn't work that well here in Spain.

what are the problems with PR in Spain mogrim?

If you listen carefully you can hear the right-wing wolves baying for Cameron's blood. He knows his neck is on the line and will do a deal at almost any cost.
Clegg also has to play it carefully with his MPs and grass roots (many who voted tactically anti-Tory), or we could have three new party leaders and a new election before the year is out.

Demos, riots, overturned cars in the streets, many more homeless, infrastructure decay, a rise in crimes against the person and property, a happy time perhaps for the City and the secure middle classes, a dreadful time for the vulnerable, the disabled, the physically and mentally ill, the homeless and the poor.

I'm amazed how popular this narrative is (hell, I'm impressed by how skilled Labour are at using narrative in general - the time spent studying postmodernism obviously paid off), that as soon as the Tories get in, they start spitting on plebs and create a virtual civil war, whilst under Labour, everything is hunky dory.

We've seen the police killing and beating people at demonstrations, our economy implode, a huge rise in crimes against the person (mainly because people carry more high value items, and cars are more difficult to steal) which hasn't been dealt with, local councils spying on people, and a huge amount of racial / religious tension whipped up by overblown claims about the threat of terrorism.

But of course, the Tories are the nasty party and Labour are lovely.

a huge rise in crimes against the person (mainly because people carry more high value items, and cars are more difficult to steal) which hasn't been dealt with

Labour are lovely.

But of course, the Tories are the nasty party