[Closed] New Old Terminator film featuring New Old Arnie

Thought it looks pretty pants tbh, expecting it to be better than 3, but then I could've made a better one than that.

Pants??? Whaaa..?

It's got multi-Arnies, bendy Terminator, dystopian future, bad ass Connor, a somersaulting school bus, Arnie skydiving into a helicopter and much exploshunz.

Pass the popcorn!

Nah they've messed up the first film, sacrelige!

IMO theyve been doing it since T2's pop culture driven, blockbuster silliness replaced the cold nihilistic brutality of the original

Doesn't look promising IMO

Pffffttt... you're all wrong. 😀

All it needs is a cameo from Summer Glau

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They've all gone down hill since the first one

[url= http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a613254/2001-a-space-odyssey-voted-greatest-sci-fi-movie-of-all-time.html ]DigitalSpy readers voted Terminator 2 the 10th greatest sci-fi movie of all time.[/url]

The original Terminator didn't feature in the list.

Inception did though.

😯

In order T2 (easily the best), T1, T3 - the sound of music is a more exciting sci fi movie than T3. Not optimistic about this new one either.

That's not what happens when a car hits a bus.

only Terminator 3 was really bad, all the others were good I think.
but having seen Arnie's cameos in the Expendables, I hope he's not in the new one too much, or at least he should revert to his non-speaking role in T1.
The T-1000 is back and that's the most evil of the Ts so that's promising. And Dr Who is in it, Matt Smith.
(not watched the trailer by the way)

And Sarah Connor is the mother of dragons. So that'll be handy.

I watched T2 the other night.

Its bloody brilliant.

Most of the stunts are just that, stunts. No CGI trickery, they really did smash a motorbike through a window aimed at a helicopter and launch a sodding great truck into a drainage canal.

Its got a nice aesthetic too, very cold lots of blue tones, lots of contrast between light and dark.

The Arnie as surrogate father plot line and Sarah Connor being ridiculously po-faced (although Linda Hamilton was married to James Cameron at the time so you can't really blame her for not smiling) are its only flaws.

The new one looks like a laugh, but it will probably be shite like the last two

So they're going to spend half the film explaining why the first three films never happened?

Arnies only good when he's got a good director behind him, otherwise he's just playing himself.

T3 was much better though than that frikin christian bale effort!!!!!!!!!!!

So they're going to spend half the film explaining why the first three films never happened?

Don't think they need to. It's just "alternate timeline" aka Timey Wimey Stuff ™

From the looks of the trailer they acknowledge that T1 and T2 happened but in a different timestream.

I'll be watching.

Could be an interesting summer with the new Mad Max film out too.

The new Terminator film looks gash. Just like every other recent remake. The Terminator was a slick, taught sci-fi thriller. T2 was a bit bloated, but very enjoyable all the same. T3 was just tripe, and Salvation was a confused mess.

This almost looks like a parody of a Terminator film as directed by Michael Bay.

T3 was much better though than that frikin christian bale effort!!!!!!!!!!!

I try to pretend that T3 - aka The 'Funny' Terminator - never happened.
At least T4 showed something new and different....... and had Bale's infamous melt-down

Mad Max reboot looks good.

Needs more Tina Turner though.

T2 is a watershed for modern cinema for me.

It marked the beginning of "Character development? Blow some shit up!! More CGI!! Hey, I've got this guy called Michael Bay on the line..."

Riot Grrrl.

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^^ Steven Tyler from Aerosmith ^^

So old Arnie is in the past already waiting to save people from young Arnie who has been sent back from the future?

And slightly less old Arnie made an appearance in T3.

And a more middle aged Arnie made an appearance in T2.

Surely at this rate, by T10 the modern day will be populated solely by Arnies of varying ages. Surely meaning the machines have won by default.

So old Arnie is in the past already waiting to save people from young Arnie who has been sent back from the future?

He's only old on the outside. Living tissue over a metal endoskeleton, see?
That Arnie has been there a while, so the living tissue has aged like everyone elses.

The trailer for Mad Max looks good, mainly due to the soundtrack of guns and engines. But i suspect the film will be the usual mix of guns cars and explosions with a big punch up at the end.

Ditto the Terminator, except with the addition of some time-travel paradox mumbo jumbo that doesn't make any sense (does it ever??).

GrahamS

He's only old on the outside. Living tissue over a metal endoskeleton, see?
That Arnie has been there a while, so the living tissue has aged like everyone elses.

Why does he feel the need to shave? He's a Terminator. Or can Terminators not grow beards?

I guess when you are an unstoppable killing machine from the future you don't need facial hair to feel manly? 😉

Huge fanbouy here, I'll wait with baited breath. 8)

GrahamS

I guess when you are an unstoppable killing machine from the future you don't need facial hair to feel manly?

But when you're an unstoppable killing machine why are you concerned about your facial hair at all?

Livine dissue over a medal endoskelagton

Fixinator

That trailer confuses the hell out of me (no sound in work so that probably doesn't help). What the heck is meant to be going on? Is it set in the 1984 like the original? Why are the police cars not from that era if it is? Where did all Arnies come from? Weren't the old ones all destroyed? Why send back the T1000 when they have a newer version?

I have to go see it to try and make sense of this.

Why are the police cars not from that era if it is?

Alternate timeline.

Where did all Arnies come from?

Alternate timeline.

Weren't the old ones all destroyed?

In an alternate timeline.

Why send back the T1000 when they have a newer version?

[s]The new one was crap.[/s] Alternate timeline. 😀

Alternative timeline my arse!!!

The [s]future[/s] script has not been written. There is no [s]fate[/s] script but what we make for ourselves.

But when you're an unstoppable killing machine why are you concerned about your facial hair at all?

Artificial intelligence innit! he/it's artificially intelligent enough to know that he/it doesn't want to look like anyone off here!

*shudders* T5 - Arnie comes back in time to ride his fixie full-sus fat bike with drop bars and crap cable routing and he WILL. NOT. STOP. riding the red route!

But when you're an unstoppable killing machine why are you concerned about your facial hair at all?

"All right, listen. The Terminator's an infiltration unit: part man, part machine. Underneath, it's a hyper-alloy combat chassis, microprocessor-controlled. Fully armored; very tough. But outside, it's living human tissue: flesh, skin, hair, blood - grown for the cyborgs. "

Infiltration is part of his basic programming. He has skin to help him blend in. He wouldn't blend in with a ZZ Top beard.

Or "funny" glasses.

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But when you're an unstoppable killing machine why are you concerned about your facial hair at all?

The T-800 is an infiltration unit. Unless he's planning on infiltrating a hobo camp or an army of Father Christmases he should probably make an effort to look inconspicuous (which is tricky in itself when you look like Arnie).

EDIT: simultaneous post, what he said. ^^

Ah I see. Infiltration unit. So, I presume at some point he must infiltrate a biker gang, since he's still dressed in leathers. His superior artificial intelligence and infiltration skills have deemed that he'll look inconspicous as a 67 year old, clean shaven biker. Yes, that completely stands up to scrutiny.

Or rather, the film makers didn't even have the wit or bravery to contemplate changing how the Terminator might look if it "aged". God it looks bad.

he's still dressed in leathers. His superior artificial intelligence and infiltration skills have deemed that he'll look inconspicous as a 67 year old, clean shaven biker.

In the young Arnie interception scene he's just wearing a hoodie and a leather jacket. That's what I regularly wear as a nearly 40 year old. 😀

In the helicopter scene he has grey hair, wrinkles and just has a black canvas jacket on.

[quote=jimjam ] he'll look inconspicous as a 67 year old, clean shaven biker. Yes, that completely stands up to scrutiny. Did they shoot it Aviemore when "Thunder in the Glens" is on?

GrahamS
In the young Arnie interception scene he's just wearing a hoodie and a leather jacket. That's what I regularly wear as a nearly 40 year old.

In the helicopter scene he has grey hair, wrinkles and just has a black canvas jacket on.

Oh I take it back then he blends in well. Although I can't understand why, if he's expecting another terminator he brings a sawn off shotgun, and not say, a grenade launcher. Or if Sarah Conor is expecting a T1000 she shows up with a hand gun, instead of, say a grenade launcher.

Personally I'm a bigger fan of the first film than any of the others, T2 was good, but the first one felt a bit darker, grimmer and because it had fewer effects (and those it had were a bit more lo-fi) somehow built a bit more suspense before the robot scrapping started. T2 just had more budget and more fuss/hype was made of it, a good, but not great film by comparison (it was a sequel after all), disregarding anything after T2 is the best bet IMO. Although the Sarah Connor chronicles series had some interesting ideas which they could yet pillage I reckon...

What they're pulling, of course, is an [i]"Abrams Reboot"[/i] innit, same trick as Star trek: use the same characters in pretty much the same setting, plus a bit of time-friggery, so you can reboot the franchise but take it in a marginally different direction, it would be clever, if it hadn't already been done with another sci-fi franchise within the last decade.

Even though they've knicked it, it's an interesting idea, and a bit of a role reversal as Reese goes from being the main protagonists "Saviour" in the original, to being the one who's utterly confused, stuck in at the deep end and dragged along for a bit of a ride, biggest question has to be of course, does John Connor actually get conceived in the revised timeline, and of course if he doesn't, can the whole self-fulfilling, time travelling, psychotic supercomputer driven shitstorm ever happen, time to dust off Paradox'o'meter I reckon...

And old Terminator? there's a hundred reasonable explanations or plot devices they can use to deal with a gun toting pensioner cycborg, But I think it's a fundamental flaw that the franchise has become so caught up with having the same actor back each time to play yet another variation on the same character, better to write Arnie out and do it a different way IMO...

Christ knows how Matt Smith fits in but I'm half expecting to cringe when his rubber face does appear on screen, what would be worst is if they've made him put on a yank accent, it might work if they've invented a new terminator that infiltrates by the means of ridiculous, mincey, over-acting perhaps?

But I'm pretty much 50/50 on the whole thing, it could be utter shite, it could be a reasonable stab at reclaiming and extending the franchise, best to reserve judgement IMO...

if he's expecting another terminator he brings a sawn off shotgun, and not say, a grenade launcher

That sort of depends what's loaded in the shotgun doesn't it?

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if Sarah Conor is expecting a T1000 she shows up with a hand gun, instead of, say a grenade launcher.

From memory she'd ideally want a lorry full of liquid nitrogen closely followed by an industrial smelter.

But I imagine that's much harder to get parked.

Personally I'd have thought some kind of NNEMP weapon would be the way forward, but maybe Cyberdyne were really good at designing EM shielding.
(Also there would be no exploshunz)

The reality is none of the weapons make sense. If sentient computers wanted to kill all of humanity they wouldn't fanny about with humanoid cyborgs. They'd use biological weapons, radiation, sarin, and if they [i]had[/i] to get personal, invisible unstoppable clouds of microscopic nanobots.

But that'd be a crap film.

But I imagine that's much harder to get parked.

Lolz!

Well I'm kinda excited, I enjoy the mind **** that is time travel. Put some mindless violence in there and everyone's a winner. Can't be as bad as the latest Transformers surely??

GrahamS

That sort of depends what's loaded in the shotgun doesn't it?

So she has weapons from the future too? Ah sod it. Who knows or cares. It'll be terrible, I can tell you that without a time machine.

monkeyfudger Can't be as bad as the latest Transformers surely??

That would be setting the bar unbelievably low though wouldn't it?

ut some mindless violence in there and everyone's a winner

So she has weapons from the future too?

She has a Terminator from the future. Maybe he knows about weapons and stuff?

Also, alternate timeline.

From memory, you can't take anything with you. Hence, everyone being butt-nekkid........ but then in an alternate timeline maybe you can conceal things inside you.......

He couldn't bring weapons with him, but he did bring his memory containing everything you could possibly want to know about weapons and killing things.

So maybe at some point during the years he was sat about waiting for young Arnie he said: [i]"By the way Sarah, if we took a trip to a decent gunsmiths I'm pretty sure I could knock up some nice little high explosive armour piercing rounds that'll fit in a 12 gauge"[/i]

[i]"Or maybe I could do one of those phased plasma rifles. Is there a Maplin near here?"[/i]

[quote=GrahamS ]"Or maybe I could do one of those phased plasma rifles. Is there a Maplin near here?"It worked for Station in Bill & Ted

But it'll just be a shotgun.

Maybe they should have taken it in a different direction altogether:

Ah well if we're going to start overthinking Arnie films, here's as good a place as any to post this:

http://www.overthinkingit.com/2009/05/14/i-will-always-have-been-back-toward-a-grand-unified-theory-of-schwarzenegger/

Aaaaaaaah! 😀

I'll just leave this here....

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Latest trailer. Still not convinced.

The bus flip is killing me

For me it's the bus flip, helicopter drive and the car step thing just like Bruce Willis in Red. And other things,

Two simple truths
1 T5 is likely to be crap
2 Gordimhor is going to watch it.