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A mac v pc argument, how quaint. It's a bloody computer, long as you can get the software you need and runs fast and stable the OS is irrelevant. It's not 1995 anymore, they are both good and usable and as capable as each other.
All you are arguing about here is brand loyalty, and coming up with spurious reasons to support your choice.
Apple are way behind the likes of Google and others when it comes to this kind of stuff
Well this is a good point. Google, Amazon &co started out with the modern business model where services and data are key. They know about you and what you like to buy, so they help other people sell to you - but that's only the start of course.
Simply selling devices is getting harder and harder. Apple gained a big boost by revolutionising the user interface, but everyone else is catching up and they need to change. Microsoft realised this a few years ago (which is why W10 is the last new version and there are no more paid upgrades), but they also have a services business to draw on.
Apple haven't got much except for devices, have they? (honest question, I don't know - do they use the data that Siri gets them?)
They need something new and look like they are late coming up with it.
I think some people mistake simple process with user-friendly. I can very easily copy and paste some text into a Terminal command line on my Mac, but knowing how is secondary to understanding the what and the why.
The steps might be easy to follow, but knowing they're the right steps, understanding them and appreciating the damage you can cause if you cock it up is what makes it anything but user-friendly.
Apple haven't got much except for devices, have they?
iCloud, Apple Music, the App Store, I'd say they have a fair chunk. Their services revenue for Q3 was more than the iPad and more than Macs.
[EDIT] this is very telling actually. Apple can make a load more valuable recurring revenue from selling Joe Public more iCloud storage for all their selfies than they can selling a few thousand units of <insert niche piece of hardware here>
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All you are arguing about here is brand loyalty
Your not paying attention sweet pea.
surfer - Member
All you are arguing about here is brand loyalty
Your not paying attention sweet pea.
Not really, I just look down on people that given themselves the crutch of being OS dependent! 😆
Yawn
😆 I just don't understand it. The point of a computer and an OS is to get out of the way and allow you customise and run yhe software that you need to get what ever job done.
In OS land there is no better these days, just different(And they are small) and the ability to run software.
I just don't understand it
I know
surfer - Member
I just don't understand it
I know
Explain why one is better than the other then?
No. Its not my fault you dont understand, just dont claim your lack of understanding is somehow a virtue
I understand perfectly fine, I sit with a mac and a pc infront of me most days, have done for 20 years. So I'm well fimiliar with both throughout many iterations of either OS..
Explain what you think I don't understand?
Apple gained a big boost by revolutionising the user interface,
when did they do this ? Still looks like Windows, Icons, Mice and Pointers to me, with a keyboard.
TurnerGuy - Member
Apple gained a big boost by revolutionising the user interface,
when did they do this ? Still looks like Windows, Icons, Mice and Pointers to me, with a keyboard.
technically it still looks like MacOS! 😆
Has anyone mentioned the fact that are quite good for watching cat videos on YouTube?
Apple gained a big boost by revolutionising the user interface,
when did they do this ?
Alright. They revolutionised the phone experience, and they refined the desktop one.
In OS land there is no better these days
Limited to the OS in isolation of any other devices I'd agree with you. macOS or Windows 10? 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
However for many people that's no longer the world we live in. The solutions for many IT problems - sharing and collaboration is the obvious example - come from outside the sphere of the OS. It has to, otherwise how does Bill on his PC work with Steve on his Mac? This is where Dropbox, Google Drive, Box and so many others have really succeeded where the OS-specific solutions like iCloud are failing (in my opinion etc etc)
when did they do this ? Still looks like Windows, Icons, Mice and Pointers to me, with a keyboard
Lol
Not sure iCloud and others are "failing"
I can access OneDrive from my PC, Phone and Mac.
iCloud from the same.
Calendars all cross happily, etc.
Documents are all in there in multiple formats - accessible by anyone who logs in, stored remotely so its always the latest version, etc.
hammy it's one thing to store docs that are accessible from "anywhere" and lots of services do that, but I'm talking about collaboration which means sharing and working on docs with others. Google Drive does this superbly and all that is required is a browser; the OS is irrelevant. I use Google Drive and Google Docs without trouble across Apple devices, Windows and Chromebooks. It's not just cloud storage. I'm reliably told Microsoft do this pretty well too, although I've not much experience.
Apple have only relatively recently launched their Collaboration (and even then it's still in beta) and it only works with their latest apps. So, for instance, if I create a Pages (their Word equivalent) doc and share it for others to work on with me, it will merrily send them a link in an email. If they're on the latest, greatest Mac they will be able to open it in Pages and all will be fine. However, share it with someone on a Windows PC and they will just be frustratedly clinking on links that do nowt (trust me I've tried).
Walled gardens are a great idea and have benefits as long as you're not trying to work productively with those outside your garden walls. Don't get me wrong, I love Apple stuff, but I'm not so much of a fanboi that I don't recognise when the competition does something a lot better.
Time was I would have enjoyed a good Mac/PC fanBoi War but the truth is both "ecosystems" have their positives and negatives and are both very good.
Back when I had student pretensions of being a [i]creative[/i] type I'd have loved a Mac, but like others I had to settle for running Photoshop, Illustrator, 3dsMAX, Dreamweaver, plus a couple of windows native CAD packages on plain old self-supported, budget "Wintel" hardware, it got me through a degree and then some.
Fast forward a few years and I'm one of those souless corporate types now, 80% of what I do really just requires the standard suite of MS packages, but I'm finding that the companies Office 365 subscription is allowing me to work more efficiently, and do so from our office or from client sites or home needing only a basic spec machine with a browser and a reasonable internet connection, I am very clearly the MS target market now, and google seem to be after a similar sort of segment, hardware isn't really the issue its what their cloud based apps and servers offer, hence MS have announced their 22% hike for all this online magic next year...
Mac users value the OS environment, but also the reliability that comes from more tightly controlled hardware as well as features more specifically useful to those working in creative-graphics, which of course places a premium on the hardware costs, and which deal in the sort of file sizes where cloud storage starts to become a liability rather than a bonus. hence the cost of their new MBP, so it's broadly in-line with MS pricing strategy in their now separate market...
I think I'm starting to like the idea of the Touch Bar. Context-aware function keys makes perfect sense, surely?
Context-aware function keys makes perfect sense, surely?
OK just imagine you had a row of those keys that did something different when you hit them based on what program you were using. Like f 4 in Excel or f5 in a browser.
How often do you look at the keyboard when your working?
I don't think I ever use f-keys at all, actually. :/
I never look at my keyboard, but only cos I have no reason to.
If there was something there worth looking at, I wouldn't mind.
I'd miss the escape key.
I think I'm about to be the only person in the world who signs up to buy one of the new ones.
I think I've just kind of got the point of the new Mac touch bar thing and I think it could be pretty useful.
Like an improved version of when you used to slide a new different bit of paper per program under the clear plastic bar on these:
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Exactly! Or this, from Ken Knowlton in 1973 (via Bill Buxton on the Twitter).
…and the thing I like best about Surface Studio is the full-size, wireless keyboard.
I think I'm about to be the only person in the world who signs up to buy one of the new ones.
Was curious to know if anyone in the 78 posters over 9 pages on here had actually ordered one?
Been waiting ages for the new MBP but now find myself procrastinating over the purchase. Feels more like a tooled up MacBook Air rather than a Pro machine. For me I can't see it being a desktop replacement, or even a worthwhile replacement for my old MBP. 16GB, which can't be upgraded, not that much for a pro machine. Same goes for the SSD, be good to be able to fit a second in there (I guess Apple would say there's thunderbolt drives or cloud storage.)
If there was something there worth looking at, I wouldn't mind.
I still think it'd be a pain. You have to take your eyes on the screen, refocus on the bar, figure out what's on it, press it, then refocus on the screen. Maybe not so bad on a laptop but if you have it liked to a big display, or are using an external keyboard, then it'll be a pain. Even if you know what's on there and roughly where the key is (like the f5), you still have to look at it as you can't feel out the key.
Just noticed that the smallest SSD in the MacBook is 256GB and that in the 13 "Pro it is 128GB.
In what twisted universe would this ever make sense?
I think that the deals available on Black Friday/Cyber Monday will be interesting. Will there be big discounts to shift unsold stock?
Just noticed that the smallest SSD in the MacBook is 256GB and that in the 13 "Pro it is 128GB.
Apple have decided that we should all be using Cloud storage.
Will there be big discounts to shift unsold stock?
Doubtful, I suspect that a lot of people were waiting for the new MBP - saw the spec and price and thought 'sod that' and bought a 2015 machine instead ..... like me!
Looks like prices dropped on the 4k and 5k LG thunderbolt displays on the Apple site. Quite tempted by a pair of 4k.
Probably the more important news
Dongle dilemma provokes Apple price cut - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37880723
Apple have been claiming the new MBP are their fastest selling ever
From the beeb article...
without a dongle (or a different cable, sold separately), you can’t connect Apple’s new smartphone to Apple’s new laptop.
That's brilliant!!!
As an aside Fridays pub conversation carried on from last week 2 of the long term mac users just got a pleasantl surprise when they installed win 10 other were impressed, one of them got so pissed off with his iPhone he came back with a Google pixel and can't believe how much he likes it and still no sign of deliveries from Apple for the other Mac boys who would normally upgrade.
I was thinking of changing mine but have instead decided to upgrade the HD to an SSD.
not macbook, but when Apple generate 104% of smartphone profit in the last quarter they must be doing something right.
I think i made the right decision by buying a 2015 Macbook this week. Does what i need and whilst i understand the bit about dropping ports i still have too many peripherals that need a cable.
On a Mac-related issue - I now feel officially OLD. I had not realised that there is a MacOS update beyond El Capitan, and on reading about it I don't see a single reason to upgrade.
Next stop - elasticated waist trousers.
+2 to the buying of a 2015 MacBook pro
After waiting for the announcement, I see nothing that I would benefit from on the new ones, and the lack of USB would be a hinderance, so we've gone for the 2 x 2015's
My 2015 MBP won't be getting upgraded. Happy to miss out on the adjustable f keys. Lack of esc. key would annoy me with several applications where it's mapped to be used a lot.
Perhaps a bit late to the party with this...