My wife needs a new car, we have a grand espace and 2 small kids.
She's used to all the extra space (7 seats) - so touran
She does want to downsize (only need 5 seats realistically) so fabia
I threw the passatt estate into the mix as a midway and it's a nicer place to sit to visit in-laws 300 mile round-trip once a month.
Will be used for a 30 mile dual carriageway commute + lugging kids and stuff with us when older. Looking between 12-17k
Help of stw knowledge - or are they all pretty good?
Fabia Estates look a bit, erm, 'special' IMHO.
Touran or Passat are good - depends whether you like the higher driving position of the Touran vs the Passat.
How long will you keep it? Do you plan kids+1?
Our Touran had great space (for three kids, not two) - but as they are all 'stretching' as the hit teens, the would struggle in most estates, and a Touran size thing is much, much better
For two kids, and space, look at a Superb (estate) - we looked and they were great value, huge and comfy, especially the petrol engined ones. - They are just not ideal for three on the back seat.
New Fabia Estate is a cracking piece of kit. Bigger than a focus estate inside.
I drove a 90 hp hatch and it was fantastic. If I were to get one of go for the slightly higher power with all the bells and whistles and it'd fit in your budget nicely.
We have had a fabia estate 1.9tdi for years now. Its been great but with one kid and a big dog we could use a bit more space. Fugly and the newer ones are even fuglier if that bothers you, doesnt me.
We used to look at VAG first, but after a troublesome Golf and appalling service from main dealer, Mrs made a switch to Mazda, based primarily on their reliability ratings. Now had a couple of Mazda 3's, which to date haven't missed a beat. Couple of friends have had 6 estates and really rated them as load luggers. Might be worth considering?
Volvo V70?
I was window shopping online today and they look good in a very un-driver way, the Volvo website even had something like this written on it "you may find yourself taking the long way home from work" so far, so car website "to take in more relaxing feelings" ah.
They even do a 1.6 diesel in a car the size of a bus, it does lots of mpg, but jeeezus, does it even move under its own steam?
Don't know about the others but I can recommend the Fabia.
I have a 2009 1.4tdi (estate). It's like a flipping TARDIS... it'll get a Banshee Prime in with the wheels on, but is a foot narrower than a Focus. The narrowness is great for me on the lanes, but I appreciate it might not suit you if you have to get kids and their kit in. Never let me down in over 107,000 miles and does 50-60 mpg (measured, not recorded) depending on how I drive it. Cheap insurance and £20pa RFL.
Also very good for a little 'un on a long drive. I did Torridon to Penzance a couple of months ago with only 1 break for fuel, and no aches and pains afterwards (and I'm a crumbly old codger).
It is ugly, mind, but you can't see that from the inside.
Had 2 passats, loved my 1st one, old style, hated the last one 2009 model. When changing that one I looked at the touran but was not impressed by what you got for the money so got a sportage instead and love it. Great value for money. Just had too many problems with last car that vw charged too much to sort imo. People go on about vw quality but I think its all hype these days. The fabia is a good shout but a bit smaller so depends on your needs.
B Max
How has this thread got so far without anyone saying Octavia Estate? I just don't recognise STW any more. 🙁
Would the cost of 'downsizing' from the Touran not be a lot. Many of the cars you mention are bigger size externally than the Touran, which is itself a Golf on steroids...?
As you kids grow, the legroom of the Touran is just brilliant.
We're just about to sell our Octavia estate. 61plate and only 35k. Save loads n spend it on bikes 🙂
Seriously though they are huge
Stick that Caddy Maxi Life in the mix.
More room than the lot, side sliding doors so a doddle with kids in the car park and swallows bikes whole
Check the reliability index, I seem to remember the Touran didn't come out too well.
www.reliabilityindex.com
If the Fabia estate is a serious contender (I suspect might be a bit small) have a look at a Roomsters. One of the best smaller cars I've looked at.
cant see your car from the outside......why does it matter if its ugly.
a cool looking car does not make you look cool.
Ill save a few thousand any day not to have a VW badge on - and ill pay good money not to have to deal with my local VW dealer 😀
roomster is nasty looking also but the high boot gives you lots more useful space over an estate for bikes.
Touran has 3 proper seats which some of the others don't and still the biggest boot. Presently vw are knocking off circa 35% from the out going model so may fit into your budget. Will have to be quick though and this deal may only apply if you take out finance but worth investigating
Maxi Life has a far bigger boot than the Touran and more leg room
The rears are all full adult sized seats
Does the Roomster have any more useable space than the Fabia Estate. Its just taller.
Its just taller.
well they didnt lift the boot floor so volumetric space is larger than the estate - as for that being useful- thats just a matter of packing.
Upside means- seats down , 2 bikes in without wheels off.... we all laughed when my mate got his when they were first released. we soon realised the error of our ways.
OP hard to know where to start as the Fabia/Octavia/Touran sized cars are the sweet spot for family vehicles and the choice is bewildering. Saw a new Fabia estate recently on display at the airport, larger than older models and not so bad looking. Whether you go for Touran vs Estate will be based on how much load carrying you need and seat flexibility (I loved a RAV4 we had, big on inside, small on outside and rear seats removed for load carrying, terrible on fuel mind). Toyota do their Verso range and the Avensis estate might be worth a look.
Toyota do their Verso range and the Avensis estate might be worth a look.
There's also an Auris Estate now, with wheels off I can get the bike in the boot without putting the seats down.
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The new Focus estate is a pretty car, and with Ford's engine lineup, it'd be my preference to a Fabia estate.
Are you a VAG man/family? No shame in it, I gravitate toward BMWs, but would take the Focus over a 1 Series.
How quickly things change, the budget has now been slashed to 10k!
Car shopping with kids isn't fun
Were looking into the Toyota too now.
Scamper is correct though the vw chap basically said you can get a new touran now for 17k which is a hell of a saving but we're not happy having such abig outgoing each month so now sh stuff
Thanks all you've been a big help
BillMC - Member
Check the reliability index, I seem to remember the Touran didn't come out too well.
5yrs, 75mls without any problems with a 2.0Tdi, 140. Never spared the horses and towed a caravan on a few trips for 2yrs. Recommend by me 😆
When We downsize from our Sorrento (caravan towing machine) we will be considering another Touran, Roomster or Yeti by Skoda. MrsT likes a high driving position and we have 4 grand kids to haul around regularly 💡
There are some bargains to be had on the Touran at the moment ahead of the new launch . Get on Carwow, 17k just about gets you a brand new one.
Test drive the Toyota fully loaded with passengers before buying one.
The ones we've tried were wobbly and horrible when loaded up, it felt like they'd fitted too big a body to the platform
Sorry, skipped a few posts before writing that!
Sorry to go a bit off topic here, but that pic of the bike in the back of the Corolla has got me intrigued.
Can you get a bike with wheels off into the back of most mid-sized estates? I always assumed they wouldn't go in like that...
Was looking at the Auris estate the other day & the only diesel seems to be the 1.4, which looks a bit gutless. Guess they are encouraging people into the hybrid option?
stumpy01 - Member
Can you get a bike with wheels off into the back of most mid-sized estates? I always assumed they wouldn't go in like that..
Depends on the wheelbase of the bike and the width of the bars if you want it to go flat under the load cover.
If your're happy to have it standing up, most estates will handle an inverted/angled (depending upon wheel arches) bike with the wheels off. My04 3 series will take two bikes in the boot with the wheels off without lowering the seats.
Daffy - MemberDepends on the wheelbase of the bike and the width of the bars if you want it to go flat under the load cover.
If your're happy to have it standing up, most estates will handle an inverted/angled (depending upon wheel arches) bike with the wheels off. My04 3 series will take two bikes in the boot with the wheels off without lowering the seats.
Cool. Cheers. Guess some of it is determined by how much intrusion there into the load bay by the wheel arches and stuff? That Auris boot looks quite 'square' in that regard, with minimal intrusion.
My longest bike (I think) is a medium FSR, so quite possible that it should go in without too much bother, which is good to know.
When the time comes to replace my car, I've been looking for estates that have easy-fold seats of some sort (like the Civic Tourer) but if I would get away without folding them at all, then all the better!
Get her a Passat with a DSG box. She'll love you forever.
Although the Mondeo I had before had better luggage capacity and was a much smoother m'way car.
Mate has the Auris 1.4 diesel estate, it shifts very rapidly!
Mine is a 1.6 petrol, it's v. comfortable to drive but not as responsive as my old corolla was (1.4). I find the gearing a bit random too but love that I can get my bike completely out of sight in the boot. Seats can be lowered from in the boot too which is good.
@stumpy
A large 26" frame fits in our Ibiza estate, and used to fit across the back seat of the Yaris.... A mid size estate may be a bit 'thread the keyhole' but most bikes should fit.
MoreCashThanDash - Member
Mate has the Auris 1.4 diesel estate, it shifts very rapidly!
I'm sure Autotrader reckons the 1.4 diesel does 0-60 in 13secs. Which isn't exactly rapid.
Perhaps they have it wrong?
ebygomm - Member
Mine is a 1.6 petrol, it's v. comfortable to drive but not as responsive as my old corolla was (1.4). I find the gearing a bit random too but love that I can get my bike completely out of sight in the boot. Seats can be lowered from in the boot too which is good.
Yeah, I'd love to own a car I could get the bike in the back of, with no faff of seats down. Ah, seats can be lowered from the boot - good info. Does the seat base move out of the way to make a flat floor, or does the back just flop down onto it (like it does in the Leon estate).
matt_outandabout - Member
@stumpyA large 26" frame fits in our Ibiza estate, and used to fit across the back seat of the Yaris.... A mid size estate may be a bit 'thread the keyhole' but most bikes should fit.
Blimey...! In the back of an Ibiza estate! Impressed! My Wife has the 3dr hatchback (12 plate FR) and the boot is tiny.
I will have to give my bike a clean and take it with me when looking for my next car!
Great info. Thanks all.
Oh, and sorry OP for the hijack....
Just traded a 9 year old Touran in for 1 year old Superb Estate. Touran uber practical for the amount of road space it took up, perfect driving position, creaky interior, versatile seats, dull, reliable. Superb far better built, big comfy cruiser with silly amounts of rear legroom and boot space. Generally more refined at cruising speeds tho' 225 x 45 x 17 a bit jiggly compared to Touran's 195 x 65 x 15. Better cruising economy with Superb, 55+ easy due to longer gearing. Almost 4.9 metres long, needs care in car parks. Don't regret the switch.
Does the seat base move out of the way to make a flat floor, or does the back just flop down onto it (like it does in the Leon estate).
Seat base doesn't move out the way but it's still a flat floor when the boot floor is in the raised position - boot floor can be dropped by approx. 4 inches
I've just bough a Passat estate (2L TDI 170 Sport) and its ace. So much room inside and drives/handles like a much smaller car. Extremely comfortable too so I'd highly recommend one. Started looking at them as I know 3 people who have them & regularly transport bikes in the back which was a big thing for me.
Wife has a fabia estate, monte carlo special edition (no chrome all black, GPS, bluetooth) was less than 12k new (2 years ago so "old" shape now)
Excellent build quality, nice to drive, massive boot for its size, bit noisy on the motorway, bike goes in without wheel with one seat down.
Can't really fault it for the money.
Touran. 7 seats, but the same size as a Golf.
pretty much decided to go second hand now. Looking likely to be the touran, im assuming buying through a vw/dosauto dealer is worthwhile as you 'should' get it checked out (i put car dealers in the same bracket as solicitors and estate agents - the majority of what they say is BS)
You'll pay a premium at the VW dealer as any main stealer.
You should get a better warranty though.
I got my Caddy privately BUT it still had VW warranty on it transferable.
im assuming buying through a vw/dosauto dealer is worthwhile as you 'should' get it checked out
Personally (and I say this having just bought from a dealer...) I prefer private as you can meet the person who owns it, check history etc. I would rather buy on history and previous owner.
BUT, I went to look at a car recently (to check the model out, rather than that specific car) and it had full history, loads of recipts, one local bike shop owner from new, not a mark on it. I bought it the next day....
As you kids grow, the legroom of the Touran is just brilliant
Touran and legroom are two words that don't go together. 7 seats in a golf sized car is a bad joke.
Touran and legroom are two words that don't go together. 7 seats in a golf sized car is a bad joke.
The very reason I walked away from one even though it was cheaper than the Caddy.
I've had 6 adults in the Caddy as well as myself - all of them over 5'10" without a single grumble.
The Touran my 11yr old struggled to get comfy in the back of and she's 4'8"
Seats folding into the floor is all well and good IF you don't want to have to store them when you need the flat load space BUT it also means the seats are stupidly low the the floor and like sitting on a primary school chair at the kids pantomime....
Just ordered a new shape Skoda Siperb estate. It got my vote!
Best vehicle I ever had, my Touran, 54 plate 150,000 miles, recent 1500 mile jaunt to Germany and back. Issues? A new cam shaft and tappets at 70,000, two dual mass flywheels (and another just about to go), two sets of rear springs and dodgy pre-heater so not without faults. As a vehicle though, its got loads of cubby holes, 5 proper drinks holders and a massive boot. Had it since 2007, every year we say we are going to get rid but it is just so damned practical and it passes the MOT every time, first time. I would have another but Mrs Karlsbug wants a bigger tow car for her *cough*splutter* horse trailer.
Having looked at a couple of approved used GTI's I'm not sure that I'd pay the privilege of an approved used VW. The salesman said that they'd been prepared by them etc but I thought they looked tatty. The previous 3 series I bought did go through a fair bit if prep work by BMW (refurbed alloys etc).
I quite like buying private (assuming that your not dropping huge amount of cash) because you can get a feel for how a car had been looked after etc.
Bought a Fabia Scout ( Estate version) 1,6 diesel new about two and and half years ago.
Really good car, loads of space, relatively cheap compared to VW.
Would buy another if I was doing highish mileage ( probably have a petrol engine these days).
Regards
Denis