Driving under the influence is illegal for a reason.
Which is? Interestingly its almost impossible to show driving impairment under controlled conditions with cannabis smokers - hence the change in the law for a blood level rather than impairment because impairment could not be proved.
You don’t like the smell. How about in the short term you make it extremely horrible to be out in the garden smoking their shit. Get together with the neighbours who agree with you. Go to the local farmer and purchase 1ton of slurry each and store it in your back gardens. See how they enjoy smoking their shit when everything else smells of it. It only needs to be short term and in a removable storage. I would rather smell slurry shit for a week than someone smoking weed all the time
Haha Harry, it's a porsche actually, but you were close.
Which is? Interestingly its almost impossible to show driving impairment under controlled conditions with cannabis smokers – hence the change in the law for a blood level rather than impairment because impairment could not be proved.
I didn't mention impairment, I said driving under the influence is illegal.
the police have roadside checks, like they do for Drink and if they believe there is cause for unrest then they do just that pending further tests. The fact that someone has ‘tipped them’ of a drugged driver will give them every cause to arrest that person. Quite rightly so too, especially as they sound like they drive with kids in the car stoned.
Or are you happy for people to be driving UTI of drink and Drugs?
Hello all and wow! How many judgemental people here. I'm just glad that hanging people is off the menu. Bunnyhop, is it just smell that is bothering you? Would you be fine with cigarette smoke?
I didn’t mention impairment, I said driving under the influence is illegal.
This is true, though I suspect it was the section you omitted from your quote (the 'for a reason' bit) that TJ was getting at:
Driving under the influence is illegal for a reason.
I wouldn't want to drive stoned myself, and I'd rather others didn't too, but I don't think there's much evidence that it's particularly bad for driving. IIRC the big difference with driving stoned vs driving drunk is that a stoned driver FEELS they are impaired, so drives more carefully/cautiously than they would sober. Drunk drivers do the opposite which, coupled with dulled reflexes and impaired coordination, makes bad things happen.
Apologies for going a bit OT, but this is something I find very interesting about weed use. I'm not going to say it's a harmless drug, overuse is demonstrably bad, but it's in many ways much less harmful than, say, alcohol. The way some people demonise weed simply because 'it's illegal' rather than looking at the effects it has vs. the effects of other legal, socially acceptable drugs seems very odd to me.
Interestingly its almost impossible to show driving impairment under controlled conditions with cannabis smokers
My expereience of dope is that i'd not want to drive when stoned.
The evidence seems a lot less clear cut than your statement as well - https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/26/driving-while-high-cannabis-study-safety
One meta-analysis of 60 studies found that marijuana use causes impairment on every measure of safe driving, including motor-coordination, visual function and completion of complex tasks.
But a 2010 analysis published in the American Journal of Addiction found that while “cannabis and alcohol acutely impair several driving-related skills … marijuana smokers tend to compensate effectively while driving by utilizing a variety of behavioral strategies”
A federal report to Congress, conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, came to similar conclusions in 2017. In one test, volunteers were given either marijuana, alcohol or both and then used a driving simulator. The researchers found that the stoned drivers were actually more cautious, exhibiting “reduced mean speeds, increased time driving below the speed limit and increased following distance during a car following task”, although they did find it more difficult to maintain position within a lane.
Both of these studies come with the caveat that the amount of THC consumed and the user’s tolerance levels had an impact on results, with heavy smokers likely to be more greatly impaired
This is true, though I suspect it was the section you omitted from your quote (the ‘for a reason’ bit) that TJ was getting at:
I quoted the whole post...so didn’t omit anything.
frankly Kenneth your post is bizarre and based on personal opinion, granted as is mine. However backed up by the law. There is no denying that being stoned changed your mental state. It certainly doesn’t make you a ‘better’ driver. It’s illegal and I would happily stand on my internet soap box and chastise anyone who does it. Especially with kids in the car! They should be held to account. If you have ever been the other end of the actions of someone acting illegally and irresponsibly with a car UTI you would feel the same I’m sure. Just because a toke of a joint may make some people feel they are focused, doesn’t prove scientifically they do not have diminished reaction times.
Frankly the the mind boggles sometimes how people can even try and justify such things.
Frankly the the mind boggles sometimes how people can even try and justify such things.
I refer you to the earlier post mentioning 'contrary bellends'.
koszaty
Hello all and wow! How many judgemental people here. I’m just glad that hanging people is off the menu. Bunnyhop, is it just smell that is bothering you? Would you be fine with cigarette smoke?
Oh here's one now. First (ok 12th) post on the forum and it's a doozy.
Im just going to point out something thats obvious to someone that does smoke grass and a bit more tricky for a few others to figure out. Reporting your neighbour to the police doesnt solve your problem.
Difficult to figure that out so we’ll not hold it against you.
This is a very interesting post, has anyone figured it out yet ?
and it’s a doozy.
Some doozies, yesterday...
I refer you to the earlier post mentioning ‘contrary bellends’
Ah yep, the haze has lifted (not a weed induced one either) I see now 😀
Some doozies, yesterday…
good that they protect their heads.
It's interesting to see how polarised people's opinions are about weed smoking. Cannibis is certainly not as harmful as other drugs, it even has many health benefits. Perhaps your neighbour feels the need for it to calm her down and the shouting could be much worse if she didn't have her fix. I agree that smoking in front of kids is not ideal but the harm comes from the tobacco rather than the weed.
It isn't illegal because of the possible harm it can cause, it's illegal because big pharma hasn't gained control of the market and governments and companies such as G4 make a lot of money out of criminalising and the incarceration of users. Legalisation and decriminalisation has been proven to be more effective in reducing it's use in countries such as the Netherlands and Portugal, although it's the "criminal" gangs who still profit. The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herer gives a good history and background as to why it is illegal, and the benefits legalisation would bring. Did you know that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew cannibis plantations and smoked it too.
As for the driving argument, I failed my first test sober but passed the second time after having had a smoke an hour before. Now that I have kids I don't drive stoned, but instead I have panic attacks if driving on motorways or dual carriageways (I avoid them at all costs as the possibility of passing out at high speed could cause a serious accident)
I know that doesn't help your situation, but I hope it may give people a better understanding
It’s not; it’s a horrible smell like burning rubber
You're buying cheap black. Get some squidgy or some pollen.
I hope it may give people a better understanding
I think you should go back and read the original post. It's not about why people smoke weed, it's about it stinking the neighbours out. And it does ****ing stink. As does normal fag smoke.
Bloody hippies.
Its now obvious that the drugs have brought about their selfish, inconsiderate, foul, way of life
Objective opinion, non?
@dezb I did say it doesn't help their situation, moving could be the best solution if it bothers them that much and ask the vendors if there's a waft of smoke and vocal neighbours if if bothers them that much
impossible to show driving impairment under controlled conditions with cannabis smokers
I think it's been suggested that in places in the states where it is legal there had been more motor vehicle accidents and fatal accident post mortem reports do show more often that the deceased have cannabis in their system. Of course there could just be more accidents because there are more poeople moving to these areas and more tourists so it's hard to show a definite correlation. Of course people see the stat's and draw their own conclusions.
I think it was fifth gear that tested drink VS weed VS fatigue, and I think it was the latter that caused more concern.
Plus think about the millions on prescription drugs which have warnings on the box, many can cause drowsiness and affect reaction times. Unfortunately the older generation seem to be ok with prescription drugs. Nannas on her diazepam for her nerves and has offered to pick the kids up after school.
What's the term they use on cop shows? Unfit through drink or drugs but the tongue scraper test checks for coke and THC. Not benzos or other sedating meds like some of the anti psychotic types.
It’s interesting to see how polarised people’s opinions are about weed smoking.
It is, but that really does not seem to be the issue here. FWIW I would put smoking weed on a level with drinking alcohol. I have no issue with people doing either so long as they aren't being dicks. The neighbours in this scenario are being dicks. If they weren't being dicks it is unlikely that the OP would even know they liked a bit of weed, suspicion perhaps, but not in yer face obvious. Rule number one is what it boils down to.
find out if you have a local community policing team. They love all the antisocial that the police do not have time for and will no doubt be able to help you.
See if you have a neighborhood watch scheme in your area too they may have some influence in getting something done. Good luck.
aphex - in combination with alcohol cannabis impairs significantly - the two drugs reinforce each other. One beer and one spliff is far worse for your driving than two of one!
Its impossible to show impairment in driving with simple cannabis use - because it does not affect motor control like alcohol. thats not to say there is no impairment - but its in areas like concentration and awareness of surroundings not reaction times or co ordination. so when you test stoners driving you find no impairment - but thats when they are concentrating under contyrolled sircumstancers. Get too involved in a conversation or music and lose concentration? all bets are off.
No way is it as clear cut as it is with alcohol
. I have no issue with people doing either so long as they aren’t being dicks.
But are they ? Their minding their own buisness smoking in their own home. The OP claims the smell isn't only coming in through windows its coming up through the floor. Apart from giving up all together there isn't anything thing they can do. Smoke outside the Op can smell it in his garden, go indoors and it comes up through the floor. They can't win with the Op whatever they do. No idea what the solution is but I can guarantee they won't be giving up their smoke anytime soon.
Surely if they just smoke outside that would help the situation. Not ideal though.
But are they ?
Yes they are because their behaviour is impacting negatively on someone else and they don't give a shit. Back in the day people used to knock on doors down our street to ask if people didn't mind them having a bonfire and giving them the chance to take their washing in. Nowadays the prevalent attitude seems to be 'I will do whatever I like and **** everyone else'. If everyone joins in, no one is happy apart from the biggest scrotes, who don't give a toss anyway and can just lamp anyone who tries to stand up to them.
if it's really as bad as you say, go for all out chemical warefare! 😆
Yes they are because their behaviour is impacting negatively on someone else and they don’t give a shit.
But that all comes down to tolerance. If I smell a bit of weed coming over from next door it doesn't bother me. Maybe the Op is being hyper sensitive and hysterical to an odd wiff (not saying you are Op, this hypothetical). You can't live in a bubble and expect the outside world to have no impact what so ever.
Im just going to point out something thats obvious to someone that does smoke grass and a bit more tricky for a few others to figure out. Reporting your neighbour to the police doesnt solve your problem.
Difficult to figure that out so we’ll not hold it against you.
Cheekyboy: This is a very interesting post, has anyone figured it out yet ?
Yes. Owning weed in small amounts is not a prisonable offence. If they get caught and convicted of ownership then they will still live next to Op and likely still smoke weed but now may have an aggressive stance towards their neighbours.
Do any of you actually read my posts (sorry for the few that did).
1) It's been going on for 12 years I repeat 12 years.
2) They smoke too.
3) We live on a hill and the prevailing wind blows it into our house (mainly in summer when they smoke outside.
4) I work from home and have to put up with this a lot.
5) I don't car if you think I'm sensitive or not, it's affecting my health, I detest passive smoking.
6) I am not in a position to move at this time.
I've put up with their parties, loud music, drinking, stinking bbqs that smoke out the neighbours. But this is too much. And yes imo I believe she is like this (screaming, swearing) because of years of taking drugs. I have got advice about this from a medical person.
It would be nice if people on this forum got so outraged about their neighbours' stinking smoking cars. A typical car puts out more stinking carcinogens etc. in the minutes after start up than a weed smoker in Lord knows how many joints. And then they have their stinking central heating systems with their gas or oil fumes.
I love threads like this, I love the outrage, the hate, the intolerance, the devious solutions proposed, the love thy neighbour, the sheer red-faced seething joy of it all.
Ignore me and carry on, I know trying to relativise such a subject is weeing into the wind.
Grasmere
Based on this the obvious answer would be to challenge the neighbour to a Cumbrian wrestling match with the loser leaving town
Slightly off topic, but in the same ball park. I work in financial crime and there is a quandary at the mo... Cannabis is now grown legally in the US in some states, my company has processed payments for large UK funds (pensions) who now invest in said companies. It's still a crime in the UK to sell cannabis. POCA 2002, says an act outside the UK, which would be a crime in the UK, is considered a crime. So these funds, by owning shares in a cannabis company, outside the UK are considered to be commiting a crime, the movement of any monies derived from this businesses, is therefore money laundering... Latest from FCA is, ah it's ok, don't worry about it (not official yet!)... Business, profit, crime... Just sayin'...
A medical person 🤣
Theres no hope.
obvious troll is obvious
2/10. Edukator is a classic under acheiver who puts in minimal effort to his homework. With some direction or motivation his level of work could be so much better and he could go far. This piece however lacks thought and direction. must try harder .
aphex_2k
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You’re buying cheap black. Get some squidgy or some pollen.
Nah man, the molten plastic is what gets you high
Thing is, by the OP's description, this 'use' doesn't exactly sound 'recreational' though as it seems it's very regular and all times of the day !
