[Closed] Neighbours smoking (is there anything we can do)

I think that says more about the user than the drug.

That's a good point, thing is its hard to know who is going to go *odd* and who is going to hang onto their marbles; and **** knows what it would do too small kids minds as its not as if they have the life experience to work out what's normal and what isn't.

Personally I would speak to the neighbours and ask them to calm it down a bit and smoke away from the house, as everywhere stinks of weed and it smells like a cannabis factory next door. If that doesn't work **** 'em and report it to the Police and let them deal with it.

Biggest risk is when the OP's kids get to uni and they smell weed and it reminds them of childhood summer days playing in the garden, so they end up loving it, and trying it..

We may have - inadvertently - solved another puzzle here.
How much cake were you exposed to as a child? 😉

Binners, I think Emma Bradford from your article has it spot on! 😯

and your qualifications and/or clinical experience to make that statement are?

Or is that just your layman's opinion on something you have little real knowledge about?

Are you seriously suggesting that it would be possible to inhale any significant quantity of the smoke from a joint, several metres away in the open air?

If it was the quantities of active ingredients inhaled by the person actually smoking it would be absolutely massive!

What about the smoke from a chimney or garden fire? Far more poisonous and a much greater quantity. Petrol and diesel fumes in a town centre?
What about filling your car at a petrol station with children in the car? Just think of all the vapour they will be inhaling!

When they get to secondary school, Molgrips.

Live and let live, as several have already said.

Can't somebody invent an e-cigarette that allows you to electronically smoke dope

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Are you seriously suggesting that it would be possible to inhale any significant quantity of the smoke from a joint, several metres away in the open air?

Just to play devil advocate; but that sounds very similar to the arguments made by the tobacco industry about passive smoking in general.

Think about it, if you can smell it then you are inhaling it. The dose might be small for an adult as its related to mass; but kids are pretty small so they need much less for the same effect. Personally I don't know what a *significant* dose is for a child, but surely that's for the child's parents to decide? Not you.

Molly get a grip and they do not have kids.

How much cake were you exposed to as a child?

I am not sure of the impact of cannabis on young children's health or mental health

Junkyard, I think you might be surprised what the law thinks about Cannabis

Think about it, if you can smell it then you are inhaling it.

I understand how our sense of smell works.

Just because you can smell something doesn't mean you are inhaling a significant quantity.

My point is that there are far more significant air pollutants that we are exposed to every day and they don't cause the majority of people to worry.

Short of keeping your children in plastic bubbles how can you protect children from them?

Personally, I think the OP is totally over reacting to what the neighbours are doing. Apart from having to suffer the slight odour what real harm is being done? Get a life is what I would suggest.

There is no way on this green earth that a child would get even remotely high from someone smoking a joint in an open air environment.

There is no way on this green earth that a child would get even remotely high from someone smoking a joint in an open air environment.

devil advocate: What about a group of people smoking joints underneath their open bedroom window? As that's what the OP is potentially living with.

Also surely it depends on the strength of the weed? As they aren't all equal in strength

Even if they were honking barneys blue cheese mixed with underground original killer skunk you would not get high from passive smoking when smoked outside, even with it drifting through an open window. Yes it would stink but you would not get high.

devil advocate: What about a group of people smoking joints underneath their open bedroom window? As that's what the OP is potentially living with.

Also surely it depends on the strength of the weed? As they aren't all equal in strength

The OP never said about smoking underneath the windows.

Even then, I don't believe any significant quantity of smoke could actually reach anyone inside. If it could then what about the CO poisoning risk from a neighbours wood burning stove?

I think the key here is 'Dealer', 'Large group', 'Morning Noon and Night'.

If my next door neighbour had a quiet toke, no probs.

If he's running a house for continuous use, get the plods in, it's not reasonable to live next door to that.

Smokers just don't get how offensive the smell is (TBH weed is much less offensive, but that's a different question).

Also, get a decent size barkey dog. That'll ruin it for them and they'll go elsewhere.

So, because their smoking outside is bothering you, you get a noisy dog to bother them? Perfect STW logic...

The OP never said about smoking underneath the windows.

Well this sorta implies that they are at least smoking near open windows.

there are so many of them smoking it fills most of our gardens and comes up through the windows.

fills most of our gardens

Not very likely is it? Unless it's something like this?

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Not very likely is it? Unless it's something like this?

I don't know, I haven't been to the OP house.

I have been in a few houses with that level of weed smoke coming out the windows though 🙂

"Fills most of our gardens"
Do you live next door to cheech and chong? 😀

Think about it, if you can smell it then you are inhaling it.

I used to work with someone who used this as the reason you should never fart in his presence.

[i]"It's like minute particles of your shit wafting up my snot box...!"[/i]

Oh, how we laughed.

"It's like minute particles of your shit wafting up my snot box...!"

Well it is isn't it? What do you think makes the smell?

Well it is isn't it? What do you think makes the smell?

Exactly.

Ingesting shit is not good for you.

However, the tiny quantities that you do when you smell it, do you absolutely no harm.

Well it is isn't it?

I'm trying not to give it too much thought TBH.

However, the tiny quantities that you do when you smell it, do you absolutely no harm.

Not really comparing like with like though are you fart smell = few seconds; weed smell for hours as the people are smoking morning, noon and night.

Also I don't think that farts/sulphur/methane are known to trigger mental illnesses or are they?

Guys - chill. I was just trying to inject a little humour into the proceedings. I didn't expect it to take this weird and frankly disturbing twist.

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"It's only a moral obligation if the law is moral. "
Idiot statement. You question laws in a legitimate way not decide which ones you wish to obey. Don't wish to obey the laws? Move out of our society.
And just how is it, for example, smoking dope is some how more acceptable than texting whilst driving?
Oh of course, some people only want to play by the rules that suit them.
Failure to report a crime make you anti social and therefore not part of our society. Choose.

you could start walking around in one of these:

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it should freak them out nicely as well as possibly (athough they might be a bit slow) get the message across.

the dealer comes round every friday

I saw something on the TV recently about trends in the causes of road accidents. Speed and drink going down, but fatigue (cuise controls) and texting/phone use becoming major problems. Automatic testing of everyone in a serious accident in France shows cannabis isn't such a big issue. So, texting while driving is more anti-social if you limit the analysis to road deaths and injuries. I'll do some Googling now to try and find the source of the stats.

According to La Prévention Routière cannabis only doubles the risk of having an accident involving injury. Phone/texting quadruples the risk.

Somewhat OT.... Edukator, how the hell do you live with the Troll tag? Man, I'd be so pissed I'd have to light one up!

Like my pseudo, most people don't seem to understand, gofasterstripes. The pseudo comes from a German film of the same name "Die Fetten Jahre sind Vorbei". Here's the synopsis from Rotten Tomatoes:

"Jan, Peter and Jule are united by their passion to change the state of the world. Jan and Peter become "The Edukators," mysterious activists who non-violently warn the local rich their "days of plenty are numbered." Complications follow when vulnerable Jule ends up falling for both young men. An operation gone wrong and what was never intended to be a kidnapping brings the three young idealists face-to-face with the values of the generation in power."

My eco-warrior, pro-social justice, pro-meritocracy, pro-Euro, hedonistic, carpe diem, assume the consequences of your actions, love and peace message has earned me a "troll" label from the generation in power (though in their photos they look about the same age as me).

The "assume the consequences of your actions" bit means I live with "troll" rather than go through a couple of UK based proxi servers and invent a new persona based on a divorced bearded single speeding Brummy living near the Licky Hills with his boyfriend.

It's much easier being "Edukator troll", a bit bit like being a cigarette in a packet with "smoking kills" on the outside. Cigarettes don't mind being flamed, but nobody is obliged to light up. A sort of STW health warning.

But they're not smoking in the car. That's where the baby sleeps.

That's all too complicated for me, Ed. I'll carry on thinking you are a teacher, if you don't mind.

eco-warrior, pro-social justice, pro-meritocracy, pro-Euro, hedonistic, carpe diem, assume the consequences of your actions, love and peace message

Yes that is why

Just out of interest which ones of these views are encompassed in your dont try rolf harris as it was too long ago and he should not go to jail anyway as he has been punished enough?

mattsccm : I've just broke 2 laws in the past few hours, and you know what? - it felt mighty fine indeed!.

The laws against criminalisation of drugs and their use have been questioned by people with much higher authority than my own yet this government refuses to enter into a rational discussion, perhaps if you ever researched the reasons [i]why?[/i] the drug laws were enforced and brought to bear throughout the civilised western world then you may come to a rather startling conclusion, until that point where you start to question the current situation you are indeed perfectly entitled to hold your views, whatever they may be, However be aware that there are others who do not subscribe to the current ill-informed legalisation and we will continue to administer to our own lives as we see fit.

I gave up teqching it to kids as it is impossible to defend other than by stating that is what the law is

Wat drugs do the most harm to society?
Smoking kills 1/3 of all users
Alcohol - many illnesses related in circa 75% if violent offences including domestics.

Heroin - kills many users but pretty safe if the supply and quality is known
Cannabis - only one [ dubious] death ever pretty safe

Etc

they make no sense

Ignoring that prohibition clearly is not working even if you want it to.
the financial cost of th epolicing - the revenue it could raise is massive
You can reduce harm by controlling the supply and distribution no tto mention harming organised criminals

Its hard ot think of any compelling reason to explain or justify our currently random drugs laws. Every kid can see this yet many adults cannot.
Education is the answer but of the older generations who were sold a lie about the dangers and some still believe it.

to be clear nothing is 100% safe and they all have some risks. We do not ban them based on this risk, we do not morally object to drunks [ lets all get pissed instead] who knows why we do then?

It's true, and to add my view, I agree with Somafunk here; there is an imbalance as to the attitude towards alcohol and weed. Silly as I'd probably guess that most rational people would agree that alcohol is a more dangerous (in the 'biggger picture' sense) that cannabis, but 'potheads' are an easy target.

I'm not in the circle by any stretch and do not smoke it myself, but I think what may be harming any rational debate is the potency of pot nowadays - from what I understand, it's a damned sight stronger than 15 years ago.

irrelevant it's illegal. it's exceptionally anti-social.

Dunno, feels the same to me 😉

You can just have less, you know!

it's exceptionally anti-social.

You naughty troll, you 🙂

It is pretty niffy.....

Sorry, I missed out "humanist", Junkyard.

Edit: I haven't done any paid teaching for 12 years, slowoldgit, I still do occasional voluntary work though.

Adn you wonder why you get called a troll

To be fair that was a funny answer and i massively admire your eco credentials.

Just for my tuppence, I'd be mortified if any of my habits upset a neighbour, surely I'd apologise. Were a bit OT here, so I'd just like to add my voice to the 'ask them to do it further away' crowd. But also the 'extremely unlikely to have any notable effect at smellable concentrations' brigade.

Lastly, on the subject of farts, its the gasses, not poopticulates, AFAIK.

Oh, and cheers, Ed, for a considered reply.

I think I had better stick my fave Rachmaninoff on, and high-brow it up now, heh.

My [s]eco-warrior, pro-social justice, pro-meritocracy, pro-Euro, hedonistic, carpe diem, assume the consequences of your actions, love and peace message [/s] non-stop trolling has earned me a "troll" label from [s]the generation in power (though in their photos they look about the same age as me)[/s] people who have a bit more of a life than I do.

How do you qualify your own post if not "trolling", ChubbyBlokeInLycra? Don't poke the troll with a stick.

TrimFitBlokeInLycra.

Sleep tight all. Time to get under my bridge.

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[i]The laws against criminalisation of drugs and their use[/i]

Soma, you aren't making a lot of sense.

poopticulates

I think the technical term is "pooticles".

Idiot statement. You question laws in a legitimate way not decide which ones you wish to obey. Don't wish to obey the laws? Move out of our society.

I notice you are now shifting your argument to talk about a requirement to obey the law. That's a quite different thing from your earlier point, which was that people show report others who do not obey laws. And again, I don't think there is a moral obligation to obey laws if they're immoral. To take a bleeding obvious example to avoid any accusations of subtlety, Nazi racial purity laws were immoral, and I don't think anyone was under a moral obligation to obey them.

I think you're confusing law and morals, and obeying a law and reporting others' refusal to obey a law.

Don't wish to obey the laws? Move [b]out[/b] of our society.

I wasn't aware that society belonged to anyone, group or individual. Laws are often made without the consent of all society's members. No law, no matter how rigourously enforced, is absolute. Mayny laws are wrong and marginalise/negatively impact/oppress innocent people. Laws should always be questioned and if necessary, disobeyed/challenged. Doing so may be deemed 'unlawful' by those with a vested interest in all people obeying them.

Would you make the same statment to a homosexual person in Saudi Arabia?

Well put. Totally agree.

slowoldgit : I often don't make sense that's why i feel right at home within this forum 😀 , i typed it between making a stir fry, answering the phone, burning the stir fry, shouting at a cat shitting in my garden and trying to figure out in my head how to approach a job/task i need to do tomorrow along with all the other stuff piling up.

Of the above i only managed the shouting at the cat with any measure of success.

Par for the course really, i'll take that small achievement as a win.

somafunk - Member
slowoldgit : [s]I often don't make sense that's why i feel right at home within this forum , i typed it between making a stir fry, answering the phone, burning the stir fry, shouting at a cat shitting in my garden and trying to figure out in my head how to approach a job/task i need to do tomorrow along with all the other stuff piling up[/s] I'm stoned.

FTFY

nope - not smoked/vaporized weed or hash for at least 2 years.

Next guess?…. 😀

"Of the above i only managed the shouting at the cat with any measure of success."

Look, at least you didn't stir fry the cat, right...?

Can I throw another tangent on the fire..?

Does anyone know where I can find stats for the percentage of patients suffering from cannabis psychosis on acute psychiatric wards in the UK that came from cannabis using family backgrounds...?

It would really interest me, I've met a lot of second and third generation hippy folk and as a rule they generally seem fairly switched on, good pleasant folk... perhaps there may even be benefits to passive smoking in children..?

In days of yore (pre-prohibition) I'm sure the midwife would have prescribed cannabis smoke/products for a variety of childhood situations, from babies that don't settle at night, pain relief, appetite enhancement etc through to treatment of chronic illness.. Not to mention daily nutrition, skincare and clothing

(DISCLAIMER: I should state that I suffered with horrendous psychosis in my late teens and early 20s, and although I have not used cannabis since, I still strongly advocate against it's blanket demonisation)

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/just-had-row-with-next-door-neighbour

I knew i remembered from before....

Same neighbour ? Im sure telling them to stop smokings going to go down well .....

If its not the same neighbour , then im glad not to live next to a busy body.

The pot (except for a uncertain impact on health) and it's legality is irrelevant here.

This is all about the a neighbour who is either consciously or unconsciously being an ass by prioritizing their wants over their neighbour's rights to a certain degree of comfort and refuge in their own home. Whether it's pot, cigs, loud music or whatever doesn't matter.

When living near someone a little give and take is needed. I'm ok balancing my occasional louud music with your occasional fag.

It seems that these guys want to take all the time.

Fixing the issue requires a mix of carrot and stick and a fair bit of confrontation as most users are so selfish about their habit they can't see the impact they are having on others.

I must add that any confrontation needs to be carefully measured to be effective yet not to get your head kicked in.

If you're not comfortable with that you need to find reinforcements in the shape of neighbours or authorities/move out of put up.

Personally I think they should just bake their weed into brownies..

So any update BUNNYHOP?

Ps I clicked on your username and it takes me here
http://emmyjane-design.blogspot.co.uk/
Is that the garden in question in the pictures, if so thats gonna take a LOT of smoke 🙄

This is still ongoing?
Man up, and talk to them! Jeebus...

Soma - don't take offence, it just seemed apt.

[i]This is all about the a neighbour who is either consciously or unconsciously being an ass by prioritizing their wants over their neighbour's rights to a certain degree of comfort and refuge in their own home. Whether it's pot, cigs, loud music or whatever doesn't matter.[/i]

Wow, wasn't this established 220 or so posts ago?

So what is actually the real issue here? Because I really don't beleive that he odd whiff of dope smoke wafting over your way now and then is actually the massive problem you make it out to be. Is it more that their not your ideal sort of neighbours? Just seems like a lot of fuss over very little if you ask me. Live and let live. If it's really that big a deal for you (if you're so sensitive, how on earth do you deal with bbqs, bonfres, other peoples' cooking etc? ), shut your windows. Or, open your mind a bit, go round there for a free toke, and just chill. 8)

Wow, wasn't this established 220 or so posts ago?

Sorry must have missed that amoungst all the dope is moral/immoral stuff. Should have known better than try to address the OP's post.

 

No need to apologise. I was just surprised is all.

Because I really don't beleive that he odd whiff of dope smoke wafting over your way now and then is actually the massive problem you make it out to be.

So.. she says the stink is awful, and you think it's just the 'odd whiff' and she's some kind of awful snob.

So, despite the fact that you're not there and you haven't smelled it, you think you know all about the situation and are choosing to draw a very negative conclusion about the OP. And then post it.

Nice.

This is still ongoing?
Man up, and talk to them! Jeebus...

I don't think the OP's been back since the first page.. so don't blame her.

I've lived next to habitual weed smokers. Sat outside when they're there hving a puff. It never bothered me at all. Even the skunk I could hardly smell. So I'm surprised that it's such a big issue for the op, and am wondering if it's more to do with the fact that they just don't like their neighbours, and will use any stick to try and beat them with (online of corse). I thik i't smore about the neighbours being 'different' that the op doens't like.

as person who has tried to live healthily and helped others in the past to do so, it really has got to me.

They're not your concenr. Worry about somthing else instead, or just chill out andrelax. Life's too short.

So I'm surprised that it's such a big issue for the op

Still might be better not to judge character eh? You don't know what they are smoking and how their windows/flats are arranged or how the wind blows around their gardens.

Personally I find weed very pungent and acrid and not at all pleaseant even in small quantities, unlike tobacco which can sometimes be somewhat pleasant (when fresh, depending on the blend). Never complained about it though before you jump down my throat.

Still might be better not to judge character eh?

I just find it very nimbyish. Hardly 'judging character'. Th eop might be incredibly tolerant in many other rspects.

You don't know what they are smoking and how their windows/flats are arranged or how the wind blows around their gardens.

But but but but... 🙄

Personally I find weed very pungent and acrid and not at all pleaseant even in small quantities

So what?

I agree with Molgrips. There's no reason to be snotty towards the OP when the full facts aren't known.

I used to live next to a guy who smoked really cheap nasty cigars in his little courtyard thingy and it used to stink out our place just because of the layout of windows and construction methods. Luckily he moved out before I had to pwn him with Bombers.

I agree with Molgrips. There's no reason to be snotty towards the OP when the full facts aren't known.

Quite, Its like a really poor troll that we've still made last 7 pages, was the OP's other moany thread any different?

I just find it very nimbyish. Hardly 'judging character'.

I think that's exactly what it is. Nimbyism is a pretty negative character trait, and you just attributed it to the OP.

So what?

So you might not mind the smell, others might be more sensitive to it. Same goes for a lot of things. So you don't think it should be a problem based on your own experience, but it might be for her.

the OP's other moany thread

FFS most smokers dont smoke in their own home

the OP's other moany thread

alright that was a bit harsh, but they've made 1 statement and buggered off...i need closure people! 👿

Possibly too busy setting up the new supply chain to waste time on internet bike forums

FFS most smokers dont smoke in their own home

It's easy to tell someone to chill out a bit when you're not in the situation. Constant drip drip of low level anti-social behaviour can start to do your head in, with individual incidences seemingly innocuous when described in isolation. Although, the last place I'd choose to ask would be STW.

[i]but they've made 1 statement and buggered off[/i]

She probably found the opinions of a number of cockends on the thread quite offensive and went off to do something else.