[Closed] Neighbours large static caravan blocks view from my house

Jump over the fence, move the caravan yourself by hand with some friends then deny all knowledge if asked? or look up the owner on the land registry, go and visit him and ask him nicely.

Fire! Or contact the owner

I'd saying getting the council in and demanding he tidy up Is one way to get the last owners feud up and running again. Much better to find the owner, explain the old owner has gone and that you'd like to get along. The stick approach will be hard and unlikely to succeed. That or buy the land, as you don't actually own the view.

If you set the council on him, he'll no doubt go out of his way to dream up even more inventive ways of pissing you off.

Buy the vehicles off him?

Go on, give us a streetview link for Friday night entertainment purposes. 🙂

EDIT: Jesus, it's Monday, isn't it? You can tell I live in the real world. 🙁

Give it away on freecycle, post under a bogus name and buy a cheap PAYG phone for a new number.. deny all knowledge

Good fun answers but you don't seem to understand. The guy has not been seen in years and years and nobody is sure if he is alive still. While he got nasty with the previous owner he was actually very angry with the whole village as everyone complained about him. Plus getting nasty with me would be an entirely different proposition to picking on the frail old lady that had the house before me.

Static caravan so impossible to move. Vehicles all in bits but possibly valuable as some are classic cars. I had every intention of rational negotiation with him but unfortunately nobody has the slightest idea where he is or if he is even alive.

Really I was looking for more legal ideas of what to do and as attractive as burning it all down is, the caravan is sadly right up against my fence and would set the trees and possibly my house on fire!

Land registry should have owner details. If it's unregistered then the deeds weren't registered before it became compulsory. In that case he may well have died and no one knows about the land as the only proof of ownership is a bit of paper in a drawer somewhere.

We still need piccys

Surly the land registry will have the owners details

Find out who owns the land? Private detective to trace owner and negotiate?

Environment agency maybe for storage/ handling of waste without a permit. Council may be able to do something under planning or fly tipping legislation. But I'm afraid (and it's not the answer you want) 1 man and his dog that are still left in public services really haven't got the manpower to put much of any effort into stuff like this anymore.

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also does caravans.

Section 215 order (in theory).
This can applied to the owner to tidy up his/her land. If nothing happens, the owner can be fined, and the council can clear the land and send the owner the bill.
That's the theory. In practice, some councils are useless and don't apply the powers they have. Obviously I have some experience of something similar and a useless council.
Good luck.

Land registry search for owner. It's 2 quid. But finding him after that....

Daft thing is his sites probably worth a few quid for houses in rural Cumbria. Be carefull what you wish for.

He might be dead in the caravan? And by dead I mean a pile of mouldy mush.

Anyway, terrible that some bored kids set it all on fire. Bloody vandals

nickjb - Member
Land registry should have owner details. If it's unregistered then the deeds weren't registered before it became compulsory. In that case he may well have died and no one knows about the land as the only proof of ownership is a bit of paper in a drawer somewhere.

I know of this happening on more than one occasion....

A fence gets moved.....

Offer to buy the brown field site from him. Clear sell land for one / two dwellings with full planning, and whatever arrangement that keeps your views.

Not being funny, but you say the place is abandoned and the owner not seen for years.
Is there any chance that he could have died in there ? I don't know who you would call to get it
checked out .

So let's get this straight op. You bought a house knowing the caravan was there? You got the house cheaper due to the garage/whatever being there.
You are now not happy that the caravan and garage is there.
Is this correct?

No - he's not happy at not being legally able to do anything about it because no one has any balls in the council....

So let's get this straight op. You bought a house knowing the caravan was there? You got the house cheaper due to the garage/whatever being there.
You are now not happy that the caravan and garage is there.
Is this correct?

No what I am saying is that I bought the house at a much reduced price but I knew I may have a struggle to take action on the abandoned site. So I would like ideas on how to legally remove the caravan to get a better view from my house and the whole village for years has wanted the site cleared out but don't know how to go about it. I am not that bothered about the old fashioned derelict garage as I don't really see much of it from my house but would like the abandoned vehicles and caravan gone.

Put up a pergola remove caravan and pretend Groundforce paid him a visit.

Anyway, terrible that some bored kids set it all on fire. Bloody vandals

Is there planning permission for a permanent dwelling there? Maybe the static caravan has never Bern allowed.

So let's get this straight op. You bought a house knowing the caravan was there? You got the house cheaper due to the garage/whatever being there.
You are now not happy that the caravan and garage is there.
Is this correct?

That was my train of thought.

So a) you've no right to complain but b) have every right to try to improve things.

I've no insight, but I wish you luck.

Does a static caravan count as a permanent building or a temporary building?

Pay some passing nomads (white vans, rigger boots, Irish accents) a couple of hundred quid to get rid of the scrap outside your house*

(*dont pay them till afterwards, expect them to remember a different agreed amount than the one you do)

Pay some passing nomads (white vans, rigger boots, Irish accents) a couple of hundred quid to get rid of the scrap outside your house*

(*dont pay them till afterwards, expect them to remember a different agreed amount than the one you do)

Like it, Appleby horse fair week then.

Does a static caravan count as a permanent building or a temporary building?

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I am surprised the scrap has stayed around so long

wait for the next storm and destroy the caravan

or

Is this like when someone moves into a city centre above a lively bar, and then campaigns for the bar to be closed on account of the noise?

Is this like when someone moves into a city centre above a lively bar, and then campaigns for the bar to be closed on account of the noise?

Nothing like !

Report to environment agency about the scrap cars. They should have a permit (they won't have) to keep/treat waste vehicles. They might be able to get things moving.

At the same time get the landowners details. Go and speak to him and be very very nice. Try to do things for him like weigh in the scrap/sell the vehicles and caravan to get him some cash. Offer to get it all sorted for him without him having to do anything - mention that the authorities are interested and you'd like to help him out. In reality all you'd have to do is some quick eBay listings or call the local scrapyard to fetch the metal/vehicles. Don't mention its to improve your view - all you'll do is reignite that fire of a previous dispute.

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You have a right to light not a view from your property

Have you sought legal advice (and I don't mean STW)?

No what I am saying is that I bought the house at a much reduced price but I knew I may have a struggle to take action on the abandoned site.

It does seem like you need to speak to the owner - so make big effort to find them.

This thread has so far failed to deliver.

Take a pic of the caravan. Set it on fire. Take more pictures. I'll assume you've had a bad day as it's Monday. Take even moar pictures, this time of the abandoned cars. Take out your frustration on the cars with a **** off huge hammer while jumping up and down on the roofs like the deranged idiot council estate kids you read about in the Fail. Catch your breath while taking more pictures. Set the cars on fire. If you've got time, take more pictures. Post 'em here.

Hire a mini digger and Bury it..

Buy the land and build a large retirement home then disapear yourself but not before you've complained about it.

go on the sellafield tour. take a jamjar and collect some of the waste dripping from the nearest pipe. chuck it over the fence and notify the EPA.

1. Pull caravan over, so that it falls into your hedge/fence/garden. Take photos once its down.
2. Put letter through his door requesting him to remove the wreckage from your property, give him 7 days. Keep a copy of the letter.
3. Have somebody come (via your garden) and remove remains of caravan.
4. Put letter through his door telling him what you have done.
5. See what happens.

I'm not a lawyer etc etc

Could you go to the local police station and say that you're worried about him? I assume that he will pop-up on a number of databases. He must be somewhere - even if he's dead, there will be a record.

[url= http://www.unclaimedfinances.co.uk/facts-unclaimed-land-property-uk.html ]Occupy the land for twelve years[/url] (or it might only be 10 years) and claim it as yours

Tidy the place up, if he returns say it was the previous owner. If he doesn't follow timbas suggestion.

Find the neighbour and pretend to be a vintage static caravan enthusiast. Offer him, say £500 for the wrecked caravan and do as you wish with it.

If fire is not an option,maybe , whilst looking for your missing cat,you could accidentally knock it flat with the large hammer/pick axe you fell over.
Have you contacted the parish councillors? Surely someone in the village knows a relative of the missing landowner.
Everyone knows everyone up there........
Does the village begin with a B?

I imagine the owner is in a residential home.

I imagine the owner's collecting mushrooms in Namibia!

jambourgie - Member
Is this like when someone moves into a city centre above a lively bar, and then campaigns for the bar to be closed on account of the noise?
POSTED 14 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST

[i]something's either a public nuisance or it's not. it doesn't matter if you've been there ten years or ten minutes. [/i]

Although there's been several cases in Brighton of freeholders installing tenants above pubs who immediately start complaining about noise disrupting their 'right to a private life', venue closes, tenant moves out and freeholder converts previous pub/club into residential and makes a fortune.

[edit] re the OP.

If no one's seen the owner for years and if there's room then I'd just move the van somewhere else and worry about getting a solicitors letter whilst enjoying my new view.

Personally I would try every way suggested to try to find the owner. And if that didn't work I'd move/remove/destroy the offending caravan myself.

Static caravan so impossible to move

Erm, most do have wheels, you know? It's only static so long as it's not moving.

So move it. Can you not drag it to another part of the site?

Or maybe it's stopping them having to look at your horrible hedge?

Simply adjust the height of the caravan to suit.

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konabunny - Member

something's either a public nuisance or it's not. it doesn't matter if you've been there ten years or ten minutes.

Er...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuisance_in_English_law#Private_nuisance

😉

I'm not sure which bit you're referring to that you (presumably) think makes me look like I'm wrong. (Although I'm not promising that I'm right...).

Really do think this thread needs a picture of the offending caravan/view

no liability accepted for the following advise :-

tidy up his land yourself carefully rearrange the caravan scrap to a less offensive position conceal with planting put a fence/hedge up to include his land in yours.

treat the abandoned land as your own wait 12 years congratulations you now have a bigger country estate.

edit 10 not 12
"Positive Prescription provides that where someone has possessed land “openly, peaceably and without judicial interruption (a court action which challenges the possession in question)” on the strength of a valid recorded title covering the land in question for 10 years they will obtain a good title to it. Such possession can usually be proven by the provision of affidavits (sworn statements by affected parties)"

hmm, sounds like a nice development opportunity - how many houses do you think i could build on there ❓

just saying, would you rather look at your hedge or at a new build estate 🙁

konabunny - Member

I'm not sure which bit you're referring to that you (presumably) think makes me look like I'm wrong. (Although I'm not promising that I'm right...).

The section on private nuisance. So saying "it's either a public nuisance or it's not" is incorrect.

Of course, from the sounds of it it's probably not a private nuisance either!