[Closed] Neighbour trading cars from his home address....anything I can do?

this will force you to leave one car on the narrow congested street permanently thereby making the street a right clogged up mess

dont you live in a new build estate....surely these ethical house builder people who exist only to make you a lovely housing estate to live on have made the roads wide enough to park cars on the side no ?

urely these ethical house builder people who exist only to make you a lovely housing estate to live on have made the roads wide enough to park cars on the side no ?

No, they've given everyone at least two parking places, if you include the garage. Most have enough space even without the garage if you gravel over a couple of redundant feet of grass. But no, our road looks like this in the evenings:

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I really wish they'd introduce a tax for leaving cars on the road.

They have. It is called 'Vehicle Excise duty'
It applies regardless of if you car is being driven or parked up.

that looks like a photo of my drive molgrips 😀

Inland Revenue won't do anything about it.
Neither the Police unless there is civic disturbance (but still, they won't stop him trading from my experience).
Best policy is to note the registration plates and hope for something hot.

Neighbour trading cars from his home address....anything I can do?

Is there any chance you could mind your own ****ing business and live and let live..?

My neighbour trades scrap from his gaff and although he weighs about 30 stone, is quite grubby and smells pretty bad, he is a diamond geezer and would do anything for anyone..

maybe your neighbour is a nice fella too..?

Well this has snowballed 🙄 was just seeking some advice!

Is there any chance you could mind your own **** business

He's complaining about the street being obstructed, so it is his business.

can a fire engine get up the street to attend an emergency?
if not, then it's worth reporting

And could a light aircraft make an emergency landing? If not... .

Edit: on a more serious note I have a neighbour that reacts the way some people on this thread suggest. She is clearly miserable and her constant nagging at others over the way they live makes her even more miserable because they just go on doing whatever she has got upset about.

The family opposite me have 7 cars.

They have to park 2 on the road when they are all in.

There's a bloke along the road who sells cars from home, he never has more than about 4 cars out front with only 1 or 2 on the road.

Whats the difference really?

Although his wife also runs a dog grooming business from home, so I suppose I should alert Special Branch and get them done.

Legal cars parked on street shocker.
Call the cops. Get the cops to shoot the owner, place the cars in the shape of a vertical cross and burn them kkk stylee.
Either this or worry more about actual problems OP.

I take it you know the guy then when you can say all that so confidently? Must be great to have all his personal information and bank records to hand to make such a statement. Tell me though, why are you wasting your talents on this guy and not the ones who owe millions? Methinks you have your priorities wrong somewhere.

Don't worry, I am, I've recovered £105k in the last 4 weeks. I do my work on here for free. 🙂

Post pics of this congested street so we can see how inconvenienced you are. If you dare 🙂

My neighbour trades scrap from his gaff and although he weighs about 30 stone, is quite grubby and smells pretty bad, he is a diamond geezer and would do anything for anyone..

Nice guy? If he doesn't have the right permit (which I am guessing he doesn't if it from his house) then he's running an illegal waste site. He's not paying the permit fees, not abiding by the rules in such permits which protect the environment, unfairly undercutting legitimate business's and quite probably (knowing scrappies very very very well as I do) supporting the metal theft criminals by buying their stolen goods off them cos there isn't any traceability with his "business".

How bad does a crime have to be before STW will report it......

Nice guy?

yes

Did I stutter?

My neighbour's started leaving body parts littered around the street. I didn't mind when it was just under the patio and decomposing on his front lawn, but the dog keeps dragging them onto my drive and the smell is quite unpleasant. Thing is though, he's a diamond geezer and despite being a serial killer, he's always happy to help with stuff around the house and he organised a brilliant fireworks display for the kids the other week.

I've half a mind to report him for littering, but I don't want to get him in trouble. Are there any other avenues I could explore? Anyone been in a similar situation and found a neighbourly solution?

How bad does a crime have to be before STW will report it......

Well, if it's someone else feed 'em to the pigs, if it's one of us however,

Legally, morally and in terms of anti social behaviour it's not the same thing.

Even if it quite demonstrably is (legally).

So we don't mind a trader selling cars off the street, and presumably acting as a private seller to avoid his obligations under the sale of goods act? I don't mind the neighbours scattering cars all over the place but I wouldn't be that happy if they were sitting there waiting to be sold!

A lot of presumptions there, keep going, there's still room for more...

Did I stutter?

No, but as a STW stammerer/stutterer I am now outraged and feel persecuted (well it's a demographic that hasn't been covered yet in this thread) 😆

Even if it quite demonstrably is (legally).

OH RLY???

Well this has snowballed was just seeking some advice...

lets hope he doesn't find out it was you who turned him over and decide to make Your life a misery in some other (not nice) way.
just a thought.

Lawnmanmx - as I said was just seeking advice, didn't specifically say i would do anything with it. I've not turned him over, and whilst I've been given lots of options ill decide what I feel is best. I wouldn't say he's making my life a misery but yes it's not good having 5 cars outside your house. Thanks for your thought.

If he's a ****t, which he sounds like, complain to the council.
You can report untaxed cars via the Dvla website and it won't be long until the anpr van arrives to check.
Failing that, dog sh1t in paper bag. Doorstep, light fire to bag, knock hard and run.

Could be worse, he could park a caravan in his front garden. That will take 15% off house prices in a 10 house radius. Scum.

"That will take 15% off house prices in a 10 house radius. Scum."

really ....

id hate to live next to any of you lot.

my neighbours are ace - they make noise at times - i make noise at times- give and take. - i have a half built car on my drive , i apologise and they ask why im apologising for it.... its a hobby - we all need em

that said im waiting for the day the planned "executive luxury homes" go into the field across the road and look at me..... that will result in some interesting conversations i'm sure.

bargain luxury home for the guy looking at my house im sure.

This place never ceases to amaze me.

Break the speed limit by a small fraction or get a borderline scam parking ticket and everyone and their mother are queuing up with [s]patronising[/s] helpful suggestions of variations on "you do the crime, you pay the price."

Yet, someone posts about a neighbour who aside from being a minor public nuisance may well be breaking any number of laws (infringement of the Clean Neighbourhood Act, trading from a residential property, driving without insurance, untaxed / un-SORNed vehicles on the public road, etc, etc) and everyone's here calling him petty and much worse and telling him to wind his neck in. Where are the self-righteous "BUT A LAW WAS BROKEN ZOMG!" brigade today then, is the Professionally Indignant AGM running at the moment or something?

+1 to that Cougar.

id hate to live next to any of you lot.

I was actually being sarcastic, though I genuinely do hate caravans with a passion, and wouldn't buy a house near where one was parked up 😉

I would; neighbours who own a caravan presumably go out a lot, and there's no better neighbours than ones who aren't there.

"Where are the self-righteous "BUT A LAW WAS BROKEN ZOMG!"

possibly waiting for proof an actual law has been broken rather than speculation one may have been broken.

just selling cars from ones home a trader does not make.... i sell cars from time to time at my house.... i have in the past had more than one for sale at once - does that make me a trader ?

I would; neighbours who own a caravan presumably go out a lot, and there's no better neighbours than ones who aren't there.

Those ones not so bad, but still a lot of an eyesore, imo of course. The ones that never move and are left to rot are much worse.

I also sympathise with the OP, wouldn't want 5 cars for sale outside my house. Just inverse snobbery on this thread.

Well done, you're all very ghetto.

Cougar - quality of driving is a matter of life and death, possible tax evasion issues aren't, generally.

Could be worse, he could park a caravan in his front garden. That will take 15% off house prices in a 10 house radius. Scum.

Bollocks.

"wouldn't want 5 cars[s] for sale[/s] parked outside my house."

OP states he had to look online to find out they were forsale.

i sympathise with him sure - i wouldnt dream of parking 5 cars on my street - i like my neighbours....but i still dont see other than being antisocial what hes done wrong in the eyes of the law provided they are all taxed /insured and tested - and not insured under a traders policy.......- if they are he hasnt a leg to stand on - hes a trader.

when i bought my house i paid extra (a tax if you will) to have room to park a few cars on my property to avoid just this situation.

and there's no better neighbours than ones who aren't there.

Could be worse, he could park a caravan in his front garden. That will take 15% off house prices in a 10 house radius. Scum.

When we were looking to buy we saw a great house, with a large campervan parked on the drive next door effectively blocking part of the view/light of the front bay window.

We didn't buy.

Trailrat- if you intend to make a profit, it's a trade, even if it's only once a year. Hope you and the original neighbour both advocate declaring income tax on any profits of a trade. HMRC's hidden economy folk would probably consider 5 cars at once to be a trading activity and might even take an interest if prompted.

Says a caravan owner (who consistently lacks demonstrable empathy, and fails to appreciate other peoples point of view). What a surprise.

Lol oh really. I'd love to see this demonstrated. Especially given I spend most of my time on here arguing for other people's points of view, that I don't even hold. I even get flamed for it.

Exactly why is my caravan such a bad thing on my property? Do you know where it's situated and in what position? Do you know whose view it blocks?

possibly waiting for proof an actual law has been broken rather than speculation one may have been broken.

Like the one he's definitely breaking as mentioned on the first page of this thread (and again in my post), for instance?

The others are speculation, sure (that's what 'may' means), but if he's reported, the police look at it and decide he's operating within the law, no-one's lost anything (other than a bit of police time) and the OP can have his mind put at rest.

Cougar - quality of driving is a matter of life and death, possible tax evasion issues aren't, generally.

I'll remind you of that should you ever get knocked off your bike by an uninsured driver.

Is there a list of crimes which are and aren't 'proper' crimes somewhere then? Just wondering, so I can correctly calibrate my moral compass to STW standards.

Exactly why is my caravan such a bad thing on my property?

It tells everyone you're a caravan owner.

Says a caravan owner (who consistently lacks demonstrable empathy, and fails to appreciate other peoples point of view). What a surprise.

PS you really should pop into a religious thread as he is irritatingly effective at displaying empathy and appreciation others views. The only true thing there is he is a caravan owner basically.

EDIT: christ on a bike it got worse . IMHO ignore the obvious Clarkson style trolling Molly and happy caravanning

When we were looking to buy we saw a great house, with a large campervan parked on the drive next door effectively blocking part of the view/light of the front bay window.

We didn't buy.

not at all, he saw it clearly

I prefer neighbours you never hear rather than neighbours you never see FWIW

You appear to be confusing neighbours with "children." Easy mistake to make, children are usually smaller and harder to get rid of.

grey area.

FWIW ive never intentionally made a profit on a sale as i buy old cars cheap run em into the ground as second cars and flog em on for market value or should i count my cheap motoring miles as profit 😉

It tells everyone you're a caravan owner.

Maybe I'll move it round the front now, if it keeps Clarksonites away 🙂 Having said that the bloke opposite seems to have moved out along with his BMW 635 convertible and Audi A8.

Thanks Junkyard, you still coming down for the Velothon Wales? 🙂

Are you capable of understanding that a significant proportion of people would not want a caravan parked in the driveway next to their house?

Yeah, I am. I don't really want dozens of cars parked all over the road in the way of everyone when they could be on driveways; I don't really want the access roads to the estate blocked by car-sharers either, but sometimes you just have to let it slide.

When I decided to park the caravan there (next to my house, not next to anyone else's) I thought carefully about whether or not it would inconvenience anyone, and I decided it was no worse than all the other vans and cars in the street.

If anyone objects to caravans specifically then they should probably sit down and have a think about their irrational dislike of caravans.

ah yes , with the tact the police have i dont suggest calling them round to look....

they will arrive in a liveried up wagon - look at the issue decide A or B and then come to the OPs door to tell him...

clearly showing the OPs neighbour who ratted on him.

- this actually happened , only it was one of the lads on my lane and a group of caravan dwellers camped out in a field opposite his house.

his life was hell till they left.

"Are you capable of understanding that a significant proportion of people would not want a caravan parked in the driveway next to their house?"

they have housing estates for people like that.

similar to the one that the housing association on a fife estate of old people that told my mate he had to get rid of his car as it was too old to be in the estate.....

maybe those who feel he's not hurting anyone by clogging up the road with cars can provide their addresses and let him leave his stock outside their house 🙂

crack on .

dont bet on it lasting too long - someone parked their golf between my drive and the road end last weekend and went for a walk- i did suggest it was a bad idea but got told "its taxed and insured theres nothing you can do about it"

tractor took his wing mirror off.

i did have wee chuckle to my self when they came back.

Yunki 😀

You never know... it might help 🙂

When I decided to park the caravan there (next to my house, not next to anyone else's) I thought carefully about whether or not it would inconvenience anyone, and I decided it was no worse than all the other vans and cars in the street.

If anyone objects to caravans specifically then they should probably sit down and have a think about their irrational dislike of caravans.

This doesn't quite add up. If your caravan is parked so inconspicuously, and you don't really see the problem with caravans parked on typical UK front gardens, why so defensive?

I was defensive because you were offensive.

You assumed I'm a thoughtless git annoying my neighbours even though you have absolutely no knowledge of the situation.

If you are speaking out against thoughtless people then go ahead, I'll join you. However thoughlessness is not linked to being a caravan owner!

It is an explanation
First you say he has no empathy then you say he is defensive when he says he thought about others
Its almost as if you wish to just argue with him and call him names no matter what he says
YAWN
EDIT: I am so slow at posting erm what he said

I've just had a great idea.
I'm going to start selling caravans.
Park them on the street for maximum exposure.
Can nobody here please tell HMRC?

[i]you're[/i] a caravan

So he's guilty of a nuisance offence. Big deal. I suppose it's convenient that nobody has quoted Part 4 of the act:

[b]Repairing vehicles on a road[/b]

(1)A person who carries out restricted works on a motor vehicle on a road is guilty of an offence, subject as follows.

(2)For the purposes of this section “restricted works” means— .

(a)[b]works for the repair, maintenance, servicing, improvement or dismantling of a motor vehicle or of any part of or accessory to a motor vehicle; .

(b)works for the installation, replacement or renewal of any such part or accessory.[/b] .

(3)A person is not to be convicted of an offence under this section in relation to any works if he proves to the satisfaction of the court that the works were not carried out— .

(a)in the course of, or for the purposes of, a business of carrying out restricted works; or .
(b)for gain or reward. .

(4)Subsection (3) [b]does not apply where the carrying out of the works gave reasonable cause for annoyance to persons in the vicinity[/b].

(5)A person is also not to be convicted of an offence under this section in relation to any works if he proves to the satisfaction of the court that the works carried out were works of repair which— .

(a)arose from an accident or breakdown in circumstances where repairs on the spot or elsewhere on the road were necessary; and .

(b)were carried out within 72 hours of the accident or breakdown or were within that period authorised to be carried out at a later time by the local authority for the area.

(6)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale.

(7)In this section— .

“motor vehicle” has the same meaning as in the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978;

“road” has the same meaning as in the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984;

“local authority” has the meaning given in section 9.

So, hands up who hasn't worked on their car in any way shape or form on the road (also, hands up who has owned a house with no off site garage or driveway).

And Cougar, I could have sworn it was the other way around what with the amount of "here's how to get out of paying parking fines" suggestions I've read on here.

okayyy....really wasn't difficult to touch a nerve on this one. Just comes across as denial. I'll leave it at that.

Oops, I'm guilty of working on my car on the road. I needed a flat place to work...

Oops, I'm guilty of working on my car on the road. I needed a flat place to work...

You monster.

I could have sworn it was the other way around what with the amount of "here's how to get out of paying parking fines" suggestions I've read on here.

Parking [i]charge.[/i]

Councils and the police (and TfL) are special cases, but private companies [i]cannot[/i] issue fines. I appreciate that this may appear to be linguistic pedantry, but it's an important distinction because the social / moral implications of "getting out of paying a fine" are very different from challenging an unfair invoice.

If your window cleaner stuck a letter through your door one day billing you for £200 (down to £100 if you pay within 7 days) because your windows were a bit dirtier than normal, would you go "well, it's my own fault for not removing that bit of bird poo last week" and cough up?

(And if so, yell if you need your windows cleaning and I'll be right round.)

So, hands up who hasn't worked on their car in any way shape or form on the road (also, hands up who has owned a house with no off site garage or driveway).

Did you forget sections 3A and B?

(3)A person is not to be convicted of an offence under this section in relation to any works if he proves to the satisfaction of the court that the works were not carried out— .

(a)in the course of, or for the purposes of, a business of carrying out restricted works; or .
(b)for gain or reward. .

I suppose it's convenient that nobody has quoted Part 4 of the act:

I don't know about convenient. Irrelevant, maybe. Where's anyone said the neighbour is working on the car?

Ransos, read subsection 4

Ransos, read subsection 4

Working on a single car in the road is unlikely to cause reasonable annoyance.

I know we dont do nuance but surely it depends what you are doing
If you are respraying it then it will annoy others
If you are doing tons of welding and using power tools , a compressor and making lots of noise and dust then again it will

If you are just tinkering quietly then it wont.

Ransos....sounds good , ill bring my landy round to your street and not cause reasonable annoyance repairing it 🙂 - oh did i mention its just a chassis and axles atm....needs more welding , respraying and reassembly.

Tis ok , its only a single car though.

Ransos....sounds good , ill bring my landy round to your street and not cause reasonable annoyance repairing it - oh did i mention its just a chassis and axles atm....needs more welding , respraying and reassembly.

Are you having trouble with the meaning of "unlikely"?