[Closed] Nearly died today. Not a good day. 🙁

Fair enough MF My post is a day later tho

Paul, Totally shocked to read this post, albeit a bit late.. hope you recover from your injury quickly and the lads recover from their ordeal and enjoyed the birthday party. Speak to you soon. Atb Phil

Thank God you are all OK.

Thanks for the good vibes all.
Kids fine, Birthday party went off a treat. Eldest a bit wary getting in the car again, didn't want me to drive at first.
Me feeling better today, if a bit sore. Had a quick spin around the block on the bike this evening, planning gentle ride into work tomorrow. Thought of sicking it but hate being home bored etc.

Facts, travelling at just shy of 70mph. Had my boys in the car FFS, not a risky driver anyway, especially with my family in tow. Long sweeping bend, slightly downhill. Road damp, not raining at time.
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Car, 7yr old Rover 25 TDi. Had service & MOT last week. Two new tyres on rear, CV joints & wheel bearing on front. Car only does 2000 miles P/A.
Noticed that the rear felt a little lighter, almost like it was over-steering a couple of times, put it down to new tyres. Was no sudden inputs, braking etc, literally driving along & as we entered the bend the rear lost grip. Fought with steering but was no use, car just spun. Felt bang we hit the barrier, skidded along then tipped onto side. Remember hearing kids screaming "Daddy" at this point.
Honestly cant remember doing anything other than driving along. Witnesses told the Police car just seemed to spin for no reason.
Not sure who to speak to with regards to inspecting the car etc.

A really lucky escape from the sound of it.

I know the feeling of the rear end getting light, it happened to me in my panda 4x4 once, but that was in the snow, not on a normal road in what passes for summer.

Really glad you are all ok and that the party went off ok too. Give the boys time. They'll get over it.

Don't blame yourself either. Could you have done anything to prevent the accident? From the sounds of things, no.

I'm glad you were all fine, I can't imagine how terrifying it must have been.

I hope this isn't inappropriate, but...

I do feel that cars are inherently unsafe, relying as they do on the vagaries of road conditions, driver skill/concentration/patience, and a little driving test to keep them from flipping upside down at 70 on a motorway with two kids in the back. I recognise that some people can't live without their cars in our car-society, but with all the deaths, the accidents and the pollution they cause, surely we must be able to see that there has to be a better system of transport, city and intercity.

Anyhoo, take care of yourselves out there everyone!

First of all, glad you're ok.
To me this sounds very much like aquaplaning. A damp road is bound to have a few wet patches and this could be what's done it.
It happened to me on a damp dual carriageway once - the car leapt to one side for no reason.

Well, there was a reason. I'm going to * ** ** * * ** *****

****, were the tyres budgets? What brand were they? I bought a MX5 with 4 budget tyres on (Hard compound for the south African market). They were utterly evil. The car broke viscously on the rear with the front over/understeering at the sametime at the slightest hint of moisture. They were changed quicktime.

Thank **** your ok. Kin hell. With nippers in as well. Someone was smiling on you 😀

Glad you're all OK. Not been in any big car accidents, but even little ones are super scary. The concept of flipping a car? Just... urrgh...

Two new tyres on rear,

What pressure had the garage that fitted them pumped them up to? Had you checked them since? What kind of quality where they?

I know when I get my tyres changed, the guy pumps them up WAY hard to get them to seat properly, then drops the pressure to the right level. Did this happen?

I'm kinda with TJ (shock/horror!) on this. Sh!t does not just happen - there's always a reason. In this case it could be diesel, could be tyres, could be both at once. Don't stress about it, get self accusatory etc. The worst DIDN'T happen, miss is good as a mile etc. But find out why, and learn from it.

We hit a roundabout at about 70 racing a Transam (Croma i.e Turbo) when we were teenagers. We beat him to the roundabout first and well, flipped/somersaulted over it. Ended up on the roof and the only 'damage' was cubes of glass in our shoes and hair. ****!

I'm not sure that no crashes happen without someone making a mistake. Sometimes bad things just happen, there's no preventing them.

Paul really glad to hear your youngster's and you are safe.

Glupton you really have surpassed yourself as Clown King of STW

Jebus!

Glad to hear the cake survived!

Sounds like one of those accidents where the other 999 out of 1000 times you attempted it all would have been fine, then one day 70+new tires+diesel+rain+slight bend = disaster.

I do feel that cars are inherently unsafe, relying as they do on the vagaries of road conditions, driver skill/concentration/patience, and a little driving test to keep them from flipping upside down at 70 on a motorway with two kids in the back. I recognise that some people can't live without their cars in our car-society, but with all the deaths, the accidents and the pollution they cause, surely we must be able to see that there has to be a better system of transport, city and intercity.

Glupton you really have surpassed yourself as Clown King of STW

Eeek, glad you're all OK chap, not too far away from me either.

I do feel that cars are inherently unsafe, relying as they do on the vagaries of road conditions, driver skill/concentration/patience, and a little driving test to keep them from flipping upside down at 70 on a motorway with two kids in the back. I recognise that some people can't live without their cars in our car-society, but with all the deaths, the accidents and the pollution they cause, surely we must be able to see that there has to be a better system of transport, city and intercity.

+1
Can't argue with any of that.

Apart from I'm getting a car at the end of the month..........

TJ did someone give you a double Mickey Finn yesterday?

I do feel that cars are inherently unsafe, relying as they do on the vagaries of road conditions, driver skill/concentration/patience, and a little driving test to keep them from flipping upside down at 70 on a motorway with two kids in the back. I recognise that some people can't live without their cars in our car-society, but with all the deaths, the accidents and the pollution they cause, surely we must be able to see that there has to be a better system of transport, city and intercity.

Wrong thread though for this sort of discussion! You are going down the route/arguement that ultimately says 'remove all risk from society. Should concrete pillars in Railway stations be foam-coated as well incase someone walks into them. Society needs risk and going down the over-safety route will just make society weaker..

Railway stations

Bring back the horse and cart (but restrict them to 2mph and remove the horse's teeth to reduce risk of biting)...

MF.....hmmmmm people will slip and fall in the horse manure. Too risky.
We would need a H&S Consultant with a report before we could allow this.

🙂

My initial thought was new tyres as I mentioned on the first page, but I thought you would reply & say that they've not been replaced!

How many miles had you done since they were put on? I have had tyres that have needed about 700 miles before they felt 'bedded in' - I think that a lot of it has to do with the mould release agent.
I nearly binned my Fiesta after putting some new Vredestein Hi-tracs on the rear. I'd had them before with no bother, but this set just felt different. Even my partner from the passenger seat noted that the car felt different - it felt less stable through corners/braking etc. and was generally a bit squirmy. Then literally within the space of about 10 miles on a country road I could feel them getting grippier & from then on they were fine.

Some tyres you don't notice any change at all and other tyres you can feel for a couple of hundred miles.

A girl I used to work with had her bloke ring up one morning at work & he'd had new tyres fitted to his MX-5, got about 5 mins from the fitters & stuck it backwards through a hedge. Apparently the first thing the Policeman who attended asked him was whether he had new tyres fitted.

Have you checked the tyre pressures as suggested above? I guess the car has been recovered, but it would be worth trying to get the information. I had some tyres put on my Ibiza about 18 months ago and upon checking the pressures, one was 6psi over what is should have been and the other was 5 under - the car felt well squiffy on the way home.

Anyway.......am pleased that everyone is OK, if a little shook up!

Glad the OP and kids are ok.
Time heals everything, just dont stop driving otherwise you'll reinforce the "fear".
Im still pretty nervy in wet weather having spun a car off into a field years ago (my own fault!)
Saturday seemed pretty bad around Portsmouth after a day of drizzle. Saw 2 cars that had spun off the road, so you're not alone.
Ignore TZF as he wrote the police driving handbook and therefore is fit to comment on anything related to motoring.

Where as I'm glad nobody was seriously injured because of your accident, I think you're stupid, and I feel sorry for your children, you could have finished them !.

[i]travelling at just shy of 70mph - Long sweeping bend, slightly downhill. Road damp[/i]

[i]Noticed that the rear felt a little lighter, almost like it was over-steering a couple of times[/i]

Just what were you waiting for ? a big flashing neon sign in the sky saying SLOW DOWN, STOP, CHECK OUT WHY YOUR CAR FEELS "[i]almost like it was over-steering a couple of times[/i].

Obviously you weren't paying attention, you're lucky you didn't finish yourself or anyone else.

In future you may wish to check your tyre pressures regularly, drive within the limits of the prevailing road conditions and layout, and within your own driving ability !.

If your car doesn't "[i]feel[/i]" correct, you shouldn't continue to use it until its sorted.

I hope, for yours and the sake of all around you, that have learnt something.

Arrive Alive !

🙄

CC.

Captain_Crash - Cruel but I think you have a fair and valid point.

Taki is a boy racer I,ve heard his bad boy tunes rallying around Lichfield!

Lucky boy and kids!

Rich

H.

I aint out to [i]get[/i] anyone, but after reading this thread, I felt I had something to give.

CC.

Capn' Crash theres an S-bend leading into Manchester that Ive taken fruitily at times- coming out of the 'S' in torrential rain the back end snapped out, I lifted so it pendulum-snapped completely the other way so I booted it. Looked in my mirrors and every other driver had held waaay back (obviously thinking I was going to be hanging in street furniture.

That was bloody dumb- torrential rain and enter the S-bend at speed. Learnt my lesson 😀

Thank god you are all OK.

Noticed that the rear felt a little lighter, almost like it was over-steering a couple of times, put it down to new tyres

Interesting. Seems weird to me that new tyres would be that dodgy. I've never noticed much difference with new tyres before unless really pushing it - and it sounds like you weren't. The fact that something felt different on a number of occasions previously points to something wrong with the car rather than the road conditions tbh. The only time I ever had a car feel particularly skittish was when I upped the tyre pressures to the max to see if it saved fuel. After cornering on a rough bit of country lane I put them down again pretty damn sharpish. That though wasn't lightness, but skittishness - really felt like tyres too hard. I've also known garages pump the tyres up way too hard too.

I did hear of someone once tell me that losing a spoiler made their car feel really light - perhaps those little ones do something after all...

Could be a rear wheel bearing, if it seized up it would cause you to get a swapper on on a damp road.

While I've never had a good new tyre feel slippery even when fresh-on (after the first 50 yards of driving), I've certainly come acropper with cheap/budget tyres - never making that mistake again. Often they are fine in the dry but in the wet they become horrendously dangerous. I have two "DoubleStar" tyres on at the moment, as soon as it becomes wet I can spin the wheels in 3rd at 30 (90hp DT!) and stopping becomes a work of predicting which soft verge is best for slowing without damage. They're currently being replaced.

Other things to have checked (police probably will anyway)....

2 occasions now I've come away from car repairs and had to stop 100 yards up the road and torque my wheel nuts as they were totally loose (to the point of the caliper catching the rim) it was wobbling that much.

Road surface - a family member span and flipped a car at 40 (in a 60) in the dry after hitting a section of carriageway that basically crumbled as the tyre went over it - a subsequent investigation from the council found it to be massively substandard and dangerous.

As mentioned above - wheel bearings. Caliper seized? Spring collapse?

But always bear in mind that white lines are not very grippy and crossing them on bends isnt the best option if possible!

Get back out there, glad you're safe and well!

I think you're stupid, and I feel sorry for your children, you could have finished them !.

Obviously this hasn't entered my thoughts. 😐
But I'll take your kind advice.
PT.

Funnily enough was chatting with one of my partners at work today, and he was the off-duty GP who stopped to help you on Saturday.

Sarcasm from the person who nearly wipes themsleves out and others from their imediate family as well as possibly others road users.

Staggering !.

CC.

Kramer, please please pass on my sincere Thanks to the guy.

Captain_Crash, apologies for the sarcasm, I know you're only expressing an opinion.

Cheers STW.

takisawa2 been working in the car trade a few years (10 ish years and been a mechanic since 17) there is something about those TDI's (and early k series 91 plate) that caused oil seals to fail on the offside (drivers side) and dump oil onto the tyre and wheel.

it happened to me in a 25, going round a sweeping bend at 55 ish, i was lucky that it wasn't wet, wheel went light as i turned left round the bend, next thing was i was at 90 degree's to the road (almost at that stage where grip returns and flips the car), lucky i span the wheel to the right and saved it (all thought the car was covered with oil over the driver side front wheel) and got out the fish tail. since then i've seen a few petrol and diesel 25's drop oil over the drivers side front wheel and cause a few accidents.. only no rover to answer to the issues. for those that don't believe me google it.

just suggesting the oil seal may be blown/ split classic on the rover engine series. Would be not your fault and maybe a bit off your mind.
hth

Having read all the verbage now written apart from being lucky I think the lesson is it could happen to any of us. Crashes can occur at 30mph never mind short of 70mph. There may even have been oil on the road, we 'may' never know.

I drive all motorways in the UK at at least 70mph (snow aside!)- never had any problems in over 20years of driving - lucky perhaps but not sure I would say anything against Takisawas driving - it could happen to any of us.

Just glad everyone's o.k. - cars are replaceable.

Be safe out there people...

Sarcasm from the person who nearly wipes themsleves out and others from their imediate family as well as possibly others road users.

Do you honestly think he needs this pointing out? Seriously? What in his posts makes you think he is completely happy with what happened and needs a telling off from you to make him think about his driving?

You are surely a troll tho.

Noticed that the rear felt a little lighter, almost like it was over-steering a couple of times, put it down to new tyres

This made me think about when I got some new tyres fitted to my car and it also felt light/twitchy at rear.
Tyres were branded and same spec as originals and all looked fine.
I had the feeling that they may have been uderinflated but a visual check said otherwise so I checked the pressure anyway 65 PSI 😯 they should have been 30.
Dozy c*** at tyre place got sacked for it after I complained.So may be worth checking.

You are surely a troll tho.

I Blame it on the Boogie.

mastiles_fanylion - Member

Unfortunately the self-righteous is in the ascendency on this forum at the moment

Jeez you are no one to talk. remember the dambuster thread?

Well look on the bright side- all are well 🙂 and at least thats another Rover off our roads.

Can we not swap Rudeboy for Glupton / smee / tzf ??
We all know he has typing torrets syndrome, but he is not a complete tard.

Just wondering , Did the airbags deploy as is was a side impact?

Airbags frontal dont deploy in side impacts? Only side airbags, doubt a rover has those?