Statistically, family members are still the biggest threat to kids.
Have you forgotten the 'dogs not on leads' thread!
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FFS he's only a harmless old peado who gets off on raping babies, it's not like he parks his van inconsiderately on the pavement or argues about who is responsible for the boundary fence out back. Just think yourself lucky he doesn't hate cyclists.
Can he advise on acceptable tyre tread depth?
Johndoh, you seem to be very tolerant of the "otherly aroused"... Just an observation.POSTED 8 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST
Nice move. Care to expand on this observation?
Actually ignore my last post - clearly this thread has run its course,
councilof10 - MemberWhat a curious thing to say! Would you like a link to a news report about his conviction?
Yes.
Have/has anyone qualified in the Legal profession actually made comment on the OP (and others) proposed actions ?
Or is the thread just "whataboutery" ??
If his defence is genuine, Then he’s got the same ethics as anyone who supplies drugs, stolen gear, etc. It’s just he was peddling in genuine human misery to satisfy some sick individuals to make a few quid.
His moral compass isn’t a Silva.
Then he’s got the same ethics as anyone who supplies drugs, stolen gear, etc.
Genuine question - You really think those things are similar to selling photographs of babies being raped?
I agree that all 3 things can cause misery and suffering but are they comparable?
Yeah, i do. It may be sliding scale of twisted morality, but to profit off illegal products, with zero care about the human carnage it causes, same set of ethics.
I know they like to act like they have a moral code, but they’re all the same, either on a minor level or a major level they profit on others misery. And that’s what it’s about, profit. That’s if his defence is genuine. If he got satisfaction from the images, then that’s a different issue.
I don't think there's any doubt that he got pleasure from the images himself, he mistakingly thought that people would take a less dim view of his actions if he claimed that he was just being entrepreneurial.
Safe to say that it was more a case of turning his hobby into a small business...
[url= http://www.thelawpages.com/court-cases/Croft-Brown-7961-1.law ]Croft Brown[/url]
If his defence is genuine, Then he’s got the same ethics as anyone who supplies drugs, stolen gear, etc. It’s just he was peddling in genuine human misery to satisfy some sick individuals to make a few quid.
There's no money in distribution of IIOC, maybe in subsequent blackmail, too much of it is available for free
Seems odd. Plenty of regular pron available free, but it's still a massive industry.
Having read the news article and the brief from the link. 2 years?? The guy was also a Dad (poor children)
Seems he's appeared on the Facebook UK paedos exposed site, about 2 years ago.
He has 2 adult daughters - one lived at home at the time of his conviction and moved on shortly after his release. His other daughter and son-in-law used to visit regularly but seem to have stopped since she had a baby.
I have no sympathy for this type of predator. They are wired up wrong and have no place in normal civilisation. I know someone in their 60's who is still mentally scarred from being abused as a child by someone in a position of authority.
nealglover - Member
Seems odd. Plenty of regular pron available free, but it's still a massive industry.
I investigated IIOC full time for work for a couple of years, plenty of forums dedicated to sharing and p2p options as well all free. These deviants are happy to / get a kick from sharing stuff. Money is in other streams which I should imagine no one really wants to know about. tbh the work has made me quite unwell so I have to stop here.
I have no sympathy for this type of predator. They are wired up wrong and have no place in normal civilisation. I know someone in their 60's who is still mentally scarred from being abused as a child by someone in a position of authority.
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I normally stay away from this sort of thread but...
As a father of 3, and a grandfather of 2, I would want someone to let me know that someone like this was living nearby and initiating contact with kids. The justice system has deemed that he has served his debt to society and is fit to be back living with his family (what sort of woman is his wife to take him back in?), unfortunately the justice system is often at odds with what society thinks or feels.
The difference between humans and animals is to know right from wrong, and the ability to act upon that knowledge accordingly. This 'thing' decided that he would either enjoy, or make profit from, the abuse and terror of defenceless children and as such I have no regard for him at all. If he suffers every minute of every day of the rest of his miserable life that wouldn't come anywhere near the suffering of the poor kids involved. In fact if the OP punched him in the face once a week to increase that suffering then that would be ok with me!
I realise that this view is at odds with a lot of views of people on here but these crimes are so bad that I would exclude these animals (as that is what they are as they act on instinct rather than reason) from society.
tbh the work has made me quite unwell so I have to stop here.
Kilo, I know someone who had to investigate this and had to view the videos to get evidence, it affected him deeply. I couldn't do it, and the people who do are real heroes!
Real thanks to you Kilo from the people who can't do it.
In fact if the OP punched him in the face once a week to increase that suffering then that would be ok with me!
Leave it with me! 😉
Seriously, I agree 100% with those sentiments, I do have a degree of sympathy for anyone unlucky enough to be wired up this way (I firmly believe it's just the way they're born) but acting on those urges, knowing the legality, and the misery those actions cause make these people beyond contempt.
What worries me most is that we're becoming desensitised to it. It happens so regularly that people just seem to shrug their shoulders and ignore it. And in my case, people are so ambivalent of his crimes that they'd rather sweep it under the carpet than let the thought of a convicted paedophile living in their midst ruin their little rural idyll.
I'm very much of the same school of thought as Spursn above - he should never be allowed to enjoy an ordinary life. He clearly feels no shame for his crime, so society should ostracise him.
From that link,
[i]"He pleaded guilty to [b]making[/b] distributing and possessing indecent images and videos of children..."[/i]
He was making them? That shines a new light onto this tale.
councilof10 - Member
In fact if the OP punched him in the face once a week to increase that suffering then that would be ok with me!
Leave it with me!
Perhaps laws and not naming publically/labelling is protecting the rest of the world from spending time for unprovoked attacks on people. You are not the law, you are not the justice system.
I do have a degree of sympathy for anyone unlucky enough to be wired up this way (I firmly believe it's just the way they're born) but acting on those urges, knowing the legality, and the misery those actions cause make these people beyond contempt.
Exactly. As I said on a previous thread, we shouldn't condemn someone for being a paedophile, but we should in the strongest possible way condemn someone who is an [i]active [/i]paedophile.
What worries me most is that we're becoming desensitised to it. It happens so regularly that people just seem to shrug their shoulders and ignore it.
I really do not think that's the case at all. If anything people are more aware of it now, 70s and 80s seem more evident that such things were swept under the carpet by many in various authorities.
The link is asking for a log in so I can't read it.
He was making them? That shines a new light onto this tale.
Downloading an image is effectively making a copy. The offence of "making an image" doesn't mean he was actually taking the original picture, just making copies.
That's what I believe too Perchy but not sure.
KIlo thank you for you work in catching and prosecuting these indivifduals I've been unfortunate in what I have seen but I can not comprehend what you must of had to view and experience. Another person if I meet up with I will buy at least one pint.
What worries me most is that we're becoming desensitised to it. It happens so regularly that people just seem to shrug their shoulders and ignore it.
Sorry, but this is complete rubbish.
if anything, it's the total opposite of this.
Was just about to echo the thoughts of spursn17, people like kilo are under appreciated heroes.
Sorry, but this is complete rubbish.
Neal, I'm speaking from actual experience, so don't tell me it's rubbish.
My garden is a large wooded area. Children from a nearby road sometimes play in the wood, and to do so, they have to scramble through his overgrown garden.
One of their fathers came looking for a football, so I mentioned that he might want to be a bit careful letting his kids (under the age of 10) clamber through a paedophile's garden alone.
Guess what... He shrugged his shoulders. So don't tell me I'm talking rubbish! Do you have any direct experience??
Err, yeah. Volunteered to work with kids recently? Having to jump through hoops to get DBS done, then mandatory safeguarding training done.
I don’t think anyone apart from asshats doesn’t take child protection seriously. You’re basing that statement from interaction with one bloke, I recently worked at a Scout/Guides MOOT. The safeguarding procedures they had in place were akin to the security at Camp Bastion. I was bloody impressed.
You’re basing that statement from interaction with one bloke
No I'm not, that was one example. If you've read the whole thread, I've talked at length about the attitudes of villagers where it's "not something we talk about" because they'd prefer to forget that we have a monster living in our midst.
Well, if they don’t want to know or talk about it, you can’t make them. If you want to raise your concerns with the police, then morally you’ve done the due diligent thing. But outside of that, to them you’ll look like an arse if you make more noise.
I guess some people would rather live in ignorance than have an open conversation about this bloke. If the worst happens to their children then apart from him, they only have themselves to blame for failing to protect their kids.
And if I was in your shoes I’d take my kids up to him, present them, make sure he got a good look at them, send them on their way. He and I then would have a chat, where I’d tell him I know who he is and what’s he’s done, and to request that he nevers speaks, looks or even breathes in my children’s direction.
I wouldn’t threaten him, because ultimately some things are best left unsaid. I’d then go and explain to my children that he was a bad man and that they must never talk to him or go near him and if he approaches them they’re to tell me or another responsible adult immediately.
If he didn’t heed the warning. Then things would escalate and me and the local cops would be having a conversation and accusations would be made.
Well, if they don’t want to know or talk about it, you can’t make them. If you want to raise your concerns with the police, then morally you’ve done the due diligent thing. But outside of that, to them you’ll look like an arse if you make more noise.
Again, I think you've waded into a discussion without reading it. My concern is that there is a new generation of villager who has recently moved to the area (lots of new-build starter homes for young families) who know nothing about this man.
As several posters have said so far (you'd know this if you'd read it) have said they would definitely want to know. But the pervading attitude of "we don't talk about it" means these people are unaware that the friendly monoped who they and their kids wave to and bid a friendly 'good morning' is probably fantasising about raping them!
All right no need to be a arse, I could do the same and surmise that you’re just here to bump your gums but in reality you’ll do **** all about it.
If you genuinely have a concern, do something. You’ve been given from what I can see plenty of advice. So go act on it or don’t.
Moose, you've joined a discussion without reading any of it and accused me of various things from jumping to conclusions with little basis, and now you're calling me an arse for being frustrated with your attitude!
If you'd read any of the preceding 5 pages rather than try to pick holes in the discussion that were covered within those 5 pages, I might have a little more patience for your comments.
Right, I’ve just spoken to my cousin who is a cop, this is what she’s suggested, I’ve changed it as I don’t know where you are. Google Child Exploitation unit {insert your county or city/town force here} see what pops up and pick the most applicable. They should have a contact page, give them a call and arrange for a call/meeting. They will be aware of this man and his licences conditions. Explain your concerns, if he is breaking his licence then they should follow that up, but you may not know this. If he’s sailing close to the wind they will most likely go out and have a conversation with him and remind him of his conditions.
That is what is done by my cousins force. Give that a whirl, if that doesn’t satisfy you, then Try the local paper, if you’re somewhere near a big city they may have an invesatgitve jouranlist who may want to have a look at it. Apart from that, you need to decide how far above the parapet you’re willing to stick your head because there’s no real anonymous way of outing this man. And if you choose a variety of methods to do that, there will be some backlash and you need to be prepared for that.
I have read it, it’s mostly bollocks and assumptions. Some conclusions that I’ve apprared are bigger jumps than Evel Knievel ever managed.
It’s a no brainier if you’re so concerned you have to ask for peoples opinions. Do or do not. That’s your choice, you’ve been given a fair few options. So make a choice.
Do you have any direct experience??
Yes.
councilof10 - Member
In fact if the OP punched him in the face once a week to increase that suffering then that would be ok with me!
Leave it with me!Seriously, I agree 100% with those sentiments,
You guys could both follow through with your wishes and then the old bill could deal with you as they have done with the target. Win, win?
Hmmm...
Seems like
1) the OP hasn't yet bothered doing what sensible people here have suggested, discussing things with the Police re the terms of his release and registration.
2) The locals he demonises as not caring possibly might just not like the OP, who recently here, I believe, seemed unable to stomach any criticism of Jacob Rees-Mogg....
3) The OP might be a returnee to STW under a new name? Or have I got this wrong?
OP, have a chat with the police. I think your concerns are understandable, but need to be handled sensibly.
I still think you should steal his mechanical leg. It'll make him much slower
and now having named the person involved earlier, you've just threatened him on a public forum! This is why the public don't have an automatic right to know this information.councilof10 - Member
In fact if the OP punched him in the face once a week to increase that suffering then that would be ok with me!
Leave it with me!Seriously, I agree 100% with those sentiments, .
The person wandering through the garden might well have taken heid of your comments without it becoming melodramatic. Not everyone comes to the realisation that there are bad people living near them and starts putting up bill boards and asking the Internet for advice. Of course based on your attitude here you might well have come across as passive aggressive and so failed to communicate the point you were trying to make.
Out of interest if your wife came home and said she thought you should move because of the risk he poses to your soon to be born child, would you be so keen to shout about the "pervert next door" knowing it would likely make it harder to sell your house?
Moose, you've joined a discussion without reading any of it and accused me of various things from jumping to conclusions with little basis,
Oh the irony .
A very interesting and disturbing thread , disturbing because it's almost made me feel like I want to side with the paedophile .
