[Closed] My old school teacher has just been done....

One of my teachers got done similarly, RE teacher and a big Christian as I recall- even bigger hypocrite.

we had an art teacher that was asked to leave after inviting to many girls back to clean the kilns out during lunch break.
when you look back loads of stuff didnt get dealt with the way it should have been.

We had a PE teacher who would tell us to stick our hands down our shorts and 'wrap them round our goolies' to keep warm. He would do the same thing. He would also come and stand on the edge of the showers and watch us soaping up and shout encouragement at us.

Looking back I realise he was a dirty old perv but it was nice to be naive back then.

Headmaster at my (mixed, boarding) prep school openly admitted he fancied one of the girls.

When it was his turn to patrol the dorms at lights out he'd sit on one of the girl's beds an slide his hand beneath the sheets.

Several teachers at my school had relationships with sixth formers, it wasn't tachnically an offence back in those days as the abuse of power rules or whatever they are called weren't in.

The metal work teacher who did it was married to one of the english teachers as well!

A friend of mine married her economics teacher, 12 years older than her. "Nothing happened" until they "bumped" into each other "by chance" her first trip home from Poly. Sounds dodgy looking back, but they are about to celebrate their 20th anniversary with their three kids, so it worked out OK.

At 6th form I remember one of the art teachers who had been up to no good with one of his pupils (she was 17 so it wasn’t exactly kiddie-fiddling) being hidden by the metal work teacher (my form teacher) in the design centre store room until he sobered up / calmed down after her dad came in to beat the crap out of him.

She was fit. He was a knob.

This was 25 years ago. I should imagine if it happened today it would be dealt with differently.

No, any person in a position of trust and authority who uses that to form relationships with kids is slime whether they keep it barely legal or not.

agree

when did mother nature tell you what she intended?

One of my teachers got done similarly, RE teacher and a big Christian as I recall- even bigger hypocrite.

We might have gone to the same school 😯

Now it is,quite correctly a breach of trust.If you taught him/her as a 17yo,you taught them as a 12yo.When did the attraction start exactly? I was at school in the 70's and 80's,like a lot of the posters we had the creepy teacher.I can say hand on heart that if that was to go on now,the staff would make a complaint before any pupil got the chance.

I believe at least five of my teachers were convicted of various dodgy offences after I left school. I think two have since committed suicide the others have moved far away and are keeping a low profile.

Bound to happen really, any job that involves contact with kids is going to attract people like this. Hopefully the safeguards that are in place now are stringer than they were back then...

TuckerUK does have a point, albeit mixed up with an interesting way of phrasing it. Adolescents that have reached the point where they can reproduce have long been pointed out as being more attractive by anthropologists. However, and this is the biggie, we as humans have control over all our actions and IMHO teaching staff should be able to maintain sufficient professional standards such that they do not become involved with their students, even if it is technically legal.

RE: The "peadophile" thing - I always thought there was a dictionary definition i.e. sexual attraction to prepubscents. As well as a legal definition, sexual attraction to children under the age of consent. I may well be wrong with this though.

My teacher from last year in primary school: http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4739537.Paedophile_Brindle_headteacher_jailed/

Seems his offences took place after he'd left that school but who knows.

One of my teachers got done similarly, RE teacher and a big Christian as I recall- even bigger hypocrite.

We might have gone to the same school

I was just thinking that myself. Catholic School by any chance? I had an RE teacher (and deputy head) who was the real "You're all sinners!!!! And you'll burn in hell" type

I know two girls who he touched up after luring them into some very dubious situations. Tosser!!!

My old Deputy Head / Art Teacher / RE Teacher got done for (allegedly) feeling girls (allegedly to see if they'd started wearing a bra) a short while after I'd left. Strange thing was we thought he was really in to boys.

Head teacher at same school was forced to leave for basically being a pansy.

Year Head at same school was forced to leave for bullying and humiliation. There was a weekly award for the naughtiest person of the week, which was to wear a vandalised toilet seat round the neck for the duration of that week's assembly. Something we saw funny, but obviously when all this PC nonsense came in, some parent (of the schools biggest vandal, ASBO/detty collector) decided it was breach of human rights 🙄

AFAIK all were just "asked to leave". Would be court case and signing a register now.

My mom told me about when she was about 12, her friend was touched up by one of the teachers. She told my mom, and her mom told her to tell her parents. Her parents told her to keep quiet and to never speak of it again, because otherwise she'd bring shame on the family.

A few years later the teacher was the subject of a police manhunt, because he did a runner with a 14 year old girl. My mom and her friend always felt a bit guilty that they'd kept quiet because he'd just kept on molesting girls, but it was the early 50s so it was difficult.

At our school we had a teacher who everyone called 'Creepy Clarkey'. No girl wanted to be left alone with him, ever. Don't know if he ever got done for anything though. I remember he once had to take over one of the PE sessions, and he got a girl to stand on a bench to retrieve a shuttlecock from one of the nets on the wall, and he was blatantly looking up her skirt.

Hopefully the safeguards that are in place now are stringer than they were back then...

Guess what one of the savings the government are making is...

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miketually - Member

Hopefully the safeguards that are in place now are stringer than they were back then...

Guess what one of the savings the government are making is...
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They're legalising noncing?

If you're referring to overhauling the CRB system then good, it's rubbish.

miketually - Member

Hopefully the safeguards that are in place now are stringer than they were back then...

Guess what one of the savings the government are making is...

...teaching english?

A stringer is a beam isn't it?

bravohotel8er is bang on. The CRB system is absolutely ludicrous. Completely farcical!!! It takes pointless bureaucracy to unimagined new levels. Even by completely mental New Labour standards. I'm sure that they were aiming for a point where every adult would have to have one as a matter of course. Probably every other week

My beloved works in the charity sector. As each CRB checks is non-transferable, she has to get a new one with every new organisation she encounters. She's presently had about 9,360 I think. They seem to be every other day. Every one of them time-consuming, expensive and utterly and completely unnecessary.

I'd love to see the figures to see if all this pointlessness has had even the slightest effect on incidents of kiddy-fiddling. I reckon I know the answer to that one though

My beloved works in the charity sector. As each CRB checks is non-transferable, she has to get a new one with every new organisation she encounters. She's presently had about 9,360 I think. They seem to be every other day. Every one of them time-consuming, expensive and utterly and completely unnecessary.

That'll stay.

It's the ISA that's being scaled back, where you'd only need to register once.

[i] RE teacher and a big Christian as I recall- even bigger hypocrite.
We might have gone to the same school [/i]

Me too! Was he a condescending hypcrite who judged everyone else while applying an entirely different ruleset to his own values?

Scottish system is changing next month to a 'passport' type system where you get one Scottish Criminal Records Office check done, and it follows you around. I don't know the full details of how it's going to work yet, as my organisation's training event isn't until next week, but it sounds hopeful.

Happens a lot by the sounds of things. At my school there used to be a lot of sixth-form / teacher shenanigans (pretty much 100% male teacher / female pupil) but this was stomped out by the time I left. All kept very discrete at the time, might have been 'frowned' upon but was certainly tolerated - those I knew about the teacher was usually in their early twenties.

We had a music teacher who was known to be a bit 'dodgy' - would invite boys back to his for 'recitals' (usually involving alcohol and cigarettes) but how he got away with it for so long is a mystery. I think he left 'under a cloud'. There was the PE teacher with a penchant for spraying a cold water hose on boys backs whilst they swam in the pool, he was sacked for some sort of improper conduct too.

The most infamous example was when we had a new, young science teacher join the school. Looked just like Mr Muscle from the cleaning ads. Was very 'right-on' and involved in sports clubs etc, big in the youth-church locally too; they all thought he was fantastic. Which I'm sure he was until he invited a bunch of lads back to his after football. He then proceeded to ply a couple of them with alcohol, get completely plastered himself and then, in a state of undress, make a series of indecent propositions to one particular lad. Who, being resolutely straight and built like the proverbial outhouse with a temper, proceeded to lay him out flat before calling his Dad, followed by the police.

We didn't see him again...

BlobOnAStick - Member

...teaching english?

A stringer is a beam isn't it?

Oi! Cut me some slack, "stringer" should've been "stronger". "o" and "i" are next to each other on the keyboard!

<grumble> Bl**dy STW pedants, picking up on the slightest mistake, not like they're always perfect, mutter, mutter...</grumble>

😉

Oi! Cut me some slack, "stringer" should've been "stronger". "o" and "i" are next to each other on the keyboard!

No excuse. Some people deserve bumming. 😉

One of my primary school teachers was done for having dodgy porn (on a departmental, non-user-specific laptop). He was eventually equitted as no-one could prove it was him and not someone else who borrowed the laptop before him, including his cleaner who had access as there were few security measures then, but had to go on the sex offenders register anyway. He's now out of work. He was the best teacher we ever had in primary school, organised all the trips away, took kids on outdoor ed weekends (and no, ntohing ever happened). He was genuinely one of the good guys and was shot in the face by a paranoid and idiotic world.

I lost count of the times I was bedded by voluptuous women teachers during my early teens. 😉

Fair point Harry.

<assumes position>

It's for your own good.

A teacher we had we used to call him Benny B....., he would only select the good loooking lads to be in his class, he always drew the blinds on his classroom on the ground floor when we where in there, and he also invited some of the fitter looking lads to his house, strangely they always got better marks than me, who wasnt invited, he also had a hatred of the girl students but would chat up the female staff quite often.

He was a horrible teacher, full of his self importance, and taught me very little about the subject, but a lot about mankind, it was the way he used to look at you, a look between hatred and lust, strangely last time i saw him he had a minibus full of young lads ,taking them to another school.

Finally he was married to cover up his perversions.

@ Peyote: 😳 sorry, I thought you meant "more stringent".

I'll pish off now..... 😉

project - Member

A teacher we had we used to call him Benny B....., he would only select the good loooking lads to be in his class, he always drew the blinds on his classroom on the ground floor when we where in there, and he also invited some of the fitter looking lads to his house, strangely they always got better marks than me,

This just tells us you're a munter 🙂

re the CRB it is far from perfect but I dont really see how letting unregulated and [largely] unsupervised access to kids /vulnerable adults will help the situation. Sadly abusers are drawn to occupations where they will have access to abuse. It is very difficult to abuse a person without direct contact obviously henc ethey choose jobs with access. By making this easier it is hard to see how this has reduced risk. They are now transferable and have been for a while Binners that is an individual authority decision FWIW - 6 mths is transferable iirc.
It is this typically strange attitude whereby the public are annoyed by checks [ I am not a nonce what do you mean offended stance] and annoyed when people in positions abuse[ PC gone mad, why cant we stop these monsters etc]. We really need to decide which is the lesser of two evils here. See also social workers who remove or dont remove kids for a similarly contradictory attitude.
re stopping offenders who knows but Huntely and others could not get jobs now so one would assume it has had an effect and possibly saved lives. Bit hard to check as I dount we will do a double blind study.

sorry to throw this in to such a discussion, but has anyone else got a google advert for "Britain's dream teachers" when viewing this thread?!

Coffeeking, that wasn't in Dundee was it?

Coffeeking, that wasn't in Dundee was it?

Nope, south of the border.

Posters with dodgy teachers: state school or public school?

has pleaded guilty to 14 counts.

typo?

Posters with dodgy teachers: state school or public school?

State.

typo?

? Why?

Sounds as if there was atleast one in every school. There was one obvious offender in my old school .. and my children tell me there is/was also another in the same school now.

Apparently - the teaching profession is a clear favourite career path for a large number of kiddie fiddlers of both sexes.

Posters with dodgy teachers: state school or public school?

I went to both, but only encountered dodgy teachers in the public schools. That's not to say they weren't there of course.

Hopefully the safeguards that are in place now are stronger than they were back then...

Do the "It's PC gone mad!" crew have a comment?

A grown man watching boys run through a shower 'to make sure they get clean' just isnt on.

Similarly the female p&e teacher was known to be a huge lesbian who also did this.

Back then though, when we were younger the penny didn't drop did it?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sex-between-teachers-and-pupils-can-be-educative--schools-chief-1068900.html

But he eventually got found out, no? IIRC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/325859.stm

Apparently - the teaching profession is a clear favourite career path for a large number of kiddie fiddlers of both sexes.

Err...no.Maybe we should all stop doing Duke of Edinburgh,running after school clubs,etc just because YOU seem to think we are a hotbed of child molesters, who obviously only do these things to provide us with opps to groom.

I find it hard to believe you are hearing allegations about a teacher from your kids and are not acting on them?

the teaching profession is a clear favourite career path for a large number of kiddie fiddlers of both sexes.

not sure about "clear favourite".... there's the scouts too.
EDIT - 😉 has to be included at this point to stop be being beaten up by the STW'ers involved with the scouts who have no intention of damaging our kids.

the cleverer "kiddie fiddlers" would gravitate towards jobs involving vulnerable children with little government monitoring (religious groups is a pretty common one for the paedophiles i've worked with)

WTF does

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A grown man watching boys run through a shower 'to make sure they get clean' just isnt on.

Similarly the female p&e teacher was known to be a huge lesbian who also did this.

Back then though, when we were younger the penny didn't drop did it?

Not entirely sure that's the same thing. Our PE teacher at high school watched everyone run into the shower and run out to check that everyone got a shower. Whether he got off on it or not, I don't care, he was still a good PE teacher and never touched anyone (other than one kid who wound him up for hours with abuse, then got taken into a side room, shouted at so loudly you could hear from 2 corridors away and left crying). He just counted people in and ensured everyone had gone past him, he didn't stand watching the showers. I do find it slightly disturbing that it's perfectly acceptable for boys to have communal showers where girls can have cubicles.

I'd also skirt controversy by suggesting that in college/university realms a student/teacher relationship isn't by definition "wrong" unless that teacher could influence the students outcome. Said student could meet the teacher elsewhere and have a fully legal relationship. High school and primary school clearly different matters of course.

Err...no.Maybe we should all stop doing Duke of Edinburgh,running after school clubs,etc just because YOU seem to think we are a hotbed of child molesters, who obviously only do these things to provide us with opps to groom.

I'm not sure Moorman was saying that all teachers and people who work with children are potential child molesters. I can see why it would be attractive to these kind of people though.

I suppose that's the problem with these kind of discussions, because they are so sensitive and emotional a lot can be read into a comment when it wasn't necessarily meant that way.

Unfortunately there is a lot of suspicion around teachers and people who work with children. As a male working indirectly with childrens, and vulnerable adults services, (in LA) I've been quite surprised at the amount of prejudice/suspicion levelled at teachers, nursery workers and childminders, particularly male ones (not by my colleagues I hasten to add! Well, not most of them anyway). If this is the kind of society attitude that we're dealing with it's not really any wonder that Duckman jumps to the defense so quickly...

I do find it slightly disturbing that it's perfectly acceptable for boys to have communal showers where girls can have cubicles

Just out of interest - why? I went to an all-boys school where we also did the cold shower sprint, after a dip in the best hot baths I have every shared with another man. i guess that's why I'm very relaxed about using communal changing rooms, seeing other men naked etc. I never understand why so many people get so twitchy about being naked around other blokes. Most of the girls I've done sports with have been right manky gits - would spend a couple of hours working out, then wait until they get home to shower. My wife is the same, even though she's confirmed (sadly) that the ladies changing rooms at our local gym is not a hotbed of sweaty sapphic naughtiness.

I suppose it's always possible that some of the other men in the changing room are getting a semi at the sight of me wet from the shower, but as long as they don't touch, where's the harm in that?

Girls tend to be more body conscious?

At my gym changing room last week I became aware of someone else clocking me.

Doesnt bother me. An admiring glance doesn't turn you 'gay'.

Saying that the dioty bugger was probably chucking me about in a few positions in his mind 😯

I am a teacher,which is why I am defensive about the job. I would suggest that it is rare for anybody to slip through the net nowadays,certainly into full time education. A lot of cases you now see involve incidents fron the 70's 80's and 90's.

I'd love to be a Judo teacher in a sixth form for girls 8)

Just out of interest - why?

Because it assumes privacy is more important for females than males, which I find a bit odd. I didn't mind getting changed in the communal rooms, but I'd have preferred a cubicle since the fairer sex had one it's clearly not impossible to implement. Basically it's just saying "it costs more so only the girls get it".

I never understand why so many people get so twitchy about being naked around other blokes

Hora's extremely relaxed about it. His unofficial attempt at the World record for daisy-chaining, carried out in the bushes near Sale Water Park, bares testimony to this.

Dedication. Ooooooooooooooooo dedication
That's what you neeeeeeeeeeed 😀

My form tutor from school:
[url= http://www.surrey.police.uk/media/news_item.asp?area=7&itemID=4873 ]http://www.surrey.police.uk/media/news_item.asp?area=7&itemID=4873[/url]

Nice bloke. Bit odd, but wouldn't have pegged him for this at the time. He was a physics teacher, so not much chance for inappropriate shower voyeurism.

Dave

Thankfully I never bother to breath in when I'm walking around in there. If I did I would worry myself 😆

quadra-spazzed on a lifeglug = Brasseye

Best to bear in mind that CRB checks etc only flag up the ones who have already been caught.

No system is foolproof, but repetitious time consuming bureaucracy for no reason is stupid. One passport style check, renewable every 2 years is all that's really usefully required (and two years may be too often?)

Mrsswadey works in child protection, has two CRBs for work (two jobs), one for each of the two pre-school she is on the committee for, one to help out in school and one as a Guide leader. Four of these CRBs are for the same county council FFS!

crb is renewable every 3 years we have had people commit offences during this time at work who did not declare it. CRB also included charges iirc so it will also flag up suspicious behaviour as well.
Obviously any system , CRB whatever, will only catch those we know about so it can hardly be used aginst it as a criticism.
Perhaps better if the approved organisations could just check with CRB using appropriate proof of ID and you only do the check with CRB rather than with the organisation.

CRB also included charges iirc will also flag up suspicious behaviour

That sounds like a typical bloody new-labourism. They really couldn't give a monkeys about peoples rights, or any kind of legal tradition at all, do they?

Who is it who will be deciding what constitutes 'suspicious behavior' then? The Poilce? God? And what evidence will be required to have that bunged on your record? Sounds very very dubious indeed

I find it hard to believe you are hearing allegations about a teacher from your kids and are not acting on them?

+1

Presumably you've since notified the relevant authorities?

I see things from Duckman's perspective. I get bored with the usual hysterical response from parents/guardians about a subject like this. I acknowledge that there are paedophiles in schools all over the world, abusing the position of trust given to them by committing heinous acts. I agree that safeguarding is essential to deal effectively with such individuals.

But from a PE teacher and SENCO, I can tell you that, during my career, the number of confirmed child abuse situations I've seen involving staff is one. And the number of confirmed child abuse situations that have arisen from internet grooming by strangers on forums are numerous.

So how many of you police the sites your children visit? And monitor their friend-lists? There are mechanisms in place to deal with abuses of power in schools; they're not fool-proof, but rest assured that there are plenty of good staff out there watching out for your kids.
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calm down my libertarian friend I explained it badly. Previous charges for sex crimes where you were not convicted that sort of thing. I dont mean you have a dodgy haircut and look like you might.
In all honesty if it protects just one kid form one kiddy fiddler once I will happily put up with the inconvenience of proving who I am, filling in a form and letting someone check to see if i have ever committed a criminal offence. It seems a small price to pay to protect children from abuse.

calm down my libertarian friend I explained it badly. Previous charges for sex crimes where you were not convicted that sort of thing. I dont mean you have a dodgy haircut and look like you might.
In all honesty if it protects just one kid form one kiddy fiddler once I will happily put up with the inconvenience of proving who I am, filling in a form and letting someone check to see if i have ever committed a criminal offence. It seems a small price to pay to protect children from abuse.

That of course means that one false charge and you're out of teaching for ever - you do realise that, don't you? One false charge and you've ruined someone's life, and not saved a single kid. That's why including "suspicious behaviour" is not on, and shouldn't be available to people outside the police. They, and only they, should be responsible for initiating an investigation if and when suspicious behaviour is flagged.

libertarian ???

Quick straw poll - anyone here *not* have a teacher rumoured to be a kiddie-fiddler or an uphill gardener?

When I was a lad, our resident kiddie-fiddler was the RE teacher (there's a theme here) and our token homosexual was the female PE teacher. Also, my mate Chris held hands with a girl, so he was gay too and had girl-bugs.

Fast-forward twenty years, an ex-pupil comes forward and fingers the RE teacher for inappropriate behaviour. Loads of staff and other pupils go on record as saying that he was nothing other than a model teacher, and it comes out in the wash that the lad had made it all up to try and get compensation (presumably because "everyone knew" despite there never being any victims whatsoever).

Conclusion: whilst it's undoubtable that there are abusive teachers, playground gossip is not the best source of information.

So how many of you police the sites your children visit? And monitor their friend-lists?

My sisters ex used to have to monitor & help ex offenders in the community, once found one of his clients had 300 teenage girls as friends on a facebook account!

Posters with dodgy teachers: state school or public school?

large state comp - I left in the late nineties...

That of course means that one false charge and you're out of teaching for ever - you do realise that, don't you? One false charge and you've ruined someone's life, and not saved a single kid. That's why including "suspicious behaviour" is not on, and shouldn't be available to people outside the police. They, and only they, should be responsible for initiating an investigation if and when suspicious behaviour is flagged.

Any allegations, of any sort are dealt with by the School in the first instance, GTC on a case by case basis after that.Then passed on to the police,if there is ANY suggestion of anything going on.So any case of somebody making up porkies to grind an axe will be filtered out.

That's why including "suspicious behaviour" is not on, and shouldn't be available to people outside the police

Libertarian- minimising the role of the state and believing in individual liberties/responsibilities - ie no checking of folk by the state for CRB

* under the rehabilitation of Offenders act you still need to declare an absolute discharge - which means innocent so there is precedence here for using non guilty/innocent charges that were levied.

...teaching english?

A stringer is a beam isn't it?

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and fingers the RE teacher

Freudian slip of the tongue?

crb is renewable every 3 years

. How long is a CRB check valid for?

Each CRB check will show the date on which it was printed.

CRB checks do not carry a pre-determined period of validity because a conviction or other matter could be recorded against the subject of the CRB check at any time after it is issued.

the teaching profession is a clear favourite career path for a large number of kiddie fiddlers of both sexes.

I thought that was Ice Cream Men?

IIRC, CRB checks do not show allegations. After Soham, the ISA was created, as they would also monitor allegations. The ISA operate on balance of probability, like civil courts, rather than beyond reasonable doubt, like criminal courts. It's the ISA system that's being scaled by by the coalition government, rather than the CRB checks.

I bow to your Googling prowess 😉
that link does not give a date either three years is best practice for renewal in service and guidance from CRB or secretary of state- cant recall which. They never suggested a date for renewal in service as they dont really want to commit to one at all hence the lack of date in your link. They know you could commit an offence after the date of the check in service but if you follow their rules the organisation would be in the clear. This is why 3 years is either guidance or best practice i forget which. I am not sure of the exact reason why three years was given/chosen iirc they wanted it every two years but the organisations deemed it too expensive. think of the cost to NHS for example of this for all staff every 2 years
You no longer need one when you apply for a new job within the three year period -continuity of service-as you used to have to get one every time you changed jobs but again organisations complained of the cost.
Hopefully my lack of accuracy and facts will show I am doing it from memory rather than Google 😆
FWIW I did not the quote above but three years is used by all LA's , charities, social service etc that I know.

PE teachers watching kids change? Shocked.

Perhaps they were checking to make sure that pupils had a shower that cleaned them so they don't smell like a donkeys armpit, because teenagers can be lazy and unhygienic. Or perhaps they could be checking for suspicious bruises indicative of possible child abuse? Or actually just monitoring kids behaviour? Cos thats what I do as a PE teacher.

Or perhaps in the overly sexualised hormone driven world that teenagers live in, we all thought that any adult that stands there while we are naked in 'gay', 'paedo' etc.