[Closed] My name is Keith and I'm the mayor of Islamabad

You are Nige Farrage and [s] a £%@face[/s] I claim my £5..

I wish Sadiq all the best. PM one day?

Not with a name like that. Perhaps he could change it to Steve ?

Didn't Farrage say after last GE that one reason UKIP had done less well in London compared to some other areas was because London folk tend to be better educated. Similarly for Goldsmith/Khan a campaign that plays to racism less likely to succeed amongst a better educated population. I note also that the Green party Candidate picked up a lot of votes.

What next? Someone called Hussein in the white house?

I think all we've learned here is drunk internet trolling wins everytime... 😆

Thank heavens we can only have a Protestant as a monarch

only came into being post WW2 so rather difficult to define a cultural heritage really.

Were you pissed when you wrote this?

I am , uncharacteristically, somewhat drunk

TBH I have no idea what your point is and it reads to me like I have offended you and you decided to have a pop. Fair enough but you are going to have to give me some context other than your memory, which cannot even work out this thread accurately.

Not with a name like that. Perhaps he could change it to Steve ?

The people of London welcome diversity.

+1.

#londonhasfallen

WTF DOES THAT MEAN??

Thank heavens we can only have a Protestant as a monarch

No, we just can't have a Catholic

intelligent articulate educated and successful man wins mayoral election

idiots highlight his religion

But it is worth highlighting, but not in a 'it's a bit creepy that we've elected a Muslim' kind of way. It's worth noting because in voting for him it was clear his race/religion was a non issue for enough white Londoners of Christian heritage that he got the job. And this is to be celebrated.

I don't know if I'm a bit sensitive to this (probably am) but I've become increasingly aware of an element of 'presumed racism' in white Caucasians from other ethnic groups. Hopefully this vote shows as proof positive this is not the case and we (white Caucasians) can't be lumped together as having a single stereotypical attitude.

What's going on?
We live in a tolerant, increasingly multicultural society, which is prepared to put it's trust in a fellow Briton by electing him to a position of high office.
Surely this is what Del was seeking to highlight? Or maybe not.

I've become increasingly aware of an element of 'presumed racism' in white Caucasians from other ethnic groups.

Seem much more to me that The tories tried to suggest that a Muslim man was a "bit radical*"

UNless its an Israel thread on line[ and I assume most of them doing this are white but I have no idea and dont care] I have never been called a racist or felt it was "presumed.

Can you highlight some examples please?

* code for terrorist sympathiser

No, we just can't have a Catholic

People who marry Catholics can be enthroned.

Brilliant.. So we can have a Jedi Queen!!!

How awesome would that be!!!

Surely this is what Del was seeking to highlight?

Well he hasn't come back to comment so I think we can assume that his question has been answered.

Although common courtesy and good manners suggests that he should perhaps thank everyone.

Still, perhaps he hasn't had a chance yet.

I have never been called a racist or felt it was "presumed.

Really? Only last week I was working with a labourer on site who informed me that his sister was a slag because she had "**** children". He seemed to feel that I might agree with him.

People are regularly assuming that I share their offensive racist views. Perhaps I just look like a racist?

I have never been called a racist or felt it was "presumed.

@gwaelord, I struggle to believe Farage would have said that, too damaging. Even if he thought it I doubt he'd say it. London Mayor votes showed low support for UKIP, Lib Dems and Greens - very much a two horse race. London has been multi-cultural for the longest time and hasn't seen the sudden influx of immigrants that other areas have.

I wish Kahn all the success he has a chance to be a very positive "role model" after recent less than positive figues like Galloway, Shah and Warsi. His relgion is obviously going to be a focus given the situation we find ourselves in with terrorism and conflict largely being defined by relgion at the moment. He can turn that around and make it a huge positive. When Morsi was here Cameron said he could see a day when a British born Indian could be PM, I think its going to be a while before a leader would say some something similar about a Muslim. Regrettable but a reality imho.

Can you highlight some examples please?

I've experienced it more in social circles, you know with real people.

Sat around a dinner table with an ethnically diverse group of intelligent middle class, educated folk.Probably in the minority as WC. Conversation moves on to topics covering religion/race/racism. Clearly people with bitter experiences of racism in their past. A distinct and quite implied assumption that I must think the the same. That I, even if unconsciously it was explained to me, must harbour similar views and attitudes because of my skin colour. Made to feel hugely uncomfortable.

Taking students to a lecture (more as a minibus driver and then observer than any sort of subject expert I hasten to add) on the topic of ethnic inclusion. Speak after speaker of minority ethnic background talking about the troubles of the past but talking about the present and the future in pretty generalising ways. As the audience was made up of sixth form groups with some clearly from 'whiter' areas than others there were patches of predominately white faces. Speakers happy to gesticulate towards these groups whilst making statements about 'significant attitude change need to be made'. Pretty ironic as any 17/18 year old at a lecture such as that was unlikely to be a rabid racist but implication of 'guilt' was there, if only implied by the hand movement(s). It would have been entirely sociably unacceptable the other way around.

Maybe its an issue of the 'sins of the fathers' and just an uncomfortable phase that needs getting through (if you are a white Caucasian who has never harboured conscious racist opinion).

Come to Scotland and tell folk you voted SNP and/or Yes.

imo, from a discomfort perspective, it is considerably worse the other way around. But that is a conversation for another topic 😉

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London has been multi-cultural for the longest time and hasn't seen the sudden influx of immigrants that other areas have.

40% of Londoners are foreign born - which suggests a very significant influx of immigrants, presumably many of them fairly young.

I hear foreign accents all the time, although a lot less West Indian and Irish accents these days.

What do you call a "sudden influx of immigrants" ?

a "sudden influx of immigrants"

"Many millions" of E Europeans????

I just wish we - the human race could just along with each other.

I see people.

Does any one have a voter breakdown by religion race and gender that would be interesting information?

I don't know about that level of detail, but if you look at the sections on ethnicity and religion below, you will have to agree that Sadiq got a pretty good chunk of his support from white christians.

[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London#Ethnic_groups ]London[/url]

Anyway, what is it that the closet racists object to? His ethnicity or his religion?

Sorry, "white Caucasian" - I thought those two words meant the same thing?

Sorry, "white Caucasian" - I thought those two words meant the same thing?

No expert but don't think so. The Caucasian bit refers to bone structure I think and includes a broader collection of folk. The white bit refines down to a subset of those Caucasians of northern European origin. I 'think' people of northern African and Arabic background are also Caucasian.

The Caucasian bit refers to bone structure I think and includes a broader collection of folk.

So you can get other colours of Caucasian? The only time I've ever heard "Brown Caucasian" is in reference to cattle or pigs or something.

I thought (rightly or wrongly) that Causcasian meant "white European". Except in the US where it means white American. So I suppose broadly it means "white and in the same continent I am"? Does it ever apply to Australians?

Didn't mean to derail the thread, I was just curious as to whether I'd missed something here.

[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race ]Caucasian[/url]

The word is presumably refers to a conflation of Caucasus and Asia.

Oh and interesting to see the distribution of the Mongoloid race on the Pleistocene map.

I think the closet racists say " the one thing you need to know about Sadiq Khan is ... ............he is in corbyns labour party"

Does it ever apply to Australians?

No idea if they use the term, but I guess so. Google I am sure will win out. The 'origin' bit I guess is referring to your genetic inheritance from thousands of years ago. So the fact your great, great, great, great, great, great granddad was a naughty boy and got deported so you were born on a different part of the planet is an irrelevance.

Yep it's used down here.

So is Sadiq Khan a Brown Caucasian ?

I think we should know.

Although ideally before last Thursday.

I suppose if it's referring to ethnic [i]origin[/i] then it should apply equally to us, the US and Australia as the latter two are largely born of displaced Brits.

[quote=crankboy ]I think the closet racists say " the one thing you need to know about Sadiq Khan is ... ............he is in corbyns labour party"

Yes that is definitely what the Tories did 😯
must be why they made no effort whatsoever to mention his religion/background and why the campaign did not lead to complaints form within the party about the "racist tactics"

REALLY 😯
Its not an endemic problem within the Tory party but this time the PM and the mayoral candidate did undisputably use his religion[ and ironically the fact that as a lawyer *] to smear him as some sort of "terrorist sympathiser" and allude to his race /religion hence . It was so bad and blatant even tories complained about it.

* do you think its fair to judge a lawyer on who they have represented ?

I suppose if it's referring to ethnic origin then it should apply equally to us

Who's "us" ?

Are you White Caucasian ?

it should apply equally to us, the US and Australia

I think the 'mercans have ditched the term in favour of 'European' for national cencus and the like. Which seems even more presumptive to me (i.e. all Europeans are white).

Perspective

Barrack Obama possibly kenyan leader of the free world
the queen i think her family is German
prince Phillip Greek
Manual Valls prime minster of france Spanish with Italian wife
Tony Blair scotish gordon brown also.
Borris jhonson born in America

[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Caucasian ]Brown Caucasian[/url]

OK I've done a bit of research at it appears that Sadiq Khan is an Indo-Aryan, which comes as a huge relief to me as it contains the word "Aryan".

Isn't Indo-Aryan a sub classification of Caucasian?

Who's "us" ?

Are you White Caucasian ?

Sorry, I was meaning white people in the UK, which is what we were originally talking about. I appreciate that not everyone here is white, any more than not everyone here is in (or from) the UK; that wasn't what I was implying,

Isn't Indo-Aryan a sub classification of Caucasian?

Ffs don't confuse the situation - I thought we had finally settled the vital question concerning what racial type Sadiq Khan is.

Can we please move on to the next important question : what type of Muslim he is - Sunni or Shia?

I'm sure Derek wants to know.

Does this mean he may be related to Alexander the Great?

Can we please move on to the next important question : what type of Muslim he is - Sunni or Shia?