That’s pretty much the long and short of it, Lunge. A spot of contrition and genuine remorse goes a long way towards forgiveness. Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s captain again two years to the day if he can keep his form.
Warner on the other hand. He’s had it unless something spectacular happens.
Bancroft wasn’t all that anyway. Suspect if an opening slot pops up he may make a reappearance. He’s not instantly dislikable, just pretty dense.
Ah, and boof has fallen on his sword. Yeah. Not sure I’ll miss him.
One tragedy of this is that it’s made Clarke think he’s remotely relevant 😂
glad Lehmann has gone. Seemed strange to think how Australia could make it right in the eyes of cricket fans with him still in charge. A wise move. Plus he is a tw*t
@freester. Sounds like the same show as when I saw him at Edinburgh Fringe 5 years ago. Cant blame him for repeating those classics though!
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That’s pretty much the long and short of it, Lunge. A spot of contrition and genuine remorse goes a long way towards forgiveness. Wouldn’t surprise me if he’s captain again two years to the day if he can keep his form.
I guess it's possible, but it depends on there not being somebody else who's stepped into the gap and done a good job of it. The interesting more immediate question is whether he can be selected for the World Cup and Ashes next year despite not having played any cricket apart from club cricket - I presume he will just be picked on the basis of past form as the batting suddenly looks a bit bare with him and Warner gone. Hardly ideal for him to have to come here to try and regain form, where the crowds won't give him any mercy at all!
In the same way Bancroft has the problem that somebody else might have made the spot his own - though with 2 openers spots now up for grabs there's a good chance that they won't both be taken and he does at least have the opportunity to play the second half of the domestic season.
I guess nobody's discussing Warner's chances of playing for Australia again?
...actually I suppose I'm forgetting that the IPL presumably comes after the end of the ban and before the WC - will Smith get bought for that next year?
Lehmann gone - good. He gave up any hope when he started whining about people being nasty to his team after his previous form about 'sending Broad home in tears'
In other matters:
@freester. Sounds like the same show as when I saw him at Edinburgh Fringe 5 years ago. Cant blame him for repeating those classics though!
Can't remember who the comedian is / was but had a very good section about every time he tours the crowd get restless if he does 'old' material; in some cases people even go and see him a couple of times on the same tour and then moan that he hasn't come up with 90 minutes of brand new material for each date of the tour rather than just each tour!
Whereas if you go to see a band and all they play is new stuff, they get moaned at and told to do the old favourites!
I'm pleased Lehmann is off too, he has presided over the whole team culture and more than likely instigated and encouraged the more aggressive attitude and behaviour that we have all witnessed over the last couple of years.
Id still like to see their senior bowlers being taken to task, although if they are delusional enough to think they had just got some magical gift, like Billy's Boots, then perhaps that's punishment enough?!
Vince recalled. Any guesses on how he will get out?
I'll go for quickly. Majestic cover drive, yet hopelessly mistimed and it's snaffled by 3rd slip.
Especially as Cook is unfortunately back in the pavilion with under 5 overs played.
Lbw this time, for a bit of variety. I note that Woakes has more test 50s...
17-4! 10 overs.
3 for broad; 1 for anderson; wood must be fancying this - if he gets a chance.
And back to the Aussies temporarily: David Warner has just done his sorry/not sorry. All just seems a little apologetic for being caught. Also interesting that the question of “who else knew?” still isn’t going away.
Zokes - that was hugely unconvincing.
Reporters limited to one question each; Warner blubbing was unconvincing; did not answer any question directly - just followed the media training instructions.....loud deep breaths, blub, sound contrite, apologise to everyone.....wife, children, every australian living or dead, south africa, nelson mandela and repeat ad nauseam.
A thoroughly unconvincing performance and unbelievable in the sense that I cannot believe it - nor will anyone else when they hear it.
Yup, that pretty much echoes the first comment made when news24 cut back to the studio here. Nobody is buying it.
So where will the first crack appear? Can't imagine the Aussie media letting go easily so Bancroft, Smith & Warner can expect to be door-stepped and pushed at every opportunity. I would never have tipped Warner as someone who would cry in public - unless it was in his long arm interest; cynical? Nah not me Bruce........
I managed to catch Bairstow making his century last night. What a lovely looking ground they are playing at. Anyone been?
Great Test match this. Trying to keep reminding myself of what a brilliant sport it is in light of all of the cheating Aussie stuff.
Re: Warner; the press aren’t letting up on him.
I think the only reason he’s not spilled the beans is his own self-interest in the hope that he might play for Australia again (or at least earn megabucks in the IPL).
Although whilst the press are still digging into him, it’s worth noting that the shallow locals have now returned to their one-eyedness, judging by the defensive nature of the Facebook comments on that article.
Feeling rather chuffed today, Victor read my tweet put last night. its the little things in life sometimes.
David Warner discovers that acting like a **** for years leads to him not having many mates. Ahhhh, bless. Tough titty.
Give it a few days and his agent will try to get the ‘just an honest, but easily led, guy from the wrong side of the tracks’ line in again.
Truth is, he’s such a monumental bellend that no one wants to play in a team with him and are more than willing to let him be the one that gets pushed off the end of the plank.
Or maybe his agent just told him he’d better get his crying boots on. Smith and Lehmann both had a blub-a-thon, so Warner had to follow suit or he’d look bad. Pretty undignified stuff for a nation that prides itself on its fortitude.
I'm thinking he might have been better off leaving out the bit about playing for his country again, or at least to have remembered to switch off the tears for that bit - it's hard to avoid thinking that's what he cares about most (I'll allow that he also cares about his family, so it's not quite the only thing).
It goes on.... https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/more-turmoil-likely-as-banished-trio-consider-legal-options-20180331-p4z78k.html
I can’t imagine CA being too thrilled about the prospect of “who knew what when” being discussed publicly under oath!
I have to say I’m developing a bit of respect for Smith. Maybe I’m going native down here, or perhaps it’s just refreshing to see a high profile public figure accept responsibility for their actions, which sadly is s very rare act these days.
He could easily have wriggled out and gone down the appeal route and taken the whole lot down with him. He comes out of this better than DL who seemed to miss that being the boss meant not knowing was as bad as knowing. Warner has been quiet, his age is a bigger factor there - the years to earn after his ban are reduced and he is the most tainted of the lot. He will almost certainly not be making it into commentary or endorsements.
You two have gone native. Not sure what you are respecting or admiring here. he is doing what he has been advised to do [ and possibly agreed behind doors] to make sure he returns to the fold at a later date. Its just paying the long game
Seems like everyone is happy to burn Warner in the process. but that is just because of the type of person he is. Not even sure the Aussies loved him
Warner has been quiet
Reportedly he’s been lawyering up. Can’t see that getting him far now Smith and Bancroft have set the president that by accepting their sanction they believe it fair punishment. Which is a shame 😂
You two have gone native.
Possibly, but my love for the game itself leaves me with a dichotomy over Smith. Premeditated cheating happened under his watch. Yet, he seems to be the least culpable of the three, and also the most willing to see his need to accept responsibility as captain for it happening. He’s also a prodigious talent and honestly I see it as a crying shame that such a talent would be completely wasted.
And yes, I watched pretty much every minute of the ashes down here. Frankly, England were gash. They could learn a lot from how NZ saved the test yesterday. Australia could have had 9 players and it still wouldn’t have changed the outcome.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43706190
However, the former England all-rounder Flintoff thinks the bans handed down were too harsh.
"The crime doesn't warrant that [the bans]," he said.
"One of the things which has really annoyed me is I've seen people raising their profile on the back of other people's misery.
"Some of them are in glass houses - don't be chucking your stones, lads. We've done a few things which aren't particularly in the rules - not as bad as that - and it changes.
"Then I saw Steve Smith on TV crying his eyes out, so upset, and I put a tweet out saying: 'Are you happy now? Is that what you wanted'?"
Think this may have some legs....
interesting mr flintoff, though it begs the question if you or any one else in the team can tell the ball has been tampered with how come the umpires didn't ? they are all ex players.
good to see cricket australia take aim at the other foot
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-13/cricket-fans-what-seven-and-foxtels-tv-deal-means/9655144
Ed Smith to become national selector apparently. Selfishly I think it’s a shame; he is my favorite tms commentator and I can’t see how he could do both. The reasons he is my favorite commentator will probably make him great at the job - deep thinker respectful of traditional but not afraid to think out of the box too.
TMS is dead. The world is a cruel, crue place.
https://talksport.com/cricket/talksport-snatch-cricket-audio-rights-bbc-180417279401
TMS is dead. The world is a cruel, crue place.
Was looking for 1st April publication date and it wasn't there. How am I to deal with my insomnia now?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43807117
TMS not dead just not getting the overseas stuff. And a glimmer of hope that the BBC has live England on the TV from 2020
Well, that’s thoroughly crap. Wonder how much hackery I’ll have to do to make TalkSport work from over here.
If the ECB want to kill cricket they're doing a good job https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/19/ecb-unveil-plans-100-ball-domestic-cricket-tournament#comments
Yep, my main issue with T20 cricket was that it was too long and needed slimming down a bit.
I look at the problems in the domestic game and it seems pretty obvious that they will be solved with a 16.4 over competition.
Yep, this really is the pits. Just like that bloke on The Fast Show (and Mark / the STW devs) in terms of providing several things nobody asked for whilst singularly failing to fix the thing that was actually broken
The ECB know (even though they weren't really responsible for losing the Radio rights) that the England national team isn't very good at the moment and there would seem to be very little by way of improvement available or happening in the near future so having them hidden away on talk sport for the next little while (or longer) might actually be beneficial for them. Also, perhaps the BBC knows it and doesn't want to pay that much for broadcasting substandard on field performances.
that is top tin foil hattery. impressive Royston!
I can't quite believe what I've just read
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/04/23/ecb-considering-three-bowlers-10-ball-overs/
Good afternoon, everybodeeee!
First test begins on Thursday. What do we ghink about Buttler getting a recall?
Was in Australia a couple of weeks ago, and oddly, no one wanted to talk cricket!
It's a bit of a punt but I'm glad that they're trying some different options. Personally, I would've picked Foakes as keeper and tried Bairstow as opener.
Have they said if Bairstow or Buttler will be keeper? Cook should by rights have to have a great series to justify selection after this as he has very little in the last couple of season in his CV to warrant selection. As long as a replacement is in the wings of course. You have to hope that this is the summer some younger bowlers come through and challenge Anderson and Broad's automatic right to first pick but at 28 Mark Wood does not really count as younger
It's a home series, Cook should be fine to get his numbers back up before retiring.
