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Did he sleep with somebody's wife or something ?? Seemed a bit harsh.
They do seem to be picking on him a bit.Theres been plenty worse done and passed off as 'racing incidents'.Do feel for Dani though....he's made of glass!!Nice to Rossi back on the podium 😀 ,nicer to see George struggling.
Someone punch that whiney aussie twonk back....in the face.....with a brick 👿
Race direction brought to you today by the Jorge Lorenzo fan club. It was a bloody ridiculous decision. I am buying a supersic tshirt for Silverstone. 👿
Very harsh to impose a drive through penalty.
Should have been reviewed after the finish and then acted upon.
He's the new pick on boy of moto gp.
MotoGP is a ****ing joke right now.
"MotoGP is a **** joke right now"
How come?
Great result for Rossi though, the Ducati looks overwhelmed.
Rossi is a cheery chap isn't he, although all that hunkering down by the bike before the start is a bit odd.
I think that is half of why I like MotoGP, the riders have personalities, unlike the F1 guys who come across like robots.
But I guess you have to be a bit mental to race bikes.
Simoncelli totally at fault for taking pedrosa out & breaking his collarbone in the process.
Needs a bit more than a ride-through in my opinion.
Dani let off the brakes after He'd been passed (he's not amazing on entry at the best of times).If he'd kept it upright he would have run Marco wide off the track and if he had'nt clipped Marco's back wheel he would have low sided and T-boned him (just as Rossi did to casey).This is world championship racing its not supposed to be "oh you first old chap,oh no you first sir".Or they could remove ALL the skill of overtaking...like they've done in Farce'mula 1.
IMO Pedrosa went into the corneron a defensive tight line he saw Simoncelli and "ran on" on the brakes in an attempt to put him wide. Simoncelli was fully past by the time they made contact. At best a 50/50. Simoncelli didnt deserve the ride through. It could have easily been sorted out after the race.
Feel sorry for Pedrosa though. His injury list is growing by the race.
Big up to Critchlow too. He was kicking the sh*t out of that bike in Qaulifying. His first time at LeMans as well. Good show, unlucky to have come off.
I think that is what I don't understand, the whole concept of riding bikes that fast, that close to other people and trying to get past each other seems crazy dangerous. But some stuff is too dangerous, so you get penalised for it - is that about right ? I guess this Simoncelli chap is just pushing the limits of the rule book.
Very harsh on Simoncelli as he was in front - IMO it was 50% Pedrosa's fault. Lorenzo maybe should have been penalised for his pass on Devisioso early on in the race.
Worst outcome is it will take Pedrosa out for a few weeks.
Been a good season so far.
I guess this Simoncelli chap is just pushing the limits of the rule book.
Not really any more so than other people who haven't attracted penalties- like Lorenzo, when he shoved his way past Dovizioso(?).
Edit: Like wot Philby said.
Did anyone see the after race interviews? Might have been good.
Repeat on eurosport.Moto2 was strangely dull for once 😐
supertacky - Member
"MotoGP is a **** joke right now"How come?
Ridiculous penalties, not enough riders/manufacturers, largely boring races (with the odd exception)...
harsh penalty though he does have previos.. honda class of field this year.. Rossi left to pick up scraps. only Hondas will win from here on in..
He deserved a penalty " his egos writing cheques his body can't cash" he's riding like a dick, albeit a fast dick, don't think he'll be getting any new bits for his Honda, you can't crash into the chosen one.
Penalty was a joke. It's at best a racaing incident and required a review at the end if the gp if anything. Far too harsh
If Lorenzo was in Pedrosas position i recon he would have gone in to the corner more committed,hung off the bike and stuck it with maybe a bit of contact.
I thought it was a fairly clean move at the time.
No, penalty was correct and well deserved for the dirty Sic, both Dani and Sic was entering the corner at same time and Dani had the inside line, all Sic had to ride by side with Dani to the corner and there will be no crash, not chopping across in front of him, now he have injure him and ruined his season. Even his mate Rossi put the blame on dirty Sic, see link below:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91429
Sic is a menace on the track, the way he is riding, he will injure another rider again this season.
I've seen it 3 times or so, and still can't work it out. At first it looked like a crazy move from Sic, but then he's through, and Ped is drifting wide, not making the turn and rides into the rear of Sic. I really thought the drive through was harsh - but regardsless of the race and blame - Pedrosa's got another pretty major injury which is really sad. What ever you think of him , he's a great talent and I'd love to see him take it to Stoner this season.
Meantime, Sic may be the latest whipping boy, but he'll bounce back and will win races this season - Go Sideshow Bob!
To quote Max; 'its not ballroom dancing!'
It was as wrong as the time Haslem got the same at a BSB round at Oulton a couple of years ago.
Wait until Andrea Iannone arrives in moto gp!!He IS mental.
Thought the penalty was a bit harsh as it looked like Dani went in a bit quick and had a wobble. Was at le mans and they really seem to dislike the Spanish motogp riders there, big cheer when Dani went off, then another when Lorenzo got passed. Curiously only saw a single spectator with any sort of visible support for home rider Randy DP, all the frenchies seemed to be supporting Rossi.
Simoncelli will seriously hurt someone before long in MotoGP, he's just too crazy
Lots of other riders have made noises about him being too dangerous, look at tat incident with Barbera a couple of years ago where he just leaned on him in attempt to stop him passing
http://www.myvideo.ch/watch/4345624
If he ever has designs on being a MotoGP world champ, he needs to try and contain it a bit or he'll end up losing so many points with penalties and crashes that he'll never make it
Haven't seen it yet but if Rossi (see rainbow link) thinks he was at fault, then he must have been.
More importantly, does his hair affect the efficiency of his helmet?
Uplink have to disagree on that incident, just a racing thing. He is a wild child though, makes it fantastic. Now there is some real bad feeling between some of the riders.
uplink - MemberSimoncelli will seriously hurt someone before long in MotoGP, he's just too crazy
Lots of other riders have made noises about him being too dangerous, look at tat incident with Barbera a couple of years ago where he just leaned on him in attempt to stop him passinghttp://www.myvideo.ch/watch/4345624
If he ever has designs on being a MotoGP world champ, he needs to try and contain it a bit or he'll end up losing so many points with penalties and crashes that he'll never make it
Yep I have never seen anything quite so dangerous, imagine not avoiding another driver riding into the back of him, BAN HIM! It could be a childs face next time.
It's like that Jonny Cash song about the guy who gets hung on his birthday for a murder he never done. Did a whole other lot of murders tho.
So will we see a retrospective penalty for what Rossi did to Stoner?
It looked to me like Simoncelli outrode Pedrosa there. Pedrosa tried to force the issue and lost control.
Very unfair decision compared to what has gone unpunished.
Yep I have never seen anything quite so dangerous, imagine not avoiding another driver riding into the back of him
Barbera hit him purely because Simoncelli open his leg when he felt him
This caused Simoncelli's bike to slow and veer left
Mika Kallio, Alex Debon and others claimed it was the most dangerous move they' seen in a long time, you obviously know better
FWIW - I thought the ride through at Le Mans was Harsh, a fine would have been more fitting
Very harsh IMO but probably worth it get rid of Pedrosa for a race or two. Next target - Lorenzo. Simoncelli will be world champ by taking out the other riders.
supertacky - Member
"MotoGP is a **** joke right now"How come?
Ridiculous penalties, not enough riders/manufacturers, largely boring races (with the odd exception)...
Unfortunately this is the case without Rossi up at the sharp end of things. Like the majority of motor sport, technology seems to win over skill.
It will be a sad day when Rossi retires!
Tell me why Elias went back into MotoGP when he was creaming the Moto2 stage? World champ to back of the fleet in one easy step.. nob.
Looked 50 / 50 to me. Dani's has never been as strong on the brakes as most of the others. His back wheel was well in the air just before the clash & he had to roll off the front brake to keep it together, a drawback for being a light weight - unfortunately Marko was already where Dani wanted to run wide. Marko would have got passed Dani soon & perhaps he should have waited for a more clear shot at the pass, but he's a young charger & has not learned when to back off, you can't fault him for that at his age. A shame for Dani yes but why ruin Marko's race also.
simoncelli is exactly what we need this year. He has some of the big boys rattled. To put a satellite Honda in 2nd in qualifying !!
Dani is made of glass and overrated. He is quick but cannot 'race'. Even his win last week was boring - wheelsucking Lorenzo for x laps.
How often does danni come out top in a proper scrap on the track.Drive through was wrong.
As for simoncelli crashing, seem to remeber Stoner couldnt keep it on track when he first came into MGP and Lorenzo had some of the biggest crashes ever in MGP.
Here another crash the dirty Sic nearly killed another rider.
rocketman, you are no motogp fan, if you get pleasure seeing riders get hurt on the track! 🙄
I would love see the dirty Sic and Rossi have a big battle on the track, especially the last few laps for a victory, it would be interesting who will come out top and alive! seriously Sic is dangerous nutcase on the track.
Dani is made of glass and overrated. He is quick but cannot 'race'. Even his win last week was boring - wheelsucking Lorenzo for x laps.
+1 on that, much prefer Lorenzo to Pedrosa. Simoncelli goes too far, though.
rocketman, you are no motogp fan, if you get pleasure seeing riders get hurt on the track!
Don't like the riders to get hurt, but MotoGP would be deathly dull if they didn't fall off every now and then.
rainbow - Member
>Here another crash the dirty Sic nearly killed another rider.
Simoncelli fell off, bike spun on track, following rider didn't see it.
How was that dirty?
Imagine Sic with a catapult Elfinsafety would poo in his pants and properly spit his dummy out !
Sic=Sick, great rider, not scared of people trying to pressurise the new lad, just letting them know that hes not to be ****ed with.
rainbow - MemberHere another crash the dirty Sic nearly killed another rider.
rocketman, you are no motogp fan, if you get pleasure seeing riders get hurt on the track!
I would love see the dirty Sic and Rossi have a big battle on the track, especially the last few laps for a victory, it would be interesting who will come out top and alive! seriously Sic is dangerous nutcase on the track.
He crashed coming out of the corner, EVERY rider in motogp has done that many times over, where the bike ended up on the track was just a matter of luck, bad luck for the rider that collected it.
I'm struggling to see how that vid linked by rainbow is in any way connected to what we are discussing.
Just watched the incident (and the replays) and wouldn't like to call it at all. I think the points made re unequal treatment of certain riders is true but when you can't get guys who have actually raced at a high level to agree then what hope do we have on STW ?!!!
thank goodness for Simo !
brought back life to mgp, just when it was needed.
spies is struggling, ducati are lost, need fisticuffs ala rossi-v-biaggi again.
too few riders, depleted grid, simo was robbed imo.
boohoo dani.
boohoo jorge.
i love an under-dog pinning the 'aliens'.
I would love see the dirty Sic and Rossi have a big battle on the track, especially the last few laps for a victory, it would be interesting who will come out top and alive! seriously Sic is dangerous nutcase on the track.
I still find it strange how Sic is 'dirty' and yet Rossi, who I seem to remember elbowing Biaggi off of the track in the 500s, Nerfing Giberbau into to gravel and knocking Stoner off, twice, is revered.
They really aren't all that different, are they?
Side show Bobs Honda is not a second string affair, pretty much on the same kit as the Repsol boys.
@sobriety, yep, with both Rossi and dirty Sic being like fighting pitbulls, it would be good to watch who will come out as a winner of the battle, hope we will see it this year.
Rossi had to bump Lorenzo a few times to pass him last year's Japanese GP while Lorenzo pass Rossi cleanly and without touching him twice.
I thought simocelli did not allow Pedrosa any space - basically forced him to crash although I would have preferred an after race penalty if a penalty was required.
Simocelli cut in and pedrosa had no where to go nothing he could do
basically forced him to crash
No he didn't. He passed him. Pedrosa bottled it, let off the brakes and stood the bike up, and clipped the back wheel as he did so.
Yes, it was a hard pass, but if Pedrosa only has himself to blame for crashing.
PP - the way I saw it pedrosa could slow down no more and simocelli put his bike on the same bit of road pedrosa was heading for and as pedrosa was at the limit he could not avaoid him
I think the drive thru was wrong tho - should have been dealt with after
PeterPoddy - Memberbasically forced him to crash
No he didn't. He passed him. Pedrosa bottled it, let off the brakes and stood the bike up, and clipped the back wheel as he did so.
Yes, it was a hard pass, but if Pedrosa only has himself to blame for crashing.
Yes he did.
If you watch the replays Pedrosa's back wheel it came off the ground at the point Simoncelli was alongside him. He had to let off the brake but Simoncelli had cut in and given him nowhere to go.
so....do you think with Danny out for a while another rider may ride his bike for a bit ...maybe a Honda rider...?......maybe thats not riding for the FULL factory team..????
just saying like 😉
this clip appears to substanciate Peter Poddys point of view 😕
- EDIT: too slow
Pedrosa had the chance to back-off, but he didn't. Then he bottled it, too late. If the roles were reversed, and Sic went down, he still would have been the bad guy.
I read an interesting piece by a journo who was at the race and spoke to the riders. He said all the riders (except one) thought it was dangerous. Even Rossi said something along the lines of "he was faster and there were 10 laps to go".
Looked alright to me and I've made harder passes. But I guess 30mph on a dirt bike isn't 100mph on motogp bike.
for what it's worth,i thought that it was harsh of them to give a drive through penalty to simoncelli (where other riders have done the same and got away with it) i think that moto gp needs someone like him to come along (good luck to him),but i also root for rossi also 🙂
Many of the rossis ones it was a case of there was room to avoid the bump but neither rider would back off - I am still not sure that anything pedrosa could have done would have avoided the bump - if he had carried on on his line he would have hit him on the apex???
Taking any notice of the views of other riders is as stupid as listening to ferguson's views on referees, its just psychological warfare, preparing the ground for when its needed, this weekend it proved its worth, getting a competitor an excessive drive through penalty.
Lorenzo got banned for a couple of races when he rode in 250's that was for ramming Perdrosa. so what ! 125's and Moto 2 are brain out and the most entertaining .Stoner moaned about Rossi in Laguna . But when they were in 125's none of the gave a shit .
PP - the way I saw it pedrosa could slow down no more and simocelli put his bike on the same bit of road pedrosa was heading for and as pedrosa was at the limit he could not avaoid him
If Pedrosa was ON the limit he wouldnt have had to stand the bike up. He KNEW he wasn't going to make the corner, so he tried to go straight on. The only reason he couldn't avoid him was because he tried to stay with him. If he'd have gone round the corner as Sic expected, he would have simply been passed on the outside.
But Pedrosa gambled on braking later than he ever usually does to block Sic and failed. He only JUST clips the back of Sics wheel. He'd been passed and he knew it
Thing is, Pedrosa's got some form in this area. It's not the first time he has lost it trying to take the inside:
http://www.livevideo.com/video/131DD2ED4AD248F8A3A9135221D31EBD/nicky-hayden-dani-pedrosa-cr.aspx
It is a shame he was injured though. It's never fun being off the bike, doesn't matter who you are.
It is a shame he was injured though. It's never fun being off the bike, doesn't matter who you are.
Indeed. I'm a big fan if Pedrosa. Never nice when someone is injured.
(Says the bloke sitting here with a broken ankle!)
It was a very close call on who to blame and in reality if they'd both backed off then no one would have fallen off but it's racing and racing incidents happen. Simo has got form for being over-aggressive and he had many a run in with Bautista in the 250 class. I think he does need to temper his aggression a bit or else he could end up struggling to get full factory support as Honda HRC are going to be non to happy now that the Golden Child is injured - again!
It's a very intruging season so far - Spies doesn't seem to have taken the step forward everyone was expecting, Rossi's shoulders getting better and the Dukes getting better and Cal is riding superb in his debut season. Bring it on!
Has everyone forgotten Stoner and Lorenzo's first seasons? When they binned it race after race? I think the step up in power is really difficult at first, tend to calm down a bit after a couple of seasons. And it does make for better watching.
@maffyg, Wrong! Lorenzo got banned for ONE race for the 2005 Malaysia GP only.
Looking at the clip above, it does appear that Sic had the line but if you look at it from other angles (I've seen it at least 20 times on BBC streaming now) it is not as cut and dried. Seen from above, Simoncelli came in very very hot and although he made the corner there really wasn't any time for Pedrosa to do very much. It could be argued either way but I think that should have been done after the race rather than with a drivethru.
It's easy to blame Simoncelli but Pedrosa has to bear some of the responsibility because he knew Sic was faster and should have had the experience to expect something like that.
Just caught up, what a race! I was on the edge of my seat getting far to excited in the closing laps hoping Rossi could see off thingy (damn I'm crap with names!!) on the Honda. My little lad didn't appreciate at all, was giving him his bottle at the time haha!
Lorenzo the hypocrite!
50-50 on Simoncelli, hard move but that's racing! Without a doubt the wrong decision for the penalty!
[i]Taking any notice of the views of other riders is as stupid as listening to ferguson's views on referees, its just psychological warfare, preparing the ground for when its needed, this weekend it proved its worth, getting a competitor an excessive drive through penalty. [/i]
+1, agree
And the reason Rossi is not now supporting him is that he sees Sim as a rival.
If Marco had waited for the next corner; if Dani didn't leave his breaking so late; if Marco had left Dani another 3 feet of track; if Dani's rear wheel didn't leave the ground at an inappropriate time...
Racing incident, nothing more. Dani's injury is unfair, as was Marco's ride through.
I think a lot of opinions here are from people who haven't raced motorbikes 😉
In order to not clip Simo, Dani would have had to either brake harder and/or tighten his line. This is a lot easier said than done (see above).... maybe possible but it would have been a [u]very[/u] good avoid.
I don't like the idea of drivethroughs myself but it was definitely Simo's fault IMO.