[Closed] Most overrated people in music.........

John Shuttleworth.

All he does is sing about everyday trivia to nursery-rhyme type tunes interspersed with dodgy effects from his Casio keyboard.

I just don't get it.

lifer making a joke about the death of his child is in very poor taste

There's definitely an echo in here.

[i]lifer making a joke about the death of his child is in very poor taste[/i]

Where has he done that? Bloody hell, you do find offence in the weirdest places!

I'd like to put something but as DezB seems to have a bit of a downer on me at the moment I'll refrain

Consider this my training flounce - perhaps to be upgrade in the future

Plum

this thread lost credibility when someone posted Fatboy Slim I've no idea what he does...
it was called [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_beat ]Big Beat Boutique[/url] and as a sideline it helped save Brighton&Hove Albion via the Skint Label sponsorship.

Can't believe you've noticed plum, I am insignificant 🙂

I think we need to define "over-rated",

I would suggest this means that at the time they were famous/successful there were other bands/artists playing the same style of music who were obviously better but were ignored by press/charts/public.

Id definitely put Pete Doherty in this camp as there are loads of other whingy strokes sounding bands (including the strokes) who realised better songs than him.

I am/was playing up to it now Dez as a [failed] attempt at self parody [ Mtrmen thread as well ]
It is clearly not working I shall refrain

I'd like to put something but as DezB is just generally a miserable ****er

FTFY.

Yunki

Well said ^^ but there are still some good guys in the smaller labels who try to produce good music. I used to be one (I think) before I lost my shirt trying 😥

Re. Clapton, have the detractors seen him live?

If so that would add fuel to their opinion. He was my boyhood hero and I played Cream records over and over again until they wore out and I worshipped him.

I saw him live for the first, and only time, back in the early nineties and it's the worst concert I've ever attended.

The blazing, inspirational solos on the recorded versions, were replaced by repetitive, boring pentatonic noodling in every single song he played. They bore no relation to anything he'd actually recorded on the track in question and could easily have been transported between songs with no one actually noticing.

In addition his sole interaction with the audience amounted to an occasional "Thank you" after a few songs.

The man's a boring, old, has-been that should've knocked it on the head years ago.

Sorry JY!. you missed the smiley off 🙂

Hang on! Me? Miserable? surelysomemistake?

black eyed peas actually used to knock out some really good hip hop a long time ago. It was when that hag fergie came along that things went bad.

Tom Waits

The man's a boring, old, has-been that should've knocked it on the head years ago.

You need to apply the Creative Peak Rule, Bob.

I first formed this for myself after seeing Public Enemy - not for the first time - after they had passed their creative peak (which was about 1990 IMO) and feeling massively short-changed as a result.

The CPR holds that it is pretty much never worth going to see or investing any kind of hope in a band once they have passed their peak in the studio. From that point on, they're either vainly trying to recapture something that was fleeting to begin with, or they're simply trading on past glories to prolong a career.

In the old days, records were bought by kids. When bands passed their peak, the kids largely went off them and there was nobody left to buy their records, ergo end of career. Now, the record-buying (for want of a more accurate term) public is made up of a far bigger age range and this, coupled with fact that most people find wider choice slightly bewildering as they get older, means that a band may have a customer base (for want of a more pleasant term) for far longer, ergo career can go on for ages. Also, older people have more money. Look at the Eagles - my mum went to see them play at Hampden last year and I nearly fell over when she told me the tickets were 80 quid each! To see the Eagles in a big stadium in 2010! When that's on offer, its no surprise that ageing musicians (such as Clapton) whose creative peak was anything up to HALF A CENTURY AGO refuse to give it up. As long as someone'll pay for it, they'll keep doing it.

Its this kind of thing that makes my skin crawl - look at this tour Primal Scream are doing to play Screamadelica in its entirety. Jesus wept. I love that record, it has an important place in my record buying history, but it was clearly Primal Scream's creative peak so for them to tour it now is at best an exercise in cringeworthy nostalgia that will see some gruesome sights and at worst a cynical plan to pay off a tax bill or something.

Now I'm old, the bands I truly loved (as a callow youth, when you truly love bands) are also old and have either died, split up or are trying to prolong their careers like this. The Creative Peak Rule saves me the heartache of seeing how low some are prepared to stoop and the painful truth that just because you were once great doesn't mean you always will be.

(All IMO, of course!)

The Strokes were massively overrated too IMO.

🙂

it was clearly Primal Scream's creative peak

Andrew Weatherall's creative peak more like.

😉

EDIT: Unfair, because Weatherall has still got it.

Kings of Leon
Coldplay
The Killers

Basically almost anyone that would headline a UK festival, excluding Glastonbury

FYI - Coldplay to headline 2011 Glastonbury. 😉

[url= http://www.efestivals.co.uk/news/11/110208c.shtml ]http://www.efestivals.co.uk/news/11/110208c.shtml[/url]

black eyed peas actually used to knock out some really good hip hop a long time ago. It was when that hag fergie came along that things went bad.

Like Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks

personally i would say everyone who has ever made music from the beginning of time onwards.that should just about cover it 😉

Its this kind of thing that makes my skin crawl - look at this tour Primal Scream are doing to play Screamadelica in its entirety. Jesus wept. I love that record, it has an important place in my record buying history, but it was clearly Primal Scream's creative peak so for them to tour it now is at best an exercise in cringeworthy nostalgia that will see some gruesome sights and at worst a cynical plan to pay off a tax bill or something.

also unfair.. because the audience are largely going to be so flippin mullered and happy to be amongst such a large crowd of like-minded people that the music quality will be largely irrelevant.. as long as the sound quality is good.. and the quality of the drugs is good it's gonna be a good party on every date..

you can't really compare Screamadelica to any of the trite that Clapton churned out either..
can you?

Its this kind of thing that makes my skin crawl - look at this tour Primal Scream are doing to play Screamadelica in its entirety. Jesus wept. I love that record, it has an important place in my record buying history, but it was clearly Primal Scream's creative peak so for them to tour it now is at best an exercise in cringeworthy nostalgia that will see some gruesome sights and at worst a cynical plan to pay off a tax bill or something.

I wouldn't say Screamadelica was their creative peak as I think Vanishing Point is their finest album. If they can sell out a tour playing an old album fair play to them, quite a few people going to watch probably didn't get into them until well after the album originally came out and it's great that they get the opportunity to hear it played live.

I was dragged to endless Clapton concerts by my parents in my youth. Staying awake as a child whilst listening to rather dull music was... tricky. I 'remember' one concert that was devoted to his very bluesiest of blues that actually had me wishing for unconciousness. I put it down to inexperience and a few months ago actually made an effort to listen to all the Clapton my folks love.

Turns out it's rubbish.

(Have I been judged yet...?)

If not, let's see how this attempt at defence goes down: my favourite band of all time is Oasis. I've no doubt that opinionated keyboard warriors across the country are currently thinking variations on 'moron', 'prick', 'uneducated fool', 'deluded monkey', etc. but I stand by my love for their music. I'll concede that behaviour has not always been, er, exemplary, but the attitude is often crucial to the delivery, and live shows have always been truly magical experiences.

I really hope this thread dies ASAP. It's utterly pointless and simply fuelled, not by jealousy, obviously, but by those people who see something distateful [i]to them[/i] become popular and hate the fact. I'm not going to blame them, it happens to be too, but this sort of subjectiveness is never useful.

Anyone that Jo Whiley "champions"*

*"Champions" equates to sycophantic arse-licking and general parasitic behaviour in an attempt to convince everyone that she's not a tired, cretinous old hoor bag and she's still down with "the kids"

Interesting BoardinBob

Much the same charge that could have been levelled at the late lamented John Peel!

You've mentioned John Peel and Jo Whiley in the same sentence 😕

Peel never bowed to trends or fashion. A terrible comparison

I love Oasis, what Bonny Prince Billy album would you like to discuss, or maybe some Low, how about Iron and Wine? maybe some Whiskytown, (Not too clued up on Eno's solo stuff I'll admit, but happy to talk about roxy music?)

The bloke's too prolific - it would be good to see him slow down and instead of knocking out a quite good album every year, put out a great one every 3.

Personally I think kraftwerk are overrated, I love electronic music but their contribution is overplayed IMO (other than the sample for planet rock).

Also, DJ magazine has just voted Tiesto the world best dj ever. Come on!

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Assuming that we can exclude the likes of manufactured bands and the Cowell hype machine by default, I've always failed to understand the point of Elton John. Granted, he made a couple of decent songs in the 1970s, but he should have quietly shuffled into obscurity.

Also, as much as it really pains me to type this, I have to agree with the McCartney thing. I give a case in point:

The Beatles
Wings
The Mull of Kintyre
The Frog Chorus

Can you see a trend developing there?

I fail to see how people can say that one band is brilliant but then another band (usually of a different type of music) is overrated.
I can't stand N-dubz. I think Daffy (or what ever his name is) is one of the most obnoxious people I've ever heard interviewed. But I can see why people would like them. I can't stand the UK garage scene or the Drum n Bass. My brother though loves Drum N Bass but it all sounds like noise to me. I have everything on my iPhone from Elton John to Suede and The Eagles to Korn. Music is music and its all very personal.

Shirley Bassey said it best.
"Some people don't dance, if they don't know who's singing,
why ask your head, it's your hips that are swinging"

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Mods, can you close this thread please. It's clearly a bunch of computers having a discussion as part of some elaborate Turing test.

How can I tell? Nobody has mentioned Bono yet.

(Although someone did point out Morrissy earlier on which is a step in the right direction)

Bonio is clearly a pretentious muppet and the music is now reflecting that but when U2 started there was some good tunes. The Joshua Tree was just at their peak!

I know the OP said it but Oasis sprang instantly to mind on reading the thread title. Mediocre pub singer backing band, their mega status of a few years ago is a total mystery to me.

Also people like Duffy/Macey Gray/current 'authentic' singer du jour.

their mega status of a few years ago is a total mystery to me.

Knucklehead's that read Loaded magazine have a lot to answer for

u2 were always poo they peaked at a very low mediocre level and then disappeared up there own rears ...good call Samurai

JY MK3 states claim for having passed test

How anyone can say [i]"Mediocre pub singer backing band"[/i] is beyond me and makes me wonder whether they have actually listened to any of their albums. IMO they have produced some stunningly well crafted and emotive songs, with some of the best production I have heard !

<cue Beetles clone/copy allegations>

ps. Not a Loaded reader 😉

All of them except ... ABBA & Bee Gees.

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ps. Not a Loaded reader

Alright, Maxim then

Its official u guys no nothing about music otherwise someone would have mentioned THE MOST talentless person EVER Justin Timberlake.

I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the Sex Pistols yet - boy band, put together by manager, very self-aware media stunts throughout their career, music that would have otherwise been totally forgotten about

Pete Doherty - utter rubbish

saw Terrorvision live once - my god I have never seen a band so far in talent from the record, I came to the conclusion that all musicians had been depped on the records and that there was a producer out there somewhere with fingers and ears of solid gold

I wish [u]I[/u] was an overhyped overrated talentless millionaire.