[Closed] Moral question of the day....

d) mind your own business

Knife the tyres, then they'll have to buy new ones!

e)surf cycling websites for new stuff.

F)smash windows and torch it

ignore it uplink.... that's what they did in Germany once upon a time and look what happened! (OK a bit of an extreme analogy).

Once upon a time people had a sense of civil duty where they basically looked after each other. Where has that gone now?

Works car park- private land.
Delivered there by trailer.
Someone in the company left it?

Fail to see the problem.

Call anti-terrorist squad and get it nuked!!!

oh my goodness, Godwin's law in 6 posts about a car!

My rears were just legal on last MOT, a fail on this years when I had them replaced.

employ rule d.

Could have been doing some circle work. You know? Spinning brodies. Doughnuts.

b. They may not have noticed they tyres or are hoping they won't be nicked, but bald tyres are unsafe especially in the wet.
Beemer drivers aren't known for being the most considerate so there's a more-than-average chance of them mowing someone down: if they don't get the tyres seen to it's your civic duty to report, mean as it seems.

Reverse the situation.

Imagine you are driving an older car and are on a low income. You genuinely have overlooked your tyres but have recently noticed them. When you get paid in two weeks, they are right at the top of your to-do list. Suddenly someone reports you. Hefty fine, no car. Screwed.

Alternatively it could be some pikey who really couldn't care less about the safety of his car as long as he has got his fag and beer money.

Either way who are you to make the call?

Edit: On reflection, option B.

nickc - unless the guy does donuts every day for fun (always wondered what those strange black marks in the carpark were...) then there is no way he was 'just' legal last year.

Uplink - would you be the first to complain that nobody had said anything as he slid 2 ton of metal gracefully into the side of you whilst you were riding your bike?

does it have a tax disc? I'd be tempted to shop him for sure and as for this

Once upon a time people had a sense of civil duty where they basically looked after each other. Where has that gone now?

Looking after people surely includes stopping people from driving dangerous cars? would you shop a drunk driver?

BMW, rwd & bald tyres & private car park, sounds like fun to me 😉

I have a motorbike current sat in our office car park with absolutely zero tread on either tyre - you can denounce me if you want

PS - it's taxed & insured 😉

oh my goodness, Godwin's law in 6 posts about a car!

Indeed!

This is just ruddy pedantry, its private land maybe they are storing it there until it goes tot he workshop for next MOT, nobody has broken any laws and there is no evidence that they are about to.

This reminds me of a certain American president who carried Pre-emptive strikes killing gawd knows how many innocents. GET A LIFE

If the car always sits there, then perhaps say nothing as it might be there for storage (or other) as mentioned above.

Otherwise I would do b.

Chances are the person never checks his/her tyres and will get them sorted.
I noticed someone here has front tyres well below the legal limit and mentioned it, as I'd feel bad if I said nothing and she either had an accident because of them or got stopped by the Police & was done for 2 illegal tyres.

For those who are saying perhaps he's on a low income/waiting 'til pay day etc. I'm sure he/she would rather pay for new tyres than the fine for two illegal ones (which I believe it up to £1000/tyre) or find their insurance is invalid if they have a smash as their tyres were fubared.

It never fails to amaze me the amount of people that just cant help sticking their noses into other peoples business.

Your seriously thinking about getting a traffic officer involved?

Driving a dangerous and illegal car is everybodies business. It could be you he hits.

would you shop a drunk driver? Whats the moral difference?

it amazes me the number of people who will turn a blind eye to drivers ignoring the law [and therefore being a greater risk to everyone]and come up with eleaborate stories/fantasies to explain their poor behaviour in terms of car maintenance/law abidence.
Note and shop for me

Driving a dangerous and illegal car is everybodies business

Do you want details of where my motorbike is TJ?

A few weeks ago I noticed my neighbours front tyres were worn right down to the canvas on the inside (or whatever it is nowadays!). I deliberated about telling her as she can be a funny cow, but I reasoned that I'd rather tell her and get a mouthful than hear about her having an accident that injured her or someone else.

She thanked me in the end as she was about to go on a 500mile trip a few days later!

I'd leave a note on the window, give them a few weeks.... and then shop them!

uplink - Member

Do you want details of where my motorbike is TJ?

I am suspecting there is something tricky going on here as I can't believe someone would ride a motorcycle with bald tyres - apart from anything else the handling would be weird as the profiles would be all over.

Got slicks on your road bike?

Driving a dangerous and illegal car is everybodies business. It could be you he hits.

I thought the OP said it was parked up in a private car park?

If it is being used on a public road, then that's a different story

shop 'em.

I am suspecting there is something tricky going on here

Just like the OP - you don't really know you're just putting 2 & 2 together & hoping the outcome is 4

ski - fair point - I was assuming checking that the car was moved / driven first - as you say no offence when on private land

My rears were just legal on last MOT, a fail on this years when I had them replaced.

PS - it's taxed & insured

Insurance is invalidated if the car is unroadworthy (i.e. MOT failiure on a safety issue).

Shop him, what if it was your missus driving home infront of him in the rain and has to stop in a hurry? Or your kid crossing the road?

As for keeping your nose out of other peoples business, where do you draw the line, growing dugs, dealing drugs, carrying a gun, plotting a terrorist attack? None of those will in any likelyhood affect me, but I'd still tell the police?

If he's nothing to hide then he wont be bothered, if you report it at least it will flag up on ANPR if he's driving it on the roads.

Definitely report to the police. Remember, cars are dangerous at the best of times, what with the thousands who die or are seriously injured every year, so bald tyres are symptomatic of a general disregard of public safety.

And as for

Imagine you are driving an older car and are on a low income.

Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. So if you can't afford to pay for insurance/MOT/new tyres/whatever other car shit you need: DON"T DRIVE.

I think some people on here need transporting back in time to 1935 Germany.

It's none of your business until it becomes your business.

The only persons who will have to live with the consequences of anything that [u]MAY [/u]go wrong, if, perchance the owner is actually guilty of any wrong doing in the first place, are the owner and any aggrieved party.

ASSUME makes an [u]ASS[/u] out of [u]U[/u] & [u]ME[/u]

Can't believe the scorn being poured on the OP. If this was some other case of someone having dangerous equipment that could result in injury or loss of life I think everyone would agree the best thing to do would be draw it to the owners attention and then report if it isn't rectified. But because this is a car and it's "a mans right to own and drive a car however the **** he likes" the OPs getting shot down. I don't dislike cars but I really hate our car culture.

*assuming the car is in use not just temporarily stored off road, but as it's a works car park I'd say it's not an unreasonable assumption, doubt my employer would let a car be stored on the CP.

Okay, to clear clear it's not parked up, it was parked - it wasn't there this morning so it's definitely in use.

Carpark is shared with the telesales side of the company so I can get the fact they may be hard up and waiting payday at end of month.

If it's around later when I go home I'll pop a nice note on it just to let them know. Give them the benefit of the doubt in a nice helpful manner. They may well have just brought the car in yesterday with the sole intention of going to tyre place.

Still bald next month may be a different matter. Several people have noticed them even in my team so can't believe something won't be said.

Join the police!

Sounds like you notice too many things!

don simon - Member
Works car park- private land.

If the car park has any markings (parking bays, give ways etc) then road laws still apply.

As for keeping your nose out of other peoples business, where do you draw the line, growing dugs, dealing drugs, carrying a gun, plotting a terrorist attack?

what he said

As for keeping your nose out of other peoples business, where do you draw the line, growing dugs, dealing drugs, carrying a gun, plotting a terrorist attack?

what he said

I'd keep my nose out of all of the above, until it directly threatens me.
As i look out of my window, 20 yard away there is access to trails leading directly to Manchester.
Cars pull up at all hours at the style. occupants debuss and walk 300 yd in to the shrubbery to meet someone who walks the other way. Hands are shook. They turn around and part.

A total nugget could read what's going on like book. Do i grass 'em? No. i couldnt give a flying F**C what they want to inject, and it isnt harming me in any way whatsoever.

If any of the STW gods little policemen want my address to grass them up, feel free PM me, with the caveat you supply your full name and address.
Or alternatively, GET A LIFE

Does it look its recently gone over into bald or run for alongtime bald?

I'd just report it. It'd step out viciously in the wet and take someone out.
Its not snitching its being a good citizen

TJ will be along soon to rubbish the argument/wear me down

No. i couldnt give a flying F**C

maggie must be proud - there is no society

Marxist by wish, Tory by practicality.

Hora - I basically agree with you.

U31 - the difference is the potential for an innocent victim

Cars pull up at all hours at the style. occupants debuss and walk 300 yd in to the shrubbery to meet someone who walks the other way. Hands are shook. They turn around and part.

A total nugget could read what's going on like book. Do i grass 'em? No. i couldnt give a flying F**C what they want to inject, and it isnt harming me in any way whatsoever.

Until you come home to find smackheads have raided your house for stuff they can sell for more gear....

I don't believe in grassing/snitching whatever, but Heroin and Crack dealing is a bit of a step up from a bit of Hash or Weed. Hard drugs cause real devastation to peoples' lives, and any attempts to clamp down should be made. I don't care what someone wants to smoke/sniff/inject, but I do care that mine and others homes and property remain safe and secure from thieves and vagabonds. As well as peoples' personal safety. Many robberies are drug related. Some robberies end with tragic consequences.

If I see someone stealing your bike, should I ignore it, as it doesn't affect me?

Rear drive as well isn't it? That really is a recipe for a serious accident.

I've never gotten to the point where I've had bald tyres- not even on the nearside-front leading edge FFS.

Shows disregard for others IMO.

Again, that isn't my or your problem, unless it's you or me who is victimised of course.

Life can be full of shoulda woulda coulda. We all end up in a box one day, so just keep yer head down, your eyes and ears open and concern yourself with the happiness of you and those you hold dearest.
So quit being a sour owd fart and get on with it, you'll be far happier.
Anyone wanna give [u][b]real[/b][/u] odds on this car ever having an accident where the rear tyres are the [u][b]absolute[/b][/u] deciding factor?
Infinitesimal i'd wager.

b

Quick google search:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/7607143.stm

Elfn safety... My house is covered by this magical thing...

You pay this wizard called "Broker" and all your stolen stuff is turned in to shiney new things.

Raid away. Please.

On the same note, rear end my car or van. Pretty please.

Midge, only a quick scan through that link, but looks like he was speeding in bad weather? A number of deciding factors involved in the crash there i'd say.

One case makes bad statistics..

missingfrontallobe - Member

don simon - Member
Works car park- private land.

If the car park has any markings (parking bays, give ways etc) then road laws still apply.

Are you kidding me?
So a works car park with no public access, i.e. a sign saying "No public access", yet with markings has public laws applied.
I can understand, maybe, a large shop which has public/private parking on their own land, the law would apply.
But a carpark solely for staff use, authorised use???

Maybe the driver takes the good tyres into the office as a security precaution and leaves the car with crap tyres in the street. That way, if the car is stolen the driver doesn't lose his new alloys and tyres. 😀 💡

Absolutely U31, it could also have been due to his dubious t-shirt design!

I believe that previous STW threads have already decided that speeding doesn't increase accident risk 😉

More like his grossly miss-proportioned fizzog 😛

if only surfer matt were here to tell us about the performance of this car; and perhaps we might also hear about was he is currently driving, too?
8)

Actually, Elfinsafety, soft drugs like weed still make millions for drug cartels, and buying it directly finances masses of violence.

U31, I get the sense that you think you're being pragmatic and practical, but really you're just being selfish, in my opinion.

If only glupton was here: he could tell us how he could write his name in tyre marks with it after everyone else has gone home. Or even between the remaining cars at quarter past five.

Oh, back on topic: no harm in leaving a friendly 'i just happened to notice' note under the wiper and see what happens after payday. Some people really just don't notice. I have a friend with a 10 year old 316 'compact' who probably wouldn't notice until about half a mile after one of the tyres blew out!

Elfn safety... My house is covered by this magical thing...

Ok then. I see you getting beaten up and robbed. Should I just walk away, as it's not affecting me? 🙄

Actually, Elfinsafety, soft drugs like weed still make millions for drug cartels, and buying it directly finances masses of violence.

Fair point. I suppose I was thinking more of the immediate effect of the crime on a particular area. By and large, Cannabis dealing doesn't cause anywhere near the problems that come with Heroin and Cocaine. In fact, the homegrown weed industry has reduced the amount needing to be imported from overseas, thus reducing the associated crime. Dope smokers don't tend to rob old ladies of their pension, to fund their next 'hit'.

But you know what I was on about anyway! 😉

Grossley selfish mate.

I work like this
Order of importance i look after...
Me
Wife
Kids
immediate family- ma, siblings, inlaws
Close friends (very few)
Good friends (probly 10 or so)
Next door nieghbours

If i'm not in sh*t state, then those directly beneath me benefit.

I stop caring what people who do not matter to me think of me, i dont buy flash cars and oversize widescreen tv's to appear important to neighbours or colleagues i hardly know.
People in the above list know i'm more than comfortable in the skin i'm in, and know me well enough to get the gist that i'm my own man and not an accumulation of tat where the price of everything is known at the expense of its value, nor will i bow down to peer pressure when it is crystal clear that there are other equally relevant viewpoints, just to impress or appear to "Fit In " to societal norms.

I would suggests this makes me a far better person all round. I at least try and look at all viewpoints before forming an opinion, not joining a kneejerk bandwaggon because that is what is expected.

I'll listen to advice. I'll back down when i'm proven wrong, but trust me, in regards to this thread i'm bang on the money.

To summarise, the morality of driving on bald tyres, taking away the legal aspect for one moment, is entirely the remit of the driver. You cant legislate for morality, even though the last 15 years it is what the government has tried to do just so.
Either the driver knows he poses potential hazard or he is a moron. But on the flip side of the same coin a driver poses a potential hazard by just driving the car, full stop, weather its just this second left the factory, or its held together with bailing twine and bean cans.

Elf.
Absolutely.

Why put yourself in harms way for a stranger.

thanks to U31 for that awesome little homily!

U31

I'll listen to advice. I'll back down when i'm proven wrong, but trust me, in regards to this thread i'm bang on the money.

In your opinion only. Myself I have a broader vision of society than your very narrow selfish one

So you wouldn't shop a drunk driver? What about if you see someone walking own the street with a gun?

How about if you saw a women being beaten up? Would you walk on by or assist? Even report that to the police?

No and no, as a similar question was asked earlier. That is what we have a police force for. (caveat, in an ideal society)
And i'll say again. Folk are dangerous stone cold sober and driving the best possible equipment.

Do you want me to tell you the story about me and 3 off duty doormen standing idly by while the biggest riot in history i have ever witnessed happened 100 yd from where we were standing, while bar managers begged us to help?

So we know now you are selfish and self centred with no moral compass. Nice. its a good job the world is not full of folk like you. I do hope you don't need somones assistance one day.

U31 - Member

Do you want me to tell you the story about me and 3 off duty doormen standing idly by while the biggest riot in history i have ever witnessed happened 100 yd from where we were standing, while bar managers begged us to help?

U31, is there any more of that story left to tell? I suppose you remember it so well cos you got your shoes all bloody stepping over injured folk on the way home?

[edit] lordy, TJ you have found your true opposite at last! I like to think that if you two ever met, there would be some kind of Physics Event and both of you would diappear in a cloud of subatomic particles.

U31 ok so you obviously don't give a sh!t but what happens if this BMW ploughs in to the back of you tomorrow? I bet you give a sh!t then?

I'd shop the owner. You have a duty to maintain your car in a road worthy standard and just saying he might not have know he had bald tyres is just rubbish, its about personal responsibility.

Shop, but will the Police actually do anything?

What use would it have been, for the 4 of us getting thrown in to the back of the van along with the rioters, getting charged and fined. Do you think the police could have differentiated in that mellee? I sure as hell couldn't.
This is called the real world.

Dunc, i'd claim whiplash and get a new car.
It's no biggie, is it?
And as for the BMW being uninsured, there is legal provision for that event, a friend got paid very handsomely for just that.

If the the crash didnt kill you but, I guess that wouldnt bother you either would it 😐

Sorry Julian, i missed your post, no actually, i doubled back and walked home the opposite way, a mile extra but better then the possible alternative of getting beaten up or worse.

I explained to the bar manager almost what i said up there, words to the effect : i'm full of vodka, these lads are no longer on duty, so in the eyes of the police we'd be part of the problem, not part of the cure.

Kinnel dunc, now your being facetious! how could i give a damn when i'm dead! 😛

Dunc, i'd claim whiplash and get a new car.
It's no biggie, is it?

Supprisingly enough, it f**** hurts, a lot, for months, I'm approaching the 2 year mark form the accident* and still can't stand up for periods of time.

*not car related, landed on concreet head first, from height and messed up my lower back.

U31 - Member

Sorry Julian, i missed your post, no actually, i doubled back and walked home the opposite way, a mile extra but better then the possible alternative of getting beaten up or worse.

awwww, what an anticlimax. 😛

You see, i'm not a hard case ten men gangsta, and i kind of like the idea of being alive, compis mentis with my full quota of bodily appendages.
Nor do i like the thought of unnecessary criminal convictions.

You have not answered this. You see a woman being badly beaten by one man. do you intervene?

Supprisingly enough, it f**** hurts, a lot, for months, I'm approaching the 2 year mark form the accident* and still can't stand up for periods of time.

*not car related, landed on concreet head first, from height and messed up my lower back.

Yup. Roger that.
14 year ago i fell out the trailer of a waggon i was driving and landed on my coccyx.
3 month after it hit me, i couldnt walk, lying down, sitting or standing was agonising, i had to overdose nearly on painkillers just to do basic functions. Socks and shoes were a joke, and still to this day after a long ride or a fierce single track my back will lock up when i get home and sit down.

Yeah U31 I think even secretly you may have gone a bit too far with yourself to prove a point. I fully believe in live and let live and from the initial description it was stated that the vehicle was in the works car parks so fine leave alone.

But now the OP has explicitly stated that it has moved. You could argue that the vehicle has been taken away on the back of a lorry, and it may well return on the back of a lorry for a multitude of reasons.

So unless it has been seen driving on a public road then no crime has been committed and there has been no danger tot he public. I would wait until I see it driving on the road, like entering and leaving the car park, and then I would just fone the cops and tell them.

I defo would not leave a note or have any personal communication with the driver/owner, who know what kind of wrath that may bring. I mean if he's the kind of guy who would disrespect the law with regard to tyres maybe he disregards the law in other ways. No thanks.

Tandem, yes i did answer. Its still no. No.
More likely then not the girlfreind turns on you too.
Your either trolling or have lead a very sheltered life?

Lol toys, sometimes you need to go to extremes to get a point across when someone is unwilling to listen.

There is always a contextual turning point where a moral compass kicks in. I abhor fighting. I have done though. I normally wouldnt step in, but if its obviously bullying, i have....

don simon - Member

missingfrontallobe - Member

don simon - Member
Works car park- private land.

If the car park has any markings (parking bays, give ways etc) then road laws still apply.

Are you kidding me?

No. If someone hits your car in a "private" car park, how do you think you're still able to claim on their insurance? Or would you not?

I was told this information by local police BTW when my missus car was hit by someone in a carpark who left false details, they pretty much said if she could ID who had hit her car then they'd assist in sorting things out (fail to stop etc). Sadly she didn't and was left with a £700 insurance claim on a new car.