There are many causes of deforestation and actually the demand for palm oil and Soya beans is the biggest cause of deforestation
This I don't get. You understand the issue and the cause, but won't do anything about it. Essentially saying deforestation on the other side of the world is someone else's problem.
This I don't get. You understand the issue and the cause, but won't do anything about it. Essentially saying deforestation on the other side of the world is someone else's problem.
Pretty standard whataboutery, unfortunately. I get it every day. It usually backfires when people find out that most of the world's soya is grown to feed cows, not vegans. Also, most vegans avoid palm oil and some meat eaters do, too.
I'm also not a great fan of soya products, but do use them from time to time. But obviously, all vegans are the same, so soya use is all my fault.
If we stopped eating palm oil and switched to something else, say coconut oil,then demand for that would rise and it would become a major cause of deforestation. Just because a product has lower global production doesn't mean it has a lower environmental footprint in per capita terms.(personally I avoid palm oil because products containing it tend to be not very nice)
Coconut oil demand is already a problem (I was reading about this just yesterday).
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Soylent Green is people!
Three pages on a non-story that has been created by a load of people wanting their five minutes of fame.
If anyone asks me for a defining example of "First World Problems" I would refer them to this non-issue.
Anyway, I don't recall anyone suggesting you actually eat a new fiver(?)
The story, danny, is the way a non-story has been turned into a significant issue (whilst ignoring the far more significant ones).
If we did go back to subsistence living would it be easier or harder to then be vegan? I mean small holdings where 100% of the animal would be used with the tallow making candles/soap, the skin being used for leathers and the dung used as fertiliser would be then way it was done before.
And still is, tallow is still used for those products, as well as a lubricant in the production of polymer pellets for a great many plastic products that everyone uses daily, the skin is used for many leather products, bones rendered down, marrow used, etc.
I have no issues with animal products, provided the animals themselves are looked after correctly, treated respectfully, and slaughtered properly.
Far better an unlimited resource than using non-replaceable petrochemical products.
provided the animals themselves are looked after correctly, treated respectfully, and slaughtered properly.
Where is this utopia you speak of?
Three pages on a non-story that has been created by a load of people wanting their five minutes of fame.
I guess this is at least partly aimed at me, as the OP. Rest assured, of all the things I've done, and of all the things that I consider as 5 minutes of fame, this is not it. 🙂 (and, in fact, I've had what I consider the only one I'll ever have long ago 🙂 and it was better than this but still really, really not much cop 😀 )
I have no issues with animal products, provided the animals themselves are looked after correctly, treated respectfully, and slaughtered properly.
Do they use organic tallow for fivers?
Far better an unlimited resource
Is there an (organic) tallow mountain somewhere that we don't know about?
The bad news is that tallow is used in many polymer ingredients. In other words any of the rubber components on your bike could contain tallow in the same vanishingly small amounts as the new fivers...
[quote=dazh ]Is there an (organic) tallow mountain somewhere that we don't know about?
Alternatively - what else should we do with a by product of the meat industry which would exist whether or not we used tallow for things?
Some googling appears to suggest that many of the polymers we use for packaging, food storage etc. could have some animal derived products added for lubricants or property enhancers at some point along the way.
So that would mean many many more things would not be vegan..
If people get upset this may not be a bad thing. Less packaging or at least biodegradable packaging.
I can't wait until they start farming us humans to feed the trees
You know how trees work, right? We've been doing exactly that for millennia.
