[Closed] Mmmmmmm. Heinz Tomato......

Mmm...I know, decent ham with bit of Colemans English & dipped in Heinz tomato soop, Yummee.

Just a shame it sits heavy if your got to do a lot of bending you get soup burps.

I think Heinz tomato soup is utterly horrible, so much so that the very idea of eating it makes me feel slightly ill.

Although I seem to be in a minority here...

Nah lovely stuff. Proper childhood nostalgia, like Macaroni Cheese 😀

The only soup with added radioactive red dye. Cant beat that surely? ;o)

the soup equivalent of crack?

No, the soup equivalent of cack.

It's foul disgusting and inedible imo, thanks largely to the fact that large quantities of pure sugar are included in it's ingredients.

Why anyone would want to add sugar to their soup, is quite frankly beyond me. It's "soup" not "jam" ffs.

It's foul disgusting and inedible imo, thanks largely to the fact that large quantities of pure sugar are included in it's ingredients.

Lol, very true. And they get sweeter as the acidity in the soup eats away at the laquer in the can. Yum!

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Why anyone would want to add sugar to their soup, is quite frankly beyond me. It's "soup" not "jam" ffs.

I reckon you'll be pressed to find any tinned soup that doesn't have a little sugar in it. They use it to balance the salt which is used to preserve it.

I reckon you'll be pressed to find any tinned soup that doesn't have a little sugar in it.

I reckon you'd be pressed to find me eating any tinned soup.......sugar and "salt to preserve it" ffs ? 😯

The last time I ate tinned soup was sometime in my early childhood, when I was forced to. I love soup mind - just not tinned syrup.

And as for macaroni cheese ........isn't that tinned pasta in milk ?

I reckon you'd be pressed to find me eating any tinned soup.....

Well done, but sadly not everyone has the time, money or inclination to make soup from scratch every time they want some.

And as for macaroni cheese ........isn't that tinned pasta in milk ?

Pretty much. Tinned macaroni cheese is horrible tho - I was thinking the big trays of it you get in old cafes, with a layer of burnt brown cheese on top, a strange powdery texture to the sauce and the odd surprise tomato. Add a squirt of tommy sauce. Delicious!

Tomato soup with chunks of cheddar in the bottom of it and pickled onion Monster Munch floating on top. You won't see that on Masterchef but damn it is good.

Mmmm do like grated cheese on top also dipping chips in it.

Why anyone would want to add sugar to their soup, is quite frankly beyond me. It's "soup" not "jam" ffs.

How would you make cream of tomato?

Just did a search and found [url= http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Pure-Cream-of-Tomato-Soup-40044 ]a recipe for making your own Cream of Tomato Soup (epicurious.com)[/url] but it still contains 1½ teaspoons of salt and the same again of sugar.

Is there a good salt/sugar free version?

The last time I ate tinned soup was sometime in my early childhood,

ration books was it?

🙂

Tomato Soup - makes a good pie filling too, or pasta bake.

The last time I ate tinned soup was sometime in my early childhood,

..sometime last week then?

I think we've now managed to insult GG at both ends of the age scale 🙂

you can't beat it. It is the [b]one true soup[/b]

+1 to added cheddar.
White bread and butter (none of that marge/olive style spread)

Sugar and salt aren't necessarily bad, you know...You are allowed to eat them.

I think we've now managed to insult GG at both ends of the age scale

Well I prefer Heinz oxtail soup. I used to like their kidney soup but they stopped doing it many years ago.

Sugar and salt aren't necessarily bad

Indeed they're not. However sugar in soup is a rubbish idea imo.

Still, there's no accounting for American/English/Anglo-Saxon gastronomically tastes 😐

It's ****ing horrible stuff just awful.

Still, there's no accounting for American/English/Anglo-Saxon gastronomically tastes

Ahem:

[url= http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/french_onion_soup/ ]French Onion Soup, Ingredients: 1/4 teaspoon of sugar[/url]

LOL that's "French" onion soup for Anglo-Saxons ! 😀

Eg....the Continental definition of cheese :

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The Anglo-Saxon definition of cheese :

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tut tut GG, knocking Anglo Saxon cheese so.

Neals Yard Dairy (as worked in by a friend of mine) ONLY stocks BRITISH cheeses. And alledgedly:

A recent count shows that The Specialist Cheesemakers Association has over 150 registered members in Britain, making over 450 unique cheeses (we possibly have more individually different cheeses now than the French!)

The Anglo-Saxon definition of cheese

That looks like American "cheese food" to me.

[url= http://www.cheeseboard.co.uk/facts ]The (Anglo-Saxon) UK has over 700 different cheeses[/url] - many of which can compete with the best France can produce.

LOL that's "French" onion soup for Anglo-Saxons !

Indeed I tried looking for genuine French recipes - but they all used Cognac or Brandy instead of sugar, which is much the same effect.

But the point was that plenty of [u]non[/u] American/English/Anglo-Saxon soups contain sugar:

[url= http://china.chinaa2z.com/china/html/tourism/2008/20081027/20081027165550245054/20081027165624701273.html ]Bingtang Jiayu (Steamed Turtle in Crystal Sugar Soup) - China[/url]

we possibly have more individually different cheeses now than the French!

Pffft......it's about 'quality' not 'quantity'. I'm sure that there's more varieties of canned soups, processed cheeses, and processed mint "peas" here than in France, it doesn't say much about British culinary achievements,
does it ?

Although I won't deny that Anglo-Saxon cuisine has improved vastly in recent years.......but considering that Anglo-Saxons started later than everyone else in trying to make food taste good, there's still a fair way to go.

A good example though, is New Covent Garden soups. But why buy canned soup when you can buy NCG
soups ? 😕

Anyone with a negative impression of English cheeses isn't to be taken seriously in a debate about food.
Stick to the politics Gus, you seem to have a clue about that.

Pffft......it's about 'quality' not 'quantity'.

Pffffft.....

"Over 150 judges from 24 countries, including Mexico, South Africa, Japan and Australia, sampled the 2,440 entries in a marathon tasting session before choosing the winner. Around 140 cheeses from around the world were given gold awards, each of which was tasted for a second time by an international jury of 13 experts from 10 countries.

British cheeses performed well with two, Saint Giles from High Weald Dairy and a Blue Stilton from Long Clawson both making it into the final 13 gold award-winning cheeses tasted by the Supreme jury."

-- [url= http://www.finefoodworld.co.uk/content/WorldCheeseAwards/62.html ]World Cheese Awards 2009, Guild of Fine Food.[/url]

Anyone with a negative impression of English cheeses isn't to be taken seriously in a debate about food.

But someone who can't tell the difference between Cognac and sugar as an ingredient, can be taken seriously in a debate about food ? 😀

someone who can't tell the difference between Cognac and sugar as an ingredient

The rich flavour in French Onion soup (real or Anglicized) comes from caramelising the onions. You can caramelise them with cognac, brandy or sugar.

Both add sweetness (and calories).

A good example though, is New Covent Garden soups. But why buy canned soup when you can buy NCG
soups ?

Price? Shelf life?

NCG still has sugar in it though, maybe they are making jam?

New Covent Garden: Plum Tomato & Mascarpone
Plum tomatoes (43%), water, onions, tomatoes (8%), tomato paste, olive oil, mascarpone cheese (1.8%), [u]sugar[/u], basil, salt, garlic, black pepper, oregano, rosemary.

NCG still has sugar in it though

Some do (they obviously feel a need to cater for those who like sugar in the their tomatoes soup) but not the ones which I buy.

How to order English food :

Heinz tomato is the only tinned soup I will eat! But it has to be with very cheap and nasty white bread to dip in. Infact, tear up said bread and drop in into the soup and then eat it off the spoon!

Oh, and sugar in any form is complete and utter poison!

I don't really do any kind of packaged soups. They always somehow taste of plastic garlic!

Some do (they obviously feel a need to cater for those who like sugar in the their tomatoes soup) but not the ones which I buy.

Oh right. [url= http://www.newcoventgardenfood.com/site/search.asp ]So which ones do you buy then?[/url]

[b]NCG: Plum Tomato & Basil[/b]
Plum tomatoes (43%), water, onions, tomatoes, tomato paste, olive oil, [u]sugar[/u], basil (0.9%), garlic, salt, cracked black pepper, oregano, rosemary.

[b]NCG: Sun Dried Tomato & Mascarpone[/b]
Water, risotto rice (16%), tomatoes, onions, sun dried tomato paste (4%), tomato paste, Parmigiano Reggiano cheese, mascarpone cheese (2%), olive oil, dry white wine, salt, [u]demerara sugar[/u], garlic, parsley, basil, thyme, oregano, cracked black pepper.

[b]NCG:Tomato & Fennel[/b]
Tomatoes (38%), water, onions, tomato paste, cooked chickpeas, spinach, cooked borlotti beans, olive oil, [u]demerara sugar[/u], salt, garlic, ground coriander, fennel seed, oregano, cayenne pepper.

[b]NCG: Plum Tomato & Mascarpone[/b]
Plum tomatoes (43%), water, onions, tomatoes (8%), tomato paste, olive oil, mascarpone cheese (1.8%), [u]sugar[/u], basil, salt, garlic, black pepper, oregano, rosemary.

So which ones do you buy then?

Most commonly, Winter Vegetable, Tomato & Chunky Veg, and often Soup of the Month - although I haven't tried Page 48 yet. I occasionally have Wild Mushroom and Carrot & Coriander. I also sometimes have Tesco or Sainsburys own brand fresh soup - but never those which include sugar in their ingredients.

Thanks for caring btw 8)

Hmmmm... so your solution to the problem of sugar turning tomato soups into "jam" is to go for the one that contains honey instead?

(which actually contains more sugar than some of the soups above that list sugar as an ingredient)

Genius. 🙄

Thanks for caring btw

Just striving to meet your high levels of perfection ernie. 😉

(Plus its always good to hear about ways to avoid sugar, as MrsGrahamS is diabetic)

so your solution to the problem of sugar turning tomato soups into "jam" is to go for the one that contains honey instead?

😀 GrahamS - tomatoe, carrots, etc, are [i]packed[/i] with sugar. Any soups made with such ingredients will by definition, be sweet. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with, is the sheer quantity of sugar which Heinz shovels into their tinned tomato soup, which in my opinion, turns it into a sickly sweet syrup which obliterates any real tomato flavour. In comparison, the addition of very small quantity of honey by NCG, has a negligible effect. Although I would probably prefer they didn't bother - I tend to avoid tomato soups precisely because manufactures have a tendency of finding creative ways of making them sweeter, eg, adding orange juice, sweet potato etc. Gazpacho I like (specially on a hot sweltering day) as the the soup's ingredients can actually be tasted - rather than half a packet of soup. I also have a problem with Heinz canned tomato soup being bright orange in colour - a completely unnatural appearance imo. And incidentally in the same vein, I disapprove of some manufacturers adding sugar to their peas to make them sweeter - I have never sprinkled sugar on my 'petit pois' FFS. Of course at the end of the day, it's all just down to taste.............and culture and refinement 😉

Generally, 1/2ish a teaspoon of sugar gets added to anything I make with tomatoes in, seems to bring out the tomatoey flavour.

ernie: I wasn't holding up Heinz Cream of Tomato soup as something good. The whole point of this thread was that it is a guilty pleasure. I'm just defending my point that practically all packaged soups contain sugar. NCG, as I've shown, are not immune from this.

the sheer quantity of sugar which Heinz shovels into their tinned tomato soup

Heinz Cream of Tomato (82p for 400g tin).
Nutrion per 100g:

Fat 3.0g
Sat Fat 0.2g
Sugar 4.9g
Salt 0.7g

NCG Tomato and Chunky Veg (£1.96 for 600g)
Fat. 1.5g
Sat Fat. 0.6g
Sugar. 3.4g
Salt. 0.5g

there really isn't that huge a gulf between the obviously not-so-healthy dirty pleasure of the Heinz, compared with the healthy luxury of your chosen NCG.

(and there is always the Heinz Weight Watchers option if you're that arsed about half a teaspoon of sugar)

NCG Tomato and Chunky Veg (£1.96 for 600g)

Tesco are selling 2 for £3.00 at the moment ........so get yourself down to Tesco for some sugar and salt reduced fresh tomato soup which tastes of tomatoes - at bargain prices.

Sugar and fat reduced: 66p a can

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Fat 0.5g
Sat Fat Trace
Sugar 2.8g
Salt 0.8g

Mmmmm........tinned Heinz Weight Watchers tomato soup.....sounds absolutely delicious.

Do they do a tinned Weight Watchers Macaroni Cheese as well ?

It's probably not as tasty as Classic tomato soup, but that's the price you pay for avoiding those "shovels" of sugar. Incidentally the [URL= http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydiet/fss/sugars/ ]FSA considers less than 5g sugar per 100g to be Low/Green on their traffic light system.[/URL]

Do they do a tinned Weight Watchers Macaroni Cheese as well ?

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that's the price you pay for avoiding those "shovels" of sugar

And having that delicious calorie-free artificial sweetener Acesulfame K instead !

Heinz Weight Watchers Tomato Soup ingredients :

Tomatoes (59%), Water, Modified Cornflour, Sugar, Salt, Dried Skimmed Milk, Vegetable Oil, Whey Protein, Sweetener - Acesulfame Potassium, Spice Extracts, Herb Extract

NCG Tomato & Chunky Veg Soup ingredients :

Tomatoes (31%) water, potatoes, broccoli (5%), sweetcorn (5%), carrots (4%), onions, leeks, cream, swede, celery, wheat flour, honey, olive oil, salt, oak-smoked garlic, parsley, smoked paprika, cracked black pepper. Vegetables 35%

All those yummy ingredients which Heinz cram into their tins.........I really don't know why I bother with NCG 😐

jesus you are boring

The only tinned soup I like is Heinz cream of tomato and, as someone pointed out above, it has to be eaten with platstic bread. Preferably a dairylea sandwich made with plastic bread. Mmmmm.
It IS sweet, and it IS crap, but it's proper comfort food.

I note that the NCG soup mentioned above actually contained 3 times as much saturated fat as the radioactive soup of choice. (Granted it is a tiny amount, but still! I am point scoring here! 😉 )

When I make my own cream of tomato soup I don't add any sugar, just a pinch of salt. I reckon the cream somehow brings out the sweetness. Well, it works for me, anyway.
I prefer to make onion or mushroom soup at home.

I love sugar - i put it on my porridge most mornings. And i allways put salt on my chips or roast potatoes. Am i going to die? 🙁

yes lyons, yes you are.

I can't stand soup. Why would anyone take perfectly good ingredients and mush them up so you could drink them through a straw? Why not have some proper food?

I've heard that tomato soup is made from the still warm blood of slaughtered vegans. So no thanks. 😉

All those yummy ingredients which Heinz cram into their tins.........I really don't know why I bother with NCG

It's not really that shocking that plain, cheap and inexpensive [u]Cream of Tomato[/u] contains less variety of vegetables than the more sophisticated, aspirational, middle-class [u]Vegetable[/u] soup.

It would be more surprising if cream of tomato contained broccoli and carrots, no?

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I've heard that tomato soup is made from the still warm blood of slaughtered vegans

Anyone else finding it amusing to watch ernie "ClassWarrior" lynch extolling the virtues of French cuisine, fine cheeses and posh soup?

Anyone who questions my class warrior credentials on that basis, betrays a serious lack of understanding. I can assure you that the average French, Italian, Spanish, and Greek, poorly educated peasant, knows far more about fine cuisine than the average Waitrose shopper. Furthermore, one of the reasons why good food is particularly highly valued by the French masses is precisely because 200 years ago they staged a revolution - a revolution which amongst other things, established that good food shouldn't simply be the exclusive right of a privileged few. Presumably GrahamS, you believe that the proletariat should be content with eating crap food. And I dare say, you probably also believe that they should be happy living on crap wages, reading crap newspapers, being ill-informed, and powerless ........ I however, beg to differ.

Getting back to your chemical laden canned soup.........you have completely missed the point. I have nothing at all against sugar - I have stacks of the stuff every day - I just don't think that soup should resemble runny jam. So replacing some of the added sugar with artificial sweetener to maintain the 'sweetness' level, would have no effect on me other than possibly making it taste even fouler.

Ahhh we're straying into your home territory now ernie 😀

Presumably GrahamS, you believe that the proletariat should be content with eating crap food.

"Let them eat cack" 😀

No I don't believe that. You presume too much.

However I do believe that if you went to Easterhouse or Possilpark and lectured the lumpenproletariat that they should stop eating crap chemical-laden canned soup and spend their limited funds on fine imported cheese and expensive soup, so they could aspire to be poorly-educated French peasants, then they would put your head on a spike outside Farmfoods.

Getting back to your chemical laden canned soup........

Changing tact again, I thought the charge was added sugar?

What chemicals are you objecting to?:
Tomatoes (84%), Water, Vegetable Oil, Sugar, Modified Cornflour, Salt, Dried Skimmed Milk, Milk Proteins, Cream, Spice Extracts, Herb Extract, Citric Acid

Or are you now re-aiming at the Weigh****chers one, which shock horror, contains some sweetener - hardly "chemical laden" by any measure.

Anyone who questions my class warrior credentials on that basis, betrays a serious lack of understanding.

Well done Graham

LOL ! @ "Let them eat cack" .........nice one - like it 😀

"[i]However I do believe that if you went to Easterhouse or Possilpark ...[/i]"

Yes of course I am fully aware that the "lumpenproletariat" very often eat crap food - there's no disputing that. What puzzles me is why assumed that I would champion crap food. The "lumpenproletariat" also often read crap newspapers, are often ill-informed, and far too often tolerate being economically shafted.......do you also assume that I should be happy to read crap newspapers, be ill-informed, and not mind being economically shafted ?

Sorry to disappoint you mate, but a dairylea & salad cream sandwich dunked in tomato syrup, isn't my idea of 'delicious' food.

I feel flattered that you make reference to my dairylea sandwich dunkers.
🙂

If it makes you feel any better about my diet I will be making roast butternut squash and thyme risotto for tea today... (and I won't be adding sugar to it.)

I will be making roast butternut squash and thyme risotto for tea

Sounds like a right pretentious Guardian-reader, Waitrose-shopper, meal to me............ 😕

You couldn't be more wrong...

Ernie, why are you turning this into such a trial? It's a "guilty" pleasure, you know? People understand fully that Tomato soup really shouldn't be bright orange, and that it's probably a bit sweet, but you know it's not the worst thing in the world to eat...

[i]Waitrose-shopper[/i]

What's wrong with that?

...why are you turning this into such a trial?

Not at all. GrahamS enjoys challenging me, and I enjoy taking the bait, so when he challenged my innocuous comment about Heinz tomato soup being cack, things just started kicking.......

Not the worst thing in the world to eat ? Not sure about that.......although I'll grant you that Graham's other favourite food macaroni cheese, must mount a serious challenge.

do you also assume that I should be happy to read crap newspapers, be ill-informed, and not mind being economically shafted ?

Course not, I just find the image of you storming the House of Lords with a rolled up Socialist Worker in one hand and a Prosciutto & Caciocavallo Podolico tart in the other, quite amusing.

Down with the bourgeoisie. 😀

GrahamS enjoys challenging me, and I enjoy taking the bait,

Guilty 😆

Right, that's it, just ban everyone for being insulting, flaming, trolling and rude.

I've heard that tomato soup is made from the still warm blood of slaughtered vegans.

Ha ha, not from [i]this[/i] vegan's blood: didn't you know that we're so anaemic and poorly-fed that our blood is like water and useless for soup.

Well after reading all this bo**ox, Heinz tomato soup with a ham sarny & mustard dipped in is still my fave snack.
Ta ta.

.....our blood is like water and useless for soup.

Sounds perfect for Heinz canned soup to me.

......obviously you would need to add bucketfuls of sugar to it.

Ernie do you drink pop/beer put sugar in you tea coffee or eat chocolate or biscuits?

Kuco - I have stacks of sugar in my very many daily mugs of coffee. None in tea though.

I'm with mr Gruntfuttock. I'm perfecly aware of what HTS is made and it's still my favourite.

I make my own borscht, onion soup, vegetable broff etc with veg grown on my allotment, and they are fine, but HTS is still the one true soup for me.

There's some good snobbery on here about hts! I love making my own soup, but when you're feeling a bit under the weather nothing beats some hts and white sliced.

piemann - surely you'll be eating pie with your hts?

This thread makes me 😆