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A quote from Pprune this afternoon:
If you want a sensible analysis of what happened, don't go anywhere near STW!
From Mashable, detailing report of burning aircraft from NZ oil worker: http://mashable.com/2014/03/12/malaysia-airlines-370-search-area/
Although the oil company say they have no record of that person on the oil rig 😐
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Has anyone blamed aliens yet? Seems like the most logical solution!
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Although the oil company say they have no record of that person on the oil rig
That I hadn't heard. Curiouser and curiouser, said Alice.
Guardian has report linked to Wall Street Journal that says US investigators have looked at the automatically reported engine data that Rolls Royce collects and that this shows plane continued to fly for 4hrs after contact lost
Might be behind pay wall
this shows plane continued to fly for 4hrs after contact lost
And the Malaysian 'authorities' now say that that wasn't the case...... oh yeah and the Chinese images are not of plane wreckage and were released by mistake - WTF is wrong with these people?
Regardless of the outcome the Malaysians are going to come out of this looking like they can't be trusted to organise a brewery-based evening drink.
Antigee, a graphic from that WSJ report for you;
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Oh yeah..... and why don't RR confirm whether or not they received engine data 4 hours after the plane 'disappeared'?
I'm sure smarter people than me have already considered this, but:
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North Korea would be about 4 hours away?
North Korea would be about 4 hours away?
Interesting idea..off course then shot down by NK. I bet they have good surface to air missiles?
Four hours off course? It's not like they navigate by sextant any more.
It's all just baffling.
IF, and i mean IF, the chinese satellite images were correct, those are some big pieces of plane, wing size pieces of plane, therefore they would have had to hit the ocean at relatively low impact for bits that big to be left. So if that was the case, why no mayday on the way down?
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if this aircraft turned up at an abandoned airport somewhere.
This will help
"I think the plane is still in the air or has crashed into the sea". He said he arrived at this conclusion using, "a fish trap hook and a bamboo binocular to search and ask for the victims to be found as soon as possible."
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if this aircraft turned up at an abandoned airport somewhere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N844AA
Anyone else going to lose the rest of the day to reading Tintin?
did the tintin plane land on a short runway that turned out to be a conveyor belt?
Anyone else going to lose the rest of the day to reading Tintin?
According to that map up there, the aircraft could have reached the island in Flight 714 as well.
did the tintin plane land on a short runhat turned out to be a conveyor belt?
🙂 Temporary runway, with a big net to catch the plane.
Oh yeah..... and why don't RR confirm whether or not they received engine data 4 hours after the plane 'disappeared'?
Because if they started issuing press releases it would confuse the issue. A lot of people seem to be under the misapprehension that the most important thing is keeping the public informed and that if we haven't been told about something it's not happening. I'm sure RR are busy talking to the authorities about what data they do or don't have. If the Malaysian authorities have said that there is no data for the extra 4 hours claimed and RR haven't contradicted them (as they surely would if there was obvious misinformation concerning them, notwithstanding my comment above), then I think we can be fairly confident there is no data.
I also think it's a little unfair to blame the Malaysians for all the conspiracy theories and rumours being published from unofficial sources - I don't think there has been an awful lot wrong with the official dissemination of information. They don't know anything and they're happily admitting that. It's the absence of info which is feeding the rumour mill though - if anybody has a brewery related party problem it's the world media.
Spot on aracer.
So four hours running would take it to Beijing.......... has anyone actually checked to make sure it didn't land?
Anyone thought to look on eBay for a buckshee 777 on a cheap BIN auction?
[quote=sharkbait said]Oh yeah..... and why don't RR confirm whether or not they received engine data 4 hours after the plane 'disappeared'?
Don't think continual streaming of engine data to RR came in until after the 777 engines (according to an aircraft engineer mate of mine).
WSJ has changed their story slightly but added a video with reporter
[url] http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304914904579434653903086282?mod=trending_now_1 [/url]
[i]"Corrections & Amplifications
U.S. investigators suspect Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 flew for hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, based on an analysis of signals sent through the plane's satellite-communication link designed to automatically transmit the status of onboard systems, according to people familiar with the matter. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said investigators based their suspicions on signals from monitoring systems embedded in the plane's Rolls-Royce PLC engines and described that process." [/i]
So a completely different story from "people familiar with the details" and "one person briefed on the matter", now that there previous version has been discredited. Yep, I'm convinced.
I also think it's a little unfair to blame the Malaysians for all the conspiracy theories and rumours being published from unofficial sources
I wouldnt underestimate the dodginess of the malaysian government they regularly score highly in business corruption leagues and a Malaysian friend (who is ethnic chinese) is quite disparaging of the government.
So many armchair experts passing their in depth opinions on aircraft accidents and the pilots flying them.
Wonder how many of you are actually airline pilots?
Two, I think, and a few more working in the aircraft industry.
I'm baffled to be honest. So many overlapping systems yet still no answers. This is the ultimate Swiss cheese scenario. Many years of aviation experience both at work and up home yet every scenario we've came up with has a flaw.
those are some big pieces of plane, wing size pieces of plane, therefore they would have had to hit the ocean at relatively low impact for bits that big to be left.
Having smashed, chomped, chewed and exploded a passenger plane into bits small enough to pack into ikea bags.... a lot of a fuselage is pretty flimsy. The bit between the nose and the first passenger door is tough as hell though, just because of the way all the ribs are converging to a point - the result is that bit is probably stronger than its intended or needs to be. If you remember back to images of Lockerbie - that fuselage had popped like a balloon but the cockpit was all in one piece even after landing on solid ground. The wings are also spectacularly tough. The fuselage we chopped up with a set of jaws on a mechanical digger but the wings took semtex and a cocktail of other explosives and quite a few attempts to break up, they are a whole different species of structure than the main body of the plane.
So in incidents like AF447 the wings remained in fairly sizeable chunks
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Of course the satellite images seemingly aren't correct, I also doubt the wings would float
Looks like Boeing are also saying that data suggests the flight was still going for 4hrs after radar contact lost.
How could that be though, presumably to disappear from radar for 4 hours it would have had to have descended to a very low altitude ?
How low would it need to have gone ?
Obviously easy to disappear from radar over a large open ocean where there are gaps in coverage but between two countries where coverage would have been comprehensive ?
according to the Malaysian government, Rolls Royce releseased a statement saying they did not have signals 4hrs after the last contact
and the chinese seismic undersea bump was 90 minutes after last contact
Having smashed, chomped, chewed and exploded a passenger plane into bits small enough to pack into ikea bags....
I'm pretty sure you can fit an entire kitchen in an IKEA bag
US journalists (despite not being pilots) seem to be getting fed some interesting stuff
[url] http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-malaysia-airlines-radar-exclusive-idUSBREA2D0DG20140314 [/url]
I say interesting as in the US has the technology and resources but obviously not the political will to take the lead - bit sad for the relatives
All three sources declined to be identified because they were not authorized to speak to the media and due to the sensitivity of the investigation.
I think that tells you as much as you need to know about that story.
Re the radar returns. I regularly ignore primary radar returns (think ww2 type radar) as there are always many on the screen caused by anything from weather to building site cranes etc. Once the identity of an aircrafts primary return is lost, it is very hard to re identify it unless you are in contact with the pilot. Normally we are using secondary surveillance radar which "speaks" to the plane but if the pilot turns off his transponder, all we have is primary, ie the problems above. If the primary radar coverage between Vietnam and Malaysia is poor, it could be impossible to track the aircraft.
As I said in a post earlier, there is a counter argument to every point raised, which is why we're all scratching our heads at work.
So in incidents like AF447 the wings remained in fairly sizeable chunks
You know you've posted photos of the tail though, right...?
Obviously
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[quote=njee20 ]You know you've posted photos of the [s]tail[/s] vertical stabilizer though, right...?
Where do you work Cobrakai, out of interest ?
njee20 » You know you've posted photos of the [s]tail[/s] vertical [s]stabilizer[/s] stabiliser though, right...?
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