[Closed] Missing Malaysian Aircraft - is it possible...

Maybe Freddy Laker nicked it to start up again?

Massive sonic boom just occurred over west Wales...

Been attributed to training jets apparently. I think a naughty pilot will be getting a telling off.

For those finding the light-hearted comments seemingly offensive, heres a word of advice: Do not get yourselves a job in the Lloyds Insurance market or any of the associated city insurance brokers and underwriters. You would not last a morning.

The spontaneous humour that quickly circulates the market even before the Lutine bell is struck, is however borderline genius at times.

I fly with them rather often in the past. Still do domestically rather than the cheaper alternative if I can afford. Feel sick in the stomach hearing the news as I flew 10 trips the last few months in that region.

The possible scenarios are:

1. Mid-air explosion.

2. Sudden dive into sea. (plane at bottom of the sea now)

Both scenarios mean captain did not have time to mayday call or react. For scenario 2, something could have happened to the captain.

I expect Airbus are responsible to boost sales of their own aircraft

Flights for the 2 stolen passports were booked in Thailand by a travel agent for an Iranian man called Mr Ali as a middle man...according to 5 live.

They wanted to get to Amesterdam as cheaply as possible, the airport to the world...for me I think they had a bomb, it went off early/by mistake. No claim over it as they messed up and don't want to ruin how they got it aboard for the next attempt.

I think they had a bomb, it went off early/by mistake. No claim over it as they messed up and don't want to ruin how they got it aboard for the next attempt.

Quite an intriguing thought-----there sure seems to be some something odd about the 2 passports. I hadn't seen anything about the Iranian middleman, but did hear the tickets were consecutively numbered, so purchased at the same time.

R5 also said that many flights have passengers with stolen passports and that we shouldn't read too much into just that fact - yet

So if they know they are stolen passports why do they let them on the plane?...

Or do they only check when something goes wrong.

Yeah they did, in fairness they could be just after asylum etc. but the Mr Ali ticket buyer from Iran did sound a bit strange!!

We'll probably never find out.

chewkw - Member

I fly with them rather often in the past. Still do domestically rather than the cheaper alternative if I can afford. Feel sick in the stomach hearing the news as I flew 10 trips the last few months in that region.

The possible scenarios are:

1. Mid-air explosion.

2. Sudden dive into sea. (plane at bottom of the sea now)

or 3. Pressurisation failure, crew and passengers asphyxiate and plane continues flying until it's out of fuel like Helios Flight 522. Guess the apparent loss from radar probably rules that out though?

Quite an intriguing thought-----there sure seems to be some something odd about the 2 passports. I hadn't seen anything about the Iranian middleman, but did hear the tickets were consecutively numbered, so purchased at the same time.

R5 also said that many flights have passengers with stolen passports and that we shouldn't read too much into just that fact - yet

Indeed, and that the tickets were booked by asking for the cheapest route possible to europe (not to amsterdam specifically), rather than booking either a specific flight/route or destination. If planning an attack you'd imagine you'd have a plan as to where and when the attack would happen for the greatest effect - who the passengers are and the territory where it happen.

So if they know they are stolen passports why do they let them on the plane?...

Or do they only check when something goes wrong.

I suspect it didn't become apparent until they contacted the relatives of who they thought were missing/deceased passengers and found them to be alive and well

Nothing really adds up with it, every way you look at it doesn't make sense.

It is indeed possible to fly under the radar. I recall reading about a French pilot who was a very reluctant hero for gliding an air transat flight for over 400 miles without fuel into the Azores. Turned out he was very reluctant as he had learnt that particular skill flying drugs flights from Colombia under the radar into Mexico.

Can't see that happening here, but it is possible. It's a damn sight more likely that the 777 ditched in the sea though. People seem to think it'd be very easy to find something like that, but in reality it is the proverbial needle in the haystack.

As has been mentioned earlier, it was six days before any wreckage was found of the Air France plane and two years before the Black Box was found so it's still early days yet.
Latest news reports are suggesting searches being carried out in areas totally off the flight path though which suggests more is known than is being said...

proverbial needle in the haystack

You've got that right---when I was in the Navy, we went on a search & rescue mission for a 40-foot sailboat in trouble due to an explosion below decks. After the blast, it split in half and started sinking between Long Beach, CA and Catalina Island (about 25 miles)-----even with specific coordinates that the crew radioed that placed it in an area of about 2 square miles---we (and 3 other division ships)reached the area within about 2 hours and searched all day, then through the next night and never found even a trace.

tightywighty - Member

or 3. Pressurisation failure, crew and passengers asphyxiate and plane continues flying until it's out of fuel like Helios Flight 522. Guess the apparent loss from radar probably rules that out though?

That is a possibility but in this particular case it just disappeared from air. There is also a speculation that it was turning back.

As for searching for the plane in the South China Sea that will take sometime because they do not have all the hi-tech stuff to assist them.

searches being carried out in areas totally off the flight path though which suggests more is known than is being said

As for searching for the plane in the South China Sea that will take sometime because they do not have all the hi-tech stuff to assist them.

As a professional pilot, I won't bother to speculate on what happened. Condolences to all involved.
I hope closure comes soon.

I fly the same type as AF447. Yes, the pilots made a tragic series of errors, but why? Look at their training, experience etc.

Many cheap short haul operators (now creeping into long haul market) use cheap pilots who haven't span, stalled, taken aircraft to the limit to find out what happens. They've been brought up on autopilots after a couple of hundred hours and they are the future captains. I still occasionally get to enjoy spinning, but in my day job am glad that I've had many years of hands-on handling. It's saved my life on more than one occasion.

But pilot error is much more complex than just 'screwing up'. Keep asking the 'why' questions. I conducted a training day where one pilot was laying into the crew of a sad fatal, labelling them as 'criminally negligent' . He judged them by the consequences not their actions. They made a mistake that many of us have done (rushed approach) and the resulting chain of events saw them fly into a mountain.

The better you are, the bigger your mistakes become.

RIP

Miketroid.. Posted from your A320 flight deck..?

Agree about the sadness though. Sad days.

News of debris being spotted now 🙁

Miketroid.. Posted from your A3[s]2[/s]30 flight deck..?

If it's the same as AF447 😉

I like the co-pilot's style. The old 'come up to the flight deck and you can see my joystick' trick. [url= http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/mh370-mystery-investigation-shifts-focus-to-thailand-crime-gangs-as-debris-discarded-as-evidence/story-fnizu68q-1226850965067 ]news.com.au[/url]

The plucky pilots reportedly wanted Ms Roos and Ms Maree to change their travel arrangements and extend their stay in Kuala Lumpur and join them on a night on the town.

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The better you are, the bigger your mistakes become.

Thought provoking stuff, and very true.

AF447 - maintenance error, instrument error, pilot error

It's combinatorial failures that are hard to identify and design-out of systems, that cause the disasters.

njee20 - Member
Miketroid.. Posted from your A3230 flight deck..?
If it's the same as AF447

Or Airbus 'commonality'

Looks like debris claims were a hoax.

Now there are reports it was tracked 500km west over the Malacca Straights. http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.579123

It really is very odd that they are struggling to even find the tracking data.

It's [b]combinatorial[/b] failures

I'm anaspeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have read such a pericombobulation.

I was thinking it was odd that I can look out the window and any plane I can see I can track online via [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/flightradar-addicts-whats-out-of-your-window ]flightradar24[/url] or a load of other ways yet a massive plane has completely vanished. It looks like flightradar24 had it though, it also explains a bit of why they might also have lost it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26535248

AF447 - maintenance error, instrument error, pilot error

What were the maintenance and instrument errors?

combinatorial

It's part of applied mathematics, CFH. Heard something very interesting on Radio 4 yesterday, about how the use of Maths and probability helped find the remains of the plane that went missing in 2009.

A mystery, and tragic for all involved.

I see. Please accept my contrafibularities.

http://www.lowyat.net/2014/03/was-there-a-problem-with-the-mh370-boeing-777-200-aircraft/

and

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1zx8m5/china_times_reports_that_the_us_embassy_said_the/

My personal hunch is that the article on lowyat is right and the US military picked up a VHF signal. It's all conjecture though.

A note in the newspaper this morning said that they (interpol?) have been phoning crew mobiles, which have been "ringing out". That'd be odd if they were underwater (ref Metro, London).

"ringing out".

Means the plane went into the side of a hill or it crashed down onto land.

MH370 was NOT fitted with the SATCOM GSM-system.

It's a very strange affair this one.

A note in the newspaper this morning said that they (interpol?) have been phoning crew mobiles, which have been "ringing out".

Pretty sure that is nonsense. If the mobiles were intact, turned on, receiving a signal, and the numbers were known, then the authorities could get a cell tower triangulation on them.

Not super-accurate that far from multiple towers, but it'd be a lot less than the reported "hundreds of square miles" search area.

the metro is the same people(ish) as the daily mail so a pinch of salt...

and an awful lot of supposition and extrapolation in that lowyat article

as for the reddit US military thing, who knows but I think the general rule is that if you saw it on the internet its probably made up is advisable

the mobile phone issue was explained fairly early on...it's an artifact of the mobile network not knowing which cellphone tower to contact as the mobile has dissappeared off the network

If you are looking for cuting edge insight into anything...I'd avoid the Metro

have a look at the thread on Pprune if you really want some proper analysis of whats going on.

If you want a sensible analysis of what happened, don't go anywhere near pprune!

TrekEX8 - Member

If you want a sensible analysis of what happened, don't go anywhere near pprune!

I'll rephrase itthen

If you want to know what a few airline pilots and lots of pilot wannabees think...then have a read of Pprune

A quote from Pprune this morning:

have a look at the thread on singletrackworld if you really want some proper analysis of whats going on.

If you are really bored you can join in the search, apparent spotting of plane shaped object at following link. (map 6060)

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/6060