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they wouldn't [i]all[/i] have to go. Any one or two competent members would suffice
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[i]Are you required by law to attend the house of commons for these inquiries? [/i]
Yep. Next question.
He's used to bullying people to work the way he wants and the way he's behaving towards the Commons is an extension of this 'my way or no way' attitude.
He's trying to say he's more powerful than the House of commons, that they should turn up at his door and see if he deigns to let them in.
That's not the way it works. Even Rupert Murdoch understood that in some things you accept the law of the land and turn up in a committee room and face some MP's for questioning. Who knows maybe this bloke will escape a pieing.
He's used to bullying people to work the way he wants and the way he's behaving towards the Commons is an extension of this 'my way or no way' attitude.
Well, quite. What we're seeing is a clash of egos.
If these occasions were purely about fact-finding, then they should be prepared to take evidence in private session or in writing. But then, of course, they'd lose the ability to get people in front of the cameras and publicly harangue them.
I'm interested to see how far they are willing to test their centuries-old powers of summons/arrest etc in a modern setting. If he carries on telling them to piss off, they would have to send a bloke in stockings and lace up to the North East to drag him to Westminster.
Agree. But he offered to show them his business at his business.
This would be on the special day when everyone is happy and their control collars hidden.
At what point does he fail the fa fit and proper person test.
if Hitler was the manager and won something for Newcastle he'd be hailed as the new Messaiah .
Turning water into wine, feeding the 5000, walking on water would pale into insignificance in comparison to winning something with Newcastle!
The Guy's an arsehole, whether you like the Commons / MPs or Westminster or not, you're not allowed to decide what laws apply to you in the UK - only very arrogant people think they can.
However much money he's got, he's just begging to be made an example of and this won't end well for him.
Avdave Chris H and King Kevin both won the 1dt division....
mikewsmith - MemberAt no point is this a penalty, it's an invitation to discuss stuff. If you were going to change the law wouldn't you want to consult?
I'll just repeat myself, that's not what it'll be. it'll be a very public slagging session. No doubt there'll be some parts of discussion and evidence gathering but that won't be what's reported, it'll be "Margaret Hodge (*) says Mike Ashley is a ****" (* other people are available, but whoever it is, they're likely to call him a ****). It's going to be damaging for him and could be damaging for his business.
If that weren't the case, he'd have no excuse for not wanting to attend. But being realistic, it is. I think it's a situation created by the conduct and manner of select committees. No winners there.
Some interesting replies. I think I am with the majority who see it as political grandstanding.
As a Newcastle supporter I have little time for him. He's belatedly realised that you can't run a football club along normal business lines but ultimately he thinks that money and money alone will get him what he wants - in football it doesn't. Ultimately this has disenfranchised many, many supporters/'customers' with his so called running of the club.
He's a proper product of Tory economic and employment policy in my view and all those who voted for them in the past 2 elections should consider that - don't tell me you didn't expect things like zero hours contracts? However, he is becoming a cause celebre and is far from the only one. I don't see the MD's of Benetton or Primani being called to Parliament.
Government needs to enforce the law (Sports Direct/agencies are widely flouting minimum wages) Parliament needs to change the law.
Wherher he appears before Parliament is irrelevant
He's belatedly realised that you can't run a football club along normal business lines
Feel free to find yourself a fairy godmother. Man U is very much run as a business.
Weren't zero contracts made legal under Labour ? FWIW my kids as students thought zero contracts where very useful. Its a matter of scale and implementation
I think some of his former employees would love to speak, Steve Mclaren, John carver, Chris Houghton, Alan sheerer and Kevin keegan... Treated all of them like shit...
He's a proper product of Tory economic and employment policy in my view and all those who voted for them in the past 2 elections should consider that
Bollocks!
Feel free to find yourself a fairy godmother. Man U is very much run as a business
The 'belatedly' reference was a backhanded compliment given he's dropped £80m on some very average players in Townsend and Shelvey (not his fault, its the MD Charnley's inability to run that side of things). Sadly, he's realised he should spend money on a decent manager and leave him to it but far too late in the day to save us from the Championship now.
Taking this back to SD, it shows he has no time for investing in his staff. He just keeps the wages at rock bottom but this attracts less skilled or committed staff as a result - whether that is a manager at NUFC or a kid shelf stacking at Shirebrook. All very unpleasant.
Bollocks!
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The toon are down (shame for a "big club") and its Fatcher's fault!!
Brilliant.
Would love to condemn MA but cant resist his tennis ball, kids football boots and the odd MTB stuff pricing. Awful shops but Slaz Winbledon balls 30% off v local tennis store!!
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Sorry but it is absolute bollocks. The man has absolutely thrived under every flavour of government we have had. He hasn't made £1.5 Billion in the last few years of tory rule.
I appreciate the perception of MPs and Parliament are at an all time low, but if I were looking for a champion to rail aganinst the system it certainly wouldn't be Mike Ashley.
From the video of his interview on the Sky News website he talks about some of the steps he has taken to address some of issues that Sports Direct has been criticised for, and it appears that he is capable of putting up a robust defence of his company and its modern (legal) business practices. As the head of a very large organisation employing 24,000 people with revenues of £2.4bn surely it's one of his reponsibilities to represent his company in situations like this - it's part of the job description. You just need to look at some of the other big hitters in business that have given Select Committees their time (Rupert Murdoch et al).
His stance is probably a reflection of the way he operates his business and one of the reasons for his financial success. But he's not doing himself or his company any favours by adopting this stance in this particular situation. It might have been a lot easier for him if he had taken the opprtunity to appear before the committee in the first place and get it out of the way. He's challenging Parliament and pushing for a showdown. Parliament however makes the rules, and he may soon find out that no one is above the law - and rightly so.
Sorry but it is absolute bollocks. The man has absolutely thrived under every flavour of government we have had. He hasn't made £1.5 Billion in the last few years of tory rule.
You may wish to think about how many flavours of government we've had in the last 30-odd years.
You may wish to think about how many flavours of government we've had in the last 30-odd years.
In 1996 he had 50 stores, in 2003 he had 150. In 2004-2006 he bought Slazenger Dunlop, Karrimor, Kangol and a lot of Umbro. The man thrived under labour, just as he has (if not more than he has) under the tories.
In 1996 he had 50 stores, in 2003 he had 150. In 2004-2006 he bought Slazenger Dunlop, Karrimor, Kangol and a lot of Umbro. The man thrived under labour, just as he has (if not more than he has) under the tories.
Woosh!
Shouldn't the Government change employment law to stop 'him'? .
You think this government is going to suddenly become staunch advocates of stronger workers rights?
Latest - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-35873396
They will keep going until they get him to attend.
He anbd his comapny have built up a company that employs thousands of people, all get paid all applied for jobs, non where conscripted, they sell some cheap stuff, and some better stuff, i have safety boots , cycling sjhoes, and a cycling jersey from them as well as a few pairs of traines, all do the job, and ive helped keep the workers in a job by supporting the company.
I also dont buy paper cups of coloured water with fancy names from costalotta coffee who dont pay any or little uk taxes.
Good on the man, who wants to be interviewed by attention seeking people who have never created a buissness or a job for others in their lifee
Alternative view is his success is based on not paying a fair rate of tax or pay and thus transferring what should be overheads of running his business to us the taxpayer and wider society. E.g. to fund in work benefits so we do have a say. A big say.
odious little sh*t getting interviewed by a committee of odious little sh*ts...
Good on the man, who wants to be interviewed by attention seeking people who have never created a buissness or a job for others in their lifee
This is a stupid thing to say.
I looked at the profiles of the first four listed members of the BIS Select Committee. They were an ex accountant, the ex head of a large employer, an ex venture capitalist and the ex head of an org that gets youth into employment. I think they're reasonably well placed to examine low paid employment in retail.
konabunny - Member
They were an ex accountant,
Ya, the one that counts others' money with inflated self importance.
the ex head of a large employer,
Ya, a bureaucrat that messed with others money with inflated salary.
an ex venture capitalist
Probably because s/he is so bad at his/her venture decision(s) and with many failed ventures under his/her belt, hence s/he is on the panel of self importance/indulgence.
and the ex head of an org that gets youth into employment.
Ya, the one that squandered public money to inflate self importance and own salary ... a bureaucrat as well.
I think they're reasonably well placed to examine low paid employment in retail.
Ya, coz they are not spending their own money so able to criticize others and I bet they would even advocate £20 per hour as minimum wage.
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[quote=chewkw ]Ya, a bureaucrat that messed with others money with inflated salary.
You're talking about Mike Ashley here?
I get the contempt people are showing for MPs, but would you really rather MA ran the country? At least we get to vote for the MPs and I don't believe they are all odious expense fiddlers - some pretty decent people there. What MA is saying is stuff your democratic process I've got loadsa money and I'll do what I like.
Looks like all bases have been covered on this one 😀
As per my op, I have little time for Mike Ashley, and I have little time for grandstanding MPs
I'm not entirely sure what is democratic about hauling him in to discuss his business practices either.
If he's operating outside the law then he should be dealt with appropriately.
If the select committee needs to gather evidence, then go and speak to him or perhaps more usefully the people who work for and with him and do a proper, validated, investigation.
I suspect he's very sure that they have no way to compel him to appear; you don't build a business as successful as his through making bad decisions on important issues.
Westminster may not be highly regarded at the moment, but every time someone is able to ride roughshod over our elected representatives our democracy is weakened by another step. Once the precedent is set that select committees can be ignored parliament's ability to challenge the government or outside interests weakens and it'll be hard to get that power back even if the quality of and public respect for MPs begin to be rebuilt.
While grandstanding select committee hearings are often cringeworthy and can seem to be for the benefit of committee members' egos, the media coverage they generate can increase public awareness of issues and hence pressure on the government to act on them. This fuss over Mike Ashley and whether he'll show up at parliament is at least keeping him and his business practices in the public eye, just as all the hearings about Starbucks, Google et al avoiding paying taxes in the UK helped keep that issue live a few years ago.
If the select committee needs to gather evidence, then go and speak to him or perhaps more usefully the people who work for and with him and do a proper, validated, investigation.
Criticizing your employer in public is a dismissible offence.
And one which an industrial tribunal would almost certainly uphold.
Alternative view is his success is based on not paying a fair rate of tax or pay
Sports Direct pays loads of Corporation Tax £70 plus million, in addition his long term staff including non-managment have done exceedingly well out of the share scheme ([url= http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jul/18/sports-direct-staff-bonus-profits ]One of many sources[/url]). As always a bit more nuanced than portrayed, but then as soon as you buy a football club you are stuffed unless you give it all your money.
Tactically, he has played it well I think, he has got his point across, but he will turn up now though.
Criticizing your employer in public is a dismissible offence.And one which an industrial tribunal would almost certainly uphold.
Fair point, but they will take evidence "in camera".
All select committees take evidence in public, with very few exceptions.
http://www.parliament.uk/visiting/visiting-and-tours/watch-committees-and-debates/committees/
If the select committee needs to gather evidence, then go and speak to him or perhaps more usefully the people who work for and with him and do a proper, validated, investigation.
How about they just ask him to spare half a day and come and talk to them, and go do some more looking around.
All select committees take evidence in public, with very few exceptions.
Didn't know that, someone I know gave evidence in camera, didn't realise it was rare.
geoffj - MemberI detest the guy, but I can't help admiring him for refusing to be publicly ridiculed by some half wit committee, usually chaired by Margaret Hodge or the like.
Some impressive backpedaling has been going on.
After dismissing the select committee as a "joke" and refusing to meet them Mike Ashley is now telling them, quote : [i]"You people are pushing against an open door, you're not pushing against a closed door with me".[/i]
And apparently it's all come as a terrible of shock to him, it's been in fact, quote : [i]"an unpleasant surprise"[/i]. He must very grateful to the Guardian newspaper then, eh?
I can't help but admire the guy's spinelessness. Well, you've got to admire something about him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36465404
I can't help but admire the guy's spinelessness. Well, you've got to admire something about him.
About the only thing to admire is that he managed not to cock up the rafa deal. It was always the worst part about a trip to SJP that my folks seats were opposite his box.
I hope something comes of the trip to London.
Now that this is done, I think we need another select committee enquiry into how he's been massively overpaying a load of salaried employees that haven't turned up for most of their contracted hours over the last year or so.
He won't need to travel to London for that, he should head further North. And don't expect such an easy ride as he got down south.
Interesting watching him. Clearly a man with considerable insecurities.
Interesting watching him. Clearly a man with considerable insecurities.
Insecurity is one of the biggest drivers of this kind of commercial ambition. Combine it with a bit of sociopathy and you've got the perfect cocktail for success.
Ashley clearly isn't a corporate man. He's a buyer and seller, you might call him a classic barrowboy. And TBH, he's rather good at it. Exactly how much of the zero hours, zero tolerance culture in his sheds is down to him is debatable, but I imagine he just told his equally sociopathic underlings to organise labour at the lowest price and they got on with it as close to the legal limit as possible.
The learning experience for a business like Sports Direct is always when the sudden increase in size means a disconnect between the very top and conditions at the bottom.
As for the committee, blaming business for taking advantage of legislation (zero hours) you've enacted is just a diversionary tactic.
As for the committee, blaming business for taking advantage of legislation (zero hours) you've enacted is just a diversionary tactic.
It's hardly a diversionary tactic, it's the job of select committees to advise the government on issues concerning legislation. So investigations of this sort is exactly what the Business, Innovation and Skills Select Committee exists to investigate.
A point which Mike Ashley obviously accepts wholeheartedly when he says [i]"You people are pushing against an open door, you're not pushing against a closed door with me".[/i]
It was a fantastic bit of tv to watch the Ashley get a public slap.
When he said those months ago that he 'had nothing to hide' that the opposite was true and would be extremely embarrassing to air it in public.
When Mp's come across looking good, you know you are in the poop.
but I imagine he just told his equally sociopathic underlings to organise labour at the lowest price and they got on with it as close to the legal limit as possible.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/10/whos-who-at-sports-direct-mike-ashley ]Ashley is famous for having an extremely loyal core of "lieutenants", all of whom have been with him for years.[/url]
Business cultures are set from the very top - his is no different.