Every ten years or thereabouts, I renew my North Face messenger bag. It doesn't really need renewing but I generally choose to do this when it starts to get a bit tatty.
So I have a look and THEY'VE STOPPED MAKING PROPER MESSENGER BAGS!!!
Everyone else stopped making them years ago but now it seems even North Face have followed this appalling trend to keep with the groovy people who spend lots of money. What's that about?
Anyway, so I'd like a new messenger bag. Things it must have are as follows.
Decent size. I don't put a Macbook air and some sushi in mine. IBM laptop, full set of clothes, full set of tools and spares, butties, phones and some other stuff that I might have.
Proper shoulder strap WITH stabilising strap. I ride a bike me, not walk about London with my headphones in. It's got to stay in one place when I'm chasing down cars and leaving guys on 8 grand carbon lovelies.
Numerous pockets.
Reasonably waterproof. I live up North and ride every day
Immortal. North face made bags that'd last ten years and more, I expect the same from the replacement.
Black.
Things I don't need.
Coolness. Couldn't care less. It's utilitarian, like me.
Roly poly. It needs to be like a proper messenger bag, not a rolled up sleeping bag.
Advice please.
Timbuk2
Edit or patagonia half mass
[url= http://www.patagonia.com/eu/enGB/shop/luggage-shoulder-bags?k=1G-an ]http://www.patagonia.com/eu/enGB/shop/luggage-shoulder-bags?k=1G-an[/url]
cant recommend these guys enough
http://www.courierwareusa.com/
Ive been using one of theirs since 1995.
Bit of an investment, but spec and build it on their site.
Bagaboo
+1 for Timbuk2.
I got mine in New York in about '97 I reckon. Still going strong, apart from some of the trim that is fading due to exposure to the elements.
My Chrome Metropolis is everything you describe. They are just too hipster now.
Bagaboo, Belk, Mission Workshop, BigXTop, PAC Designs. The ultimate would be a Black Rainbow Project (used to be Archie's Grobags). Unfortunately they are like rocking horse do-do, sprinkled with unicorn horn and wrapped in mermaid placenta.
STW is great! So far the big Patagonia is meeting all requirements I think.
Waist straps are awful when you're cycling and quite a few suggestions so far are tiny. My laptop would fill those bags with nothing left over. Plus I usually have two carrier bags completely full of stuff.
Ooh, I like the Chrome Metropolis, that looks like a proper messenger bag.
From up North you say, then you'll be needing a restrapper courier bag. You know it makes sense!
I have a Timbuk2 medium and can carry what you list above, but only just, and it makes the bag a bit teetery on your back so you might want a large.
Mines only 2 years old but it is used and abused every day and in all weathers and still looks like new. Fully waterproof despite being 'open' at the top.
Downsides are that you have to pack it right to get it to balance, the padding on the shoulder strap could be a bit thicker for when you're fully laden with 10+kg of gear on your back.
I'd also customize it a bit with a couple of extra loops and fastening points for a mesh bag and lights.
I'm considering getting a large for overnight stays and shopping trips, but might get a Bagaboo for something different and they seem well priced.
Although clearly different to the Large Base Camp Messenger I've had for 10 years which sounds like what you're used to, [url= http://www.wiggle.co.uk/the-north-face-base-camp-messenger-bag-large/ ]the latest incarnation [/url]actually still looks like a decent option.
I have Mission Workshop one, bombproof and waterproof, comfortable even on 30k rides
Evoc Messenger bag?
I've Mission Workshop, PAC,Chrome, bugaboo, Timbuk2, all of which I can bring in and yer welcome to try mate..
My Timbuk2 has been pretty good and you can fit a ridiculous amount of stuff in it. One of the velcro patches has fallen off after about 5 years, but it's still going strong otherwise. Alternatively, the Patagonia ones look good.
I think we might be able to combine a messenger bag testing/beer delivery engagement, Nick. Thanks. Once this brew is ready I'll bottle some up and get in touch.
Medium timbuk2 here - about 16 years old I think and daily commuting for at least 10 of those. Still waterproof based on todays ride.
The medium one would probably be a tight squeeze for what you listed though I've been known to strap forks and all sorts to mine to ride home.
There is a group test in issue 30 of the magazine if you have a pile of them in a corner somewhere - has a lot of the bags mentioned above in it.
Bit different but dependable
http://www.cactusequipment.co.nz/online-shop/urban-packs/lapdog/83-129
or
http://www.cactusequipment.co.nz/online-shop/urban-packs/subductor/83-100
[url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crumpler-Cheesy-Disco-Laptop-Messenger/dp/B0007NLPJU ]Crumpler Cheesy Disco[/url] here. Lovely piece of kit. Stabilising strap, loads of compartments, light but strangely rigid and hardy. RRP used to be something like £120 but I picked mine up (not even used) off someone on here for a bargain.
Not sure how it would stand up to incessant rain oop north though!
I got my Timbuk2 in 1990 and it's still going strong today. Built to last.
(That includes being used for its actual purpose for its first five years too!)
That sounds like a great plan Jon.. Just sing out when it's all ready.
DHB from wiggle, big and cheap and also has a rain cover attached at the bottom
[url= http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-luggit-blok-18l-messenger-bag/ ]DHB[/url]
it's 18L, that's about half the size he needs.
those Patagonias seemed to be well specced but I can't get past looks of them. nasty.
I had a large Timbuk2 one that i was pleased with for years, but ultimately fell apart.
Replaced by the STW logo'd Pac Designs large one. I think they made about four or so and its a great bit of kit.
Way more solid/overbuilt than the Timbuk2. Comfy, stable, massive, adjustable. A great bit of kit.
Possibly encouraged me to carry too much wight on my back though. Now using panniers daily due to knackered back!
Very happy withy large north face black 17" one I've got. Goes most places with me, I reckon I could fill it with enough for a week away at a push.
Edit, like this but the large:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/the-north-face-base-camp-messenger-bag-medium/
gdj001 - MemberDHB from wiggle, big and cheap and also has a rain cover attached at the bottom
DHB
I think I am going to buy one of this because it comes with inner zip pocket.
Mission Workshop bags. They set up Chrome originally, then sold it to concentrate on more unconventional designs.
The roll-top design will keep out just about anything apart from total immersion, I think, and the strap adjuster is simple and very easily adjusted. Very solid bags, I just can't really justify the expense.
Or that's what I keep telling myself...
http://missionworkshop.com/products/bags/messenger/roll_top/medium_rummy.php
Timbuk2 messenger bag large. Had mine for 6-7 years, I use it pretty much everyday for commuting, training and generally just keeping stuff dry. Really impressed with the quality and expect it will last as long again...
All the messengers I see use those Ortlieb rolltop backpacks.
[url= http://entertainment.guardianoffers.co.uk/i-aa-godb-naa/guardian-observer-newspaper-delivery-bag/ ]worked for me back in the day[/url]
I used an Ortlieb for a while. Just like a big sack really, although you can get a clip on organiser. I like my pak bag a lot but they are expensive but built to last.
Ortlieb Pro Messenger Bag. Large capacity, proper shoulder straps for BOTH shoulders and tougher than the olde bootes.
I'd avoid the North Face ones. I use one for work and it's falling apart after about 2 year's use.
Had one for 6 years used daily by me or my missis and it stilllooks new once wipped down and cleaned,
I can fit my 17inch laptopin my work clothes lunch and dinner tools. and stillspace for more.
I'm amazed that no one mentioned Ortlieb until Molgrips towards the end of page one.
I used one for courier duties for two years through two filthy Aberdeen winters. None of the contents ever got wet, mine was white so very visible and when I gave up killing myself for peanuts, I sold it for the same as I paid for it 😀
And if needed, the roll top could be unrolled to make it massive - if I was just carrying court documents, it rolled down to the size of a smallish Crumpler.
I've a large base camp messenger (the original design), in red, only light use and no longer use it so would be happy to sell it. email me if you are interested
oh and its old enough to be before they seemed to get all cheap and fall apart
There are a whole bunch of North Face ones on ebay..
I have a patagonia black hole and use it every day. So far so good after about a year of use.
Yeah, it does seem Northwave have dropped the quality control ball. I've had two and they've both lasted many, many years. My current one is approaching ten year old I reckon, has been used in all weathers most days and has only started to look a bit tatty in the last year or so.
I'm still concerned that most suggested so far are a bit small. I carry a lot of stuff. My wife struggles to pick the bag up if I leave it on the kitchen floor, for reference.
Thanks all though, very useful. Next step is meet up with Teetosugars and examine his sac and make a choice from there.
Ta.
Bailey works are really good quality. know loads of people with ones that are 10+ years old they are really stable and don't move around like the timbuk2 and aren't eye wateringly expensive like the mission workshop ones (plus they measure the capacity in beer cans!) http://www.baileyworks.com/
I get on well with my Overboard bag but no stabilising strap
I have a Timbuk2, it's a bit crap really. While the construction appears bombproof, it doesn't cover the gap properly at the corners and therefore can let water in, the quick buckle is too close to the actual bag, making it a bit of a faff to use, and there is nowhere to fasten the stabilising strap when not using it.
For the money paid, it is pretty badly thought out.
I have a Chrome one. Comfortable on the bike, fits my stuff for work including clothes if I ride in and will do a weekend of clothes if I just want to use it to go away. It's not light and it's not cheap but it feels bulletproof and having had a couple of other bags, it's the best one I've had for on the bike.
If I were you, I'd be buying neilnevieleneivieienvieneiel's red bag - exactly what you want and persumably at a bargain price.
I have an Eastpak one, the Kruizer, but it's compact and bijou - no way that it'll fit all your clobber. Upside is comfort, reflective strips and easily adjustable buckle; downside is a waist strap that is very short & thin.
I have a Timbuk2, it's a bit crap really....
For the money paid, it is pretty badly thought out.
I think you're being a bit harsh there. The faults you've found are pretty minimal and it's about 2/3rds of the price of the well thought out ones.
There is an expensive version ($200) of the Timbuk2 called the especial.
Samuri- what is about the North Face bags that you don't like? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to make a point. Have they gone up in price? Or have they changed the design?
They have changed the design (and also up in price, though I bought mine about 10 years ago so that's hardly surprising). The old ones are sealed indestructible fabric with a few zip and velcro pockets added around the flap. The new ones are all fancy pants American student campusy books and fripperies type efforts. I haven't seen a new one in the flesh, but can see from the pictures online that they don't look quite as robust.
I've got a Timbuk2 that I've had for 2 or 3 years, it's as good as new, totally waterproof and fit's loads in (mine's a medium)
I'd definitely buy another, I got mine cheap in a slightly iffy colour but I'd be happy to pay the full whack for one now I've seen how good they are.
http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/haglofs-courier-15-bag-66210161
Haglofs, works for me, has losts of pockets and I seem to be able tstuff loads of other crap in it too. I usually end up forgetting abotu tall the stuff in it till i realise how heavy it's gotten!
Another Timbuk2 fanboi here.
Mine's been all over the place, both as on the bike luggage and carry on for flights. Faultless, IMHO.
My chrome is indestructible, completely waterproof and holds loads
Crumpler and timbuk2 are like toy bags in comparison
Don't have experience of any other brands
MSP - Member
I have a Timbuk2, it's a bit crap really. While the construction appears bombproof, it doesn't cover the gap properly at the corners and therefore can let water in, the quick buckle is too close to the actual bag, making it a bit of a faff to use, and there is nowhere to fasten the stabilising strap when not using it.
For the money paid, it is pretty badly thought out.
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Agreed, my timbuk2 to is one of the tiny ones, so maybe not a fair comparison, but the gaps at the top, and flimsy buckles are just rubbish compared to a chrome
Just replaced my 15 year old Cactus Climbing Subductor with a custom Timbuk2 in waxed canvas.
Plenty of pockets, but they tend to collapse the front when the bag is unloaded. I also have the Snoop camera insert, which is a superb addition, if you're into that sort of thing.
A bit late to this I know but I can't praise my Bagaboo highly enough. I think I've had it about five years now, and it gets used daily but refuses to show any signs of wear.
Not fan of my Timbuk2, as has been stated the corner protrude beyond the flap so rain can get in.
There is only padding on the inside of the laptop compartment (only the outside of the bag between your laptop and your back) meaning that the laptop can take a beating when maneuvering or putting down the bag.
The pocket arrangement is just insane, pockets on top of pockets on top of pockets, you need to be fully OCD to get into any kind or habit when using them, and it all becomes a bit of a blob of stuff.
And there is no grab handle, which is a pain in the arse when loading it into overhead lockers or just lifting it around.
I have an Eastpak one, the Kruizer, but it's compact and bijou - no way that it'll fit all your clobber.
They come in 3 different sizes, I've used the large one when going grocery shopping. It's huge
Another vote for mission workshop here. Get a shed and I'll be amazed if you ever fill it.
I have a Chrome messenger bag , be sure to get the size you need . Mine is fine for day to day use but won't hold a big grocery shop . When I realised this I thought never mind i'll just get a bigger one when this one wears out . That was well over 10 years ago and it is still going strong despite virtually daily use.
Another vote for mission workshop here. Get a shed and I'll be amazed if you ever fill it.
Yup, Love mine..
Awesome bit of Kit IMHO.
My youngest daughter has my old timbuk2 as her school bag - bought in 2002
I'm currently rocking a bugaboo - bloody wonderful
my eldest daughter got a custom bugaboo off me for her sixteenth birthday, for her to use at college!
have heard good stuff about this one:
http://www.bigxtop.com/category/messenger-bags
Bargain at that price too!
I use a timbuk 2 for my commute. Have 4 of them in total, I "needed" co-ordinating colours 🙂
even survived a big slide on my back after a slight accident the other week,virtually unscathed. Never had anything get wet either.
I picked the whole lot up from ebay for much cheapness.
[url= http://www.ewetsuits.com/acatalog/messenger-dry-bag.html ]Lomo Watersports[/url]
TBH, i've never used one but I have used their drybags and holdalls for years. one in particular has been kicked, dropped, soaked and generally abused and is still good.
Also checks trhe "completely not cool" box
I was just about to post the Lomo one but BigButSlimmer beat me to it. My TNF one has done sterling service in the 8 years I've had it but is starting to look a bit tatty so may replace it with one of these.
Similar problem, I need to carry a dell M4700 (a man's laptop), plus maybe some clothes for an overnight trip.
It all goes into my large timbuk2 d-lux laptop messenger:
http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/d-lux-laptop-messenger-bondage-bag-sleeve/2114750
the zip along the top is genius, allows you to produce your laptop at a meeting without exposing all concerned to yesterdays underwear & your sandwiches rattling round the main part of the bag.
produce your laptop at a meeting without exposing all concerned to yesterdays underwear
what if they want to see your undercrackers? what if it 'seals the deal'? if you know what I mean. nudge, nudge.
what if they want to see your undercrackers? what if it 'seals the deal'? if you know what I mean. nudge, nudge.
In such situations I can open the bag's flap as per a normal messenger.
Of course when to open the flap and when to reach for the zip is a tricky call, I imagine I'd be taught such things if I had a MBA.
I've had 3 Timbuk2 bags and 1 Bagaboo. All have had loads of pockets, cross straps, strap pads and a lot of use.
I've got a Deedog (medium) from 1996 that's still going strong. It's been a school bag, uni bag, commuting bag, weekend away bag and has been hand luggage too. I've abused it massively, used it on and off the bike regularly and it's only now showing signs of age with the liner cracking and the Velcro starting to come unstitched (which Timbuk2 have sent me some more of, for free). I'd like to retire it but Can't stop using it!
I used to have an XL Timbuk2 that I got custom made, which was a travel bag and served as a courier bag for 12 months. I could fit all sorts in it, including a motorcycle helmet, a couple of suits, lots of packages, most of an A3 portfolio and lots of other stuff I've forgotten. I only sold it because it was too massive and I wasn't using it.
I have a couple of years old small deluxe Timbuk2 which is big enough to fit a 13" laptop in the decidated sleeve, plus enough stuff for a day out, or a weekend away if you don't take lots of clothes. It looks like new.
And finally, I have a large Bagaboo which was a custom order. It's of heavier duty construction than the Timbuk2 bags and was a similar price to my XL Timbuk2. The strap buckle's not as easy to use but it's a great bag that I tend to use as a travel bag since it's a bit big for my day to day stuff.
I don't have any experience of other brands but I'd recommend Timbuk2 and Bagaboo both for quality and usability, as well as how good their customer service is.
[i]If I were you, I'd be buying neilnevieleneivieienvieneiel's red bag - exactly what you want and persumably at a bargain price. [/i]
I would do, but my wife wants to buy me a christmas present and has decided it's a new courier bag. Which is a bit mean I thought. I don't buy her a new mop for christmas. (She runs a cleaning business)
So I'll consider that offer (and the subsequent conversation with the wife) but in the meantime I'm liking the way the conversation is now heading.
I'm liking the way the conversation is now heading.
Underwear, and (in)appropriate display thereof?