[Closed] Meet the UKIPers

So it showed that UKIP ers were racist , out of touch and unrepentant

WHo knew?

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More sense here

Absolutely terrifying that people are considering voting for these people in such numbers.

I've said it God knows how many times before, but is there any more damning indictment of the main political parties that people are looking to that as an alternative?

Them and the Green Party Binners. Very scary stuff. Lunatic fringe.

I think its an equally damning indictment of the electorate as well Binners

I watched, open mouthed, agog before shouting 'JUST STOP TALKING' at the tv. Her justification being that if it was ok because it was a description, just like the Jews with shape of their nosJUST STOP TALKING!

I think its an equally damning indictment of the electorate as well Binners

geetee1972 - Member
Them and the Green Party Binners. Very scary stuff. Lunatic fringe.

Okay, I'll bite, what's lunatic and scary about the Greens?

Have you seen the greens defence policy ?

geetee1972 - Member
Them and the Green Party Binners. Very scary stuff. Lunatic fringe.
Okay, I'll bite, what's lunatic and scary about the Greens?

They don't want you to drive your car, which even on a cycling forum, is s s scaaaary !

Ha, just watched it, the Press Secretary arranged for the BBC to film an outspoken racist..

Then resigns.

I wonder if she's secretly the labour party Press Officer..

In a way though the sheer naivety comes through, i don't think it'll do UKIP any harm, lots of folk don't like having to guard every word they utter for fear of being branded this and that and every time this happens all it does is garner more support for UKIP from that quarter and there is lots of it down here in the South East.

Bit more of an honest programme than that first 100 days of UKIP though and it totally shows Farage for what he is these days, he's a 'sleb,' proper in love with himself with an ego a mile wide now, if it wasn't so pathetic it would be scary.

parkesie - Member
Have you seen the greens defence policy ?

Yep, which part do you have a problem with?

[url= http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/pd.html ]Actual policy[/url]

Okay, I'll bite, what's lunatic and scary about the Greens?

fruitcakes, loonies and closet communists 😉

As with UKIP! the Greens problem is the number of sheer nutters drawn to the cause, which is why for every example of a 'kipper going off reservation and saying something stupid and/or racist, there's a Green Party wonk telling us how electromagnetism is dangerous, homeopathy cures cancer/backache/Ebola, or egging people on to destroy GM science experiments.

Lifer - Member
parkesie - Member
Have you seen the greens defence policy ?
Yep, which part do you have a problem with?

Er this bit will do for starters..

PD205 Nuclear weapons are political weapons of terror, and are disproportionate to any threat. Further, since there is a finite possibility that the policy of nuclear deterrence will fail, and the ecological and social consequences of such a failure would be catastrophic, the deterrence system must be abandoned. The Green Party is committed to pursuing immediate and unconditional nuclear disarmament.

The Green Party is committed to pursuing immediate and unconditional nuclear disarmament.

Come on Derek, it worked well for Ukraine...

[i]Er this bit will do for starters..

PD205 Nuclear weapons are political weapons of terror, and are disproportionate to any threat. Further, since there is a finite possibility that the policy of nuclear deterrence will fail, and the ecological and social consequences of such a failure would be catastrophic, the deterrence system must be abandoned. The Green Party is committed to pursuing immediate and unconditional nuclear disarmament.[/i]

Fair point, we should be voting for parties that want to continue to hold a threat of nuclear war over our heads to keep us subdued.

Just out of interest, why would anyone sane want to vote for a party than continues to support nuclear arms? Given that a nuclear war would see us all dead.

How about increasing the size of the T.A. We'll ignore that its not been called the T.A for years and take a look at how well the current drive to increase the size of the T.A is going. 🙂
Get rid of all that expensive stuff like ships and planes and if the need arises we'll just magic it all out of thin air as weve re purposed the industry that makes it and made it illegal to buy.
Do away with expensive training exercises and have volunteers play hide and seek in nature reserves.

Just out of interest, why would anyone sane want to vote for a party than continues to support nuclear arms? Given that a nuclear war would see us all dead.

Surely if we [i]unilaterally[/i] disarmed as the Green Party propose, then nuclear war would still see [u]us[/u] all dead?

The only difference being there would be no risk to the enemy of [u]them[/u] all being made dead in retaliation? In which case, what's to stop them doing it?

That's not what they propose though.

Yes they do

[i]PD402 In the absence of effective international agreements on the elimination of weapons of mass destruction and indiscriminate action, [b]a Green Government would unilaterally dismantle and dispose of its stocks[/b], while continuing to campaign for others to follow suit.[/i]

Not only no more nuclear deterrent which is a great idea that on some levels i agree with they will stop all research into intercepting icbms as a defence as its expensive and would provoke a arms race.

They actually propose that a green government (which won't happen any time soon due to the wealth of self-absorbed, money-orientated voters in the uk), that they would remove all stocks (that will take longer than a government term of four years by the way) of nuclear arms whilst simultaneously encouraging other nations to destroy theirs. There is no benefit to starting a nuclear war to anyway, the fallout spreads around the world. Even if only one unarmed nation is targeted, the fallout spreads. Everyone suffers.

If you think nuclear arms posturing is done without politicians thinking about he consequences to themselves then vote UKIP. If you think they're actually smart enough to consider how it will impact them then think a bit longer and choose a party that will help rid the world of nuclear arms.

if we all beat our chests and show how hard we hard, the problem will never go away. Ever. It's nuts to consider any option where we carry on waving our fists at each other with munitions we'll (hopefully) never use.

The reason I love this forum... a thread about clear nutjobs, UKIP, has within a handful of posts dissolved into the moral obligation of Nuclear disarmament as viewed by a political party on the polar opposite side to UKIP.

By way of adding to the debate, having been an immigrant of the UK I despise their close mindedness. Their talk of jobs is redundant because how many of them would be willing to work minimum wage cleaning toilets in McDonalds at 4am? Anyway, I'm Irish... so as far as they're concerned all I'm good for is building railroads and canals. As for the Greens... I'd consider myself ideologically Labour/Green... but I've yet to see a Labour party (Either Irish or English) I agree fully with and the same goes for the Greens.

I'm honestly astounded that any adult would consider a continued investment in nuclear arms a viable proposition. How many good ways can that end?

How many good ways can one of the big guns pulling out end? Anything other than saying 'end this now' is the wrong thing to do, surely?

Them and the Green Party Binners. Very scary stuff. Lunatic fringe.

Have you seen the greens defence policy ?

The Green Party is committed to pursuing immediate and unconditional nuclear disarmament.

Because the alternative, spending £100 billion on weapons which everyone agrees cannot and will never be used, to replace weapons which were never used, is absolutely sensible and perfectly sane?

The overwhelming majority of countries in the world have no nuclear weapons, presumably this means that they are governed by lunatics?

Hopefully sanity will on day prevail and eventually every country in the world will have nuclear weapons, yes?

Its a wonderful idea ill put my gun down because i believe that you will as well, what do you mean get in the boot or you'l shoot me your supposed to play nice, ok ok ill get in the boot just dont hurt any kittens.

Hopefully sanity will on day prevail and eventually every country in the world will have nuclear weapons, yes?

Basically it's a we will give up ours and ask really nicely that everyone else does. Probably over a cup of organic, GM free, biodynamic nettle tea.

(Edited far too long a post for brevity.)

Because the alternative, spending £100 billion on weapons which everyone agrees cannot and will never be used, to replace weapons which were never used, is absolutely sensible and perfectly sane?

My car and house insurance costs loads, never had to use it, I reckon I'll cancel it next year and save the money.

I don't think anyone has ever bought life insurance thinking 'I hope I get to use this' either

You think you can uninvent them?

First major war and the race would be back on to develop them, the Manhattan project all over again

They can't be uninvented, but we can choose not to make them. We choose not to make chemical or biological weapons, because they are horrendous and evil, nuclear weapons are the same.

Or because we know that unlike Nukes, we can ramp up production in a matter of days using existing commercial facilities if we ever really needed to 😉

Atleast the greens have policies that are born out of something nice even if i dont agree with them. Ukip on the other hand seem to just have one policy and thats to be a bunch of pricks and when one gets pulled up for being a colossal bellend the will disown them.

Basically it's a we will give up ours and ask really nicely that everyone else does. Probably over a cup of organic, GM free, biodynamic nettle tea.

Ha ha ha, that's funny because you mentioned "a cup of organic, GM free, biodynamic nettle tea". And everyone knows that you win an argument against the Green Party when you mention funny stuff like that.

Although for added hilarity you should have also mentioned something about yogurt and muesli 💡

BTW nuclear weapon disarmament is a requirement and obligation for Britain under the Non-Proliferation Treaty which it freely signed. And developing new nuclear weapons is in complete violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty which Britain freely signed.

Although presumably only "lunatics" comply with and respect international treaties which they have freely signed, eh?

Glad you found the joke funny ernie, I going to go with sandal wearing diplomats but couldn't quite get both in there. The rest of the post was the serious part which was about how the chance of a unique green policy making it into a government plan is somewhere close to a snowballs chance in hell. The thing that is more scary than owning a nuclear deterrent is that somebody may have to do a deal with UKIP and some of their policies will actually make it.

The worst bit about all of this is how a discussion on UKIP is so easily derailed onto a discussion about the Greens. Classic diversion smoke and mirrors.

The worst bit about all of this is how a discussion on UKIP is so easily derailed onto a discussion about the Greens.

There have been a lot of threads on here about UKIP, I can't say I recall any previous discussions about UKIP ending up talking about the Green Party. What do you mean discussions about UKIP easily end up as a discussion about the Green Party? Can you explain?

And why the reference to [i]"smoke and mirrors"[/i]? The term as I understand it means to create an illusion, how is that relevant in the context of this thread?

Im glad were talking about the greens and not ukip. People having a relevant political discussion without shouting racist. And anything that takes the spotlight away from ukip is a good thing in my eyes.

And why the reference to "smoke and mirrors"? The term as I understand it means to create an illusion, how is that relevant in the context of this thread?

The source of the name is based on magicians' illusions, where magicians make objects appear or disappear by extending or retracting mirrors amid a distracting burst of smoke.

Probably a poor choice of words, more alluding to the idea that UKIP avoid scrutiny of their policies in many ways in the main stream media. They are able to appeal to a wide range of people based on select policies where the full range of UKIP policies would probably horrify some of those intending to vote for them. I will try harder to choose my words more carefully next time, perhaps I'll send it to you to proof read.

Im glad were talking about the greens and not ukip. People having a relevant political discussion without shouting racist. And anything that takes the spotlight away from ukip is a good thing in my eyes.

My car and house insurance costs loads, never had to use it, I reckon I'll cancel it next year and save the money.

The difficulty with this analogy is that it is clearly ethically permissible to make a claim on your car insurance.

🙂

I'm honestly astounded that any adult would consider a continued investment in nuclear arms a viable proposition. How many good ways can that end?

Nuclear arms were the best thing that ever happened to world peace. if they hadn't existed, sometime between 1945 and 1950 the Red Army would have taken Paris and millions would have died in a protracted convential war against the USSR. India and ****stan would have killed each other to death at some point and China would be invading every country that bordered it.

We choose not to make chemical or biological weapons

Hah!

Seriously guys, you can't come onto a thread or any thread, the motivation for which is to highlight what you all agree are 'extreme' policies of UKIP, only to then defend the policies of another party that is equally extreme, just at the other end of the spectrum.

I'm not saying that you're wrong in supporting The Green Party, far from it. Just that it's hypocrisy to presume that it's OK to hold extreme political views if they are at the far left of the spectrum rather than the far right.

Plenty of people find UKIP repellent because of their far right policies.

Plenty of people also find The Greens, well maybe repellent isn't the right word, but certainly very scary, for exactly the same reason.

I read The Green's manifesto some months ago and it left me feeling thankful that they are still a marginal party. Their economic policies sound great in theory and, in my view, would be a disaster if implemented. I respect their ideals and their right to hold them and ask to be elected on them, but I still think they are deeply misguided.

Dear Mr Putin,

As we have now got rid of all our nuclear weapons would you mind awfully getting rid of yours? As I'm sure you understand that makes us strategically defenseless, so there is no need to send those nasty looking bear planes flying past Skegness, Mabelthorpe and Newquay. This sort of thing upsets the holidaymakers and is not fair or the right thing to do.

Yours

The Green Party.

Dear the Green Party,

Thank you for your interesting letter, could you please get my rooms ready at Buckingham Palace. I'll be along next week.

Yours in Power

Mr Putin (soon to be King of Britain).

Is britain actually capable of launching a nuclear strike on it's own? I read somehwere that without the yanks facilitating trident it would fall on it's arse in a matter of months.

It all seems like a bit of a moot point when conventional weapons are used all the time to kill millions.

[i]Nuclear arms were the best thing that ever happened to world peace. if they hadn't existed, sometime between 1945 and 1950 the Red Army would have taken Paris and millions would have died in a protracted convential war against the USSR. India and ****stan would have killed each other to death at some point and China would be invading every country that bordered it.[/i]

Have a word with yourself. All foreigners are held back in their nasty slitty eyed vodka fuelled ambitions only by the threat of our clean cut fresh faced jolly good god fearing good 'ole nuclear bombs?

At least your post makes clear what level of attention they should be paid in the future in terms of your grasp of reality

Both are fringe parties
The difference is that the greens saying nukes are bad won't change anything

The kippers saying foreigners are the cause of all the nations ills emboldens racist Chelsea fans, for example and is helping force a referendum that could redraw our entire economy

UKIP appeals to a broad section of the electorate because sadly, that is how a broad section of the electorate thinks, looks and sounds in day-to-day life.

It has taken years of 'refinement' for the other parties to come up with the kind of on-camera vanilla techniques to appeal to the maximum number of voters possible.

UKIP Health spokesman was unveiling their policies this morning. As expected, they were fairly LibDem in nature. Aspirational and sound nice, as they will obviously never have to be properly costed or implemented.