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Our local hardware shop has re-opened with the counter inside the door, and no entry for customers. Once you reach the front of the queue you tell the bloke what you’re after and he scurries off into the back and brings it out
C'mon guys, we've let Inkster distract us from the key fact revealed on this thread.
Somewhere there is now a hardware shop where we can go and do the full Four Candles sketch!
When I go back to work on the 18th we've got to wear masks, which will be a world of fun scaffolding
We'll need 4/5 a day each
Now we just need to find a shop where we can buy a dead parrot.
Now we just need to find a shop where we can buy a dead parrot.
Let's not blow all the fun in one day, need to spread it out
I've been working earlier so I don't have to contact the NHS staff that come in with their uniform on. Don't wear a mask and I don't wear gloves. Have to have a laugh at the people wearing masks that do **** all and the glove wearers especially when they touch their faces. People need to stick to social distancing and don't go out unless they really need to.
Plenty of fun to go, we've yet to establish wether the parrot died of Covid 19 or wether it was shot.
Best not to laugh with your mouth too wide open if you're not covering it When in public. Have you thought about limiting your sense of superiority by smirking instead?
Safer for all concerned, though not as funny I'll admit. Let's leave the humour to parodying sketches from 1970's comedy shows.
You can stick to social distancing and no go out unless you really need to and cover your mouth and nose at the same time. It's not an either or, just takes a little concentration.
Agree about gloves though, better to wash and sanitize hands more regularly.
Weak evidence that masks may help when out in public although it is week. FFP3 masks only needed for aerosol generation - so anaesthetic and certain surgical procedures and certain types of ventilatory support. Total overkill for non healthcare settings.
Material masks may be a better solution as can be washed on high temps. Standard surgical masks should be discarded after each use and are non cleanable and non reusable (and contain plastic) so everyone using them will generate massive amounts of non recyclable waste...
One thing about the Kenya response did make me laugh though.
They didn't declare a state of e emergency, they declared an official 'State of Disaster'
A state of emergency suggests 'there's some bad shit on the way, but we've got it covered
A State of disaster suggests 'a situation beyond our ability to control is happening, we haven't got a second to waste.'
mehr
SubscriberWhen I go back to work on the 18th we’ve got to wear masks, which will be a world of fun scaffolding
We’ll need 4/5 a day each
So your outside mostly, we have been working flat out since way before "lockdown light" started in 30deg+ heat and high humidity wearing full masks like these
So what do you do when scaffolding round an asbestos structure?
How good are decent DIY masks for this? Ive got a few P3 respirators kicking around - are they any good?
Do you plan to undertake any Aerosol Generating Procedures? If not type IIR 3ply fluid resistant will see you right...
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-infection-prevention-and-control
I am afraid this is not a valid comparison. Raw numbers comparison are poor at best due to different recording structures testing etc before you get into population size , density distribution, demographics, health care system, international interconnectivity.
Agree,
Plus age is a big risk factor and many African countries have very few old people.
Pretty clear (shocking) graphs showing this on the last Gresham lecture with Prof Whitty (it's on youtube).
Good article in Irish Independent today on why gloves are a rubbish idea in many circumstances.
You should also read what the WHO has to say on widrspread mask use.
Neither is supportive of widespread use and the WHO piece in particular is quite simply and concisely put.
Newsnight just now, In Germany, face masks mandatory on all public transport and in all shops.
Ewan,
Home made masks great. Anything covering your mouth and nose good.
Outofbreath,
If you don't like Africa comparisons then how about Greece? Slovenia? Chzeck Republic and Austria? (less than one percent of Austrians thought to be infected.) They all implemented early lockdown, similar to Kenya and SA and are seeing results similar to Kenya and S.A..
Explain to me why these comparisons are not valid, using any of the examples relating to pop density, age, international connectivity, demographics, health care systems etc. And why do you think their recording structures are worse than ours? They're better than ours because they have been on top of contact tracing from the start.
You keep on arranging deckchairs on the Titanic, I'll put on a life jacket. (It'll help with social distancing if nothing else.)
Have been working this week on a resident apartment block.
It’s fine when we are on the roof or over the side cleaning the windows as even where the sets of windows/balcony glass are long runs we actually need to be around 2-3m apart due to where the rigging points on the roof are.
When we are moving through the building/in public areas I’ve provided and asked the guys to wear those ‘surgical’ type masks and gloves.
I’m pretty sure their effect is going to be minimal but I want us to do what we can; if we can minimise the chances of one of us infecting a load of residents by using them, great. If not, at least we look like we are doing something to reduce the risk.
When someone argues that the effects of a mask are minimal, they're admitting that there is some effect. Why would you not grab at this minimal effect when this could end up being the difference?
I live in Austria, we've been told that masks will help, not in catching the disease, but against spreading. You rarely see medical masks, people have made their own or use buffs etc. It's the normal now and no big deal.
Same question again, why not? People are accepting being furloughed, not seeing elderly relatives for months, but wear a mask, no chance!
Next we'll be asked to wear helmets when biking, whatever next!
I work in the asbestos industry and have to wear a fully face fitted ffp3 half mask when working in asbestos enclosures or surveying, when I'm working in low risk settings I wear a disposable ffp3 mask. Our supplier is out of filters and masks and there is no time scale on their arrival, which is a bit of a problem for me.
I've been working right through lockdown and my experience of it has been that people who are still working on sites right now don't really give any care or though to social diatancing let alone wearing RPE. Best of luck to us all when the rest of you come back to work, it will be chaos.
When I said DIY mask, I meant one for DIY, not one I made. They're 3m P3 masks I have for working with MDF. Are those as good as the medical ones?
And why do you think their recording structures are worse than ours?
I didn't say worse, I said different.
This new article begins to shows why comparisons are difficult.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52530918
I don't think anyone is saying the UK did everything right, there are lots it could have and should have done differently but comparisons must be made on valid metrics. The use of ppe must be of the correct type and where appropriate. To every complicated problem there is a simple solution, and it's wrong. (Can't remember who to give reference for that quote).
So cutting to the chase the easiest option is to ask all our customers (as a courtesy to us) to wear a simple cotton mask and for us to do the same as a courtesy to them?
We would obviously limit numbers in the shop and keep our distance.
so everyone using them will generate massive amounts of non recyclable waste…
This is worrying.
I'm up for wearing a mask if it means freedom.
Prime opportunity to use my Bugatti Owners Club silk scarf to
a) stop the spread of my evil germs
b) pretend I'm robbing a train
c) pick up some rich housewives
I was round our local Tesco earlier, wearing a face covering as recommended by ScotGov (it was a Buff)
That was going to be my approach, sure I had heard official guidance saying two layers of cotton with a sheet of kitchen roll in the middle?? Sounded like a folded over buff + kitchen roll to me...
Our customers are definitely browsers.
Certain customers look at all the cards in the shop then want to look through all the cards in the store room. Then come back the next day to swap it for a different one.
If you are going to bother with face masks and hand sanitiser I would implement a 'you touch it you bought it' rule and no returns.
Checkout at the supermarket let slip that anything that reaches checkout and does not get sold for any reason is junked not put back into stock.
I read somewhere that cotton would catch/stop 95% of droplets etc. Better than nothing. But my worry is it will make people think they're safer and not distance.
Best still keep your distance and wash hands though
I bought three buffs to wear as a mask (only one at a time) until proper masks start appearing in the shops again.
If wearing masks becomes compulsory I do fancy having one of these with me...
"Why yes, I am a dick..."
Gloves are single use. If youre not disposing ir washing them after each potentila exposure they’re pointless, other than to give a false sense of security.
No they aren't ...
Medical staff though their glove away after every use. Cross contamination.
Medical staff have to be careful they don't transmit other pathogens, not just a weak virus.
Double glove and disguard in a bag then leave in food grade bleach for a week before rinsing out the bleach.
As you won’t easily (and morally should not be able to) procure a pukka 3M (etc) mask, the talk of members of the public obtaining and correctly fitting FFP3 masks is a bit daft.
I bought mine and spare filters start of Feb when it was obvious this was going to be a huge issue. By early March when Boris was saying we had plenty this confirmed we would have a critical shortage.
Full FFP3 face mask and 2x FFP2
I had to use 20 or so of the FFP2 filters because I was dealing with mould spores that won't just die by themselves after a day (or week) or even a year.
If they were being used for Covid I'd just let them dry and leave for a week before reusing and wash the rest of the mask in IPA.
Zippykona,
Cutting to the chase, yes.
13thfloormonk, I've done the same, buff layered with folded kitchen roll.
Ewan, I've also used a diy type mask under a buff, helps space it out a bit. Rule of thumb, anything better than nothing, well made 4 layer cotton, washable 'fashion' style mask best for general public.
Eddiebaby, winning and losing at the same time.
Brick,
Thanks for responding. You quote that for every complicated problem there's a simple solution and its wrong. Here's where we disagree. I'm suggesting that for this particular problem there is a simple solution, shut down as early as you can. It doesn't solve the problem entirely but it makes it exponentially less worse.
I have made a few comparisons, accepting variables, saw a close enough correlation between Austria and Kenya to infer that speed of lockdown might be the most significant mitigating factor.
Keeping on track, I am suggesting that wearing face coverings could be as significant a factor as lockdown itself and the two things need to operate in tandem.
All those things we should have done but didn't we should still do, and do with haste.
Have to have a laugh at the people wearing masks that do **** all
They might not do a huge amount to stop you getting the virus, but if you're contagious and don't realise it they are effective at protecting everyone else.
Czechia has insisted on masks for everyone (DIY mostly) and they've barely been impacted by coronavirus. California has also gone down the mask route too.
Right now it seems a sensible precaution and it's not like anyone has much else to do with their spare time. Also would seem sensible to insist that medical staff change out of their uniforms before they go shopping after their shift.
"Also would seem sensible to insist that medical staff change out of their uniforms before they go shopping after their shift."
They should do this anyway as part of infection control