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The west is just a spin off from the Islamic world.
If it wasnt for the Islamic academics we'd still be using Roman numerals. Add to that algebra, trigonometry, geometry, chemistry, geology, calculus, the Toledo translations and "the experimental method"....
The word algorithm is derived from Al-Khwarizmi's (Baghdad mathematician) Latinized name Algorismi, and algebra, from the title of his book Hisab al-jabr w’al-muqabala, Kitab al-Jabr wa-l-Muqabala (pub' circa 800)
Who were those guys in the cemetery anyway?
Interestingly, Turkey regularly invades Northen Iraq to suppress Kurdish separatists. As for Libya...better the devil you know than the devil you don't...
And the US regularly invades any country they choose to, Israel regular assassinates who they feel like, Russia has a few issues with some regions wanting independence, It isn't many years ago when the UK imprisoned anyone they felt like in Northern Ireland.
Blimey, did I really read early on in this thread about "Korans being accidently burned in Afganistan"...maybe the same geniuses who accidently urinated on dead militants in Iraq!!
You'd have thought that after the fiasco of sending the Paras into Ulster on peacekeeping duties that no peacekeeping force would behave like that ever again.
I guess squaddies are not really selected on an intellect bassis!
FFS what does desecrating graves achieve other than inviting hostility and contempt. I utterly fail to see how it can be justified for any reason.
Maybe it's just that other countries are a bit more hysterical than us. There is always that woman in black who falls to her knees, arms up stretched and wailing on the news. In this country we try to pretend nothing has happened. I think we try and sort out a situation rather than standing around moaning and trying to blame someone else.
Hmm maybe it's something to do with the luxury we have of being at war vicariously. These 'hysterical' people stretching their arms are faced with the abject horror of living in the areas where people fight.
It's easy to moan about blaming someone else when you don't have to see your family murdered and your country destroyed.
And who has tried to justify it? No one
Maybe it's just that other countries are a bit more hysterical than us. There is always that woman in black who falls to her knees, arms up stretched and wailing on the news. In this country we try to pretend nothing has happened. I think we try and sort out a situation rather than standing around moaning and trying to blame someone else.
hmmm. i seem to remember a fair bit of gnashing of teeth when princess Di, died? wan't there a minor disturbance in London when some upstanding member of the community/drug dealer was murdered/accidentally killed whilst police attempted an arrest.
Same shit different place. People are people, Look at what the NF do to Jewish cemeteries in the UK.
Maybe it's just that other countries are a bit more hysterical than us. There is always that woman in black who falls to her knees, arms up stretched and wailing on the news. In this country we try to pretend nothing has happened.
This is an unbelievably stupid statement. Maybe people in some other countries have more to be hysterical about?
As unpalatable as this is, it's not the worst thing that has happened in Libya since the fall of Ghaddafi.
I'm curious to know what everyone imagines life was like in Libya prior to the fall of Ghaddafi. Anybody like to paint a picture of a typical day there prior to February last year?
FFS what does desecrating graves achieve other than inviting hostility and contempt. I utterly fail to see how it can be justified for any reason.
Well it seems to have wound you up nicely. So on that basis it was undoubtedly a worthwhile act as far as the perpetrators are concerned.
If they had gone out and butchered a few people instead, I hazard to guess that it wouldn't have got the same reaction from you.
As unpalatable as this is, it's not the worst thing that has happened in Libya since the fall of Ghaddafi.[b]"I'm curious to know what everyone imagines life was like in Libya prior to the fall of Ghaddafi"[/b].
Read the post again properly, he says that it's not the worst thing that has happened in Libya since the fall of Ghaddafi. He doesn't mention anything about how things were prior to the fall of Ghaddafi.
I'm curious to know what everyone imagines life was like in Libya prior to the fall of Ghaddafi. Anybody like to paint a picture of a typical day prior to February last year?
What's your point, that human rights abuses happened under Ghaddafi too? Well duh. But you don't see a problem when we intervene supposedly in the name of human rights, yet it turns out the new regime we install is just as bad?
wow some impressive ignorance on display
its a good job no ones ever done anything nasty in the name of christianity, or britain for that matter???
(btw im not apologising for terrorists, millitants or random nutters)
for the impressively thick id suggest you read the koran and the old testament together http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_narratives_and_the_Quran
our version of history is very different from the version many people in the middle east believe
eg
national hero winston churchill played his own part in creating some of the problems in iraq long before he was pm, saddam wasnt the 1st person to drop chemical weapons on the kurds
did anyone see this documentary on bbc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01b3fpw
When you overthrow a government from outside without any legitimate one to take its place nor any unifying group in the country you get a breakdown in law and order and it gives space for things such as this.
Sound like some sort of justification to me
Sound like some sort of justification to me
Justification for the desecration of graves ?
You've got an impressively vivid imagination fella.
No - thats an explanation of how and why civil society has broken down enough that allows these sort of things to happen.
Graum = ts not a new regime - its a divided country where no one group rules it and its far far worse than before in terms of safety and security of the citizens
When you overthrow a government from outside without any legitimate one to take its place nor any unifying group in the country you get a breakdown in law and order and it gives space for things such as this.
Then the choice then would have instead to have supported Ghaddafi helped him to quash the revolution. Ghaddafi spent the last 40 years or so ordering society so that there was no means to gather, discuss, oppose, protest. A unifying group could never have emerged and a unifying group isn't going to conveniently materialise now either, just to keep everything tidy.
and its far far worse than before in terms of safety and security of the citizens
really? Which Libyan told you that?
Graum = ts not a new regime - its a divided country where no one group rules it and its far far worse than before in terms of safety and security of the citizens
Perhaps we should try and re-install another dictator then. I'm sure the Americans are thinking this after what happened in Egypt.
A unifying group could never have emerged and a unifying group isn't going to conveniently materialise now either, just to keep everything tidy.
Someone mentioned what happened after the French revolution, we shall have to see what emerges from Libya.
And predictably TJ walks straight into a trap set by maccruiskeen.
Go on, the pair of you - have a mega and pointless argument about how good or bad things were, and how good or bad they are now are.
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Just maybe if these Lybians could put as much effort into rebuilding their pox ridden country as they have in the obscenity they have carried out on the war graves, then maybe Lybia and the world would be a better place
So Acane and Stavomuller, How do we fix these Muslim countries, would you like to round them all up and gas them?
You rants are ill informed and xenophobic, do you know any Muslims or are you going by what the EDL and Daily Mail tell you?
There are over 1.6 billion muslims in the world and if they all wanted you dead, you probably would be.
their pox ridden country
You don't like Libyans very much do you ?
Just maybe if these Lybians could put as much effort into rebuilding their pox ridden country as they have in the obscenity they have carried out on the war graves, then maybe Lybia and the world would be a better place
Perhaps at some point in this thread you will finally understand that these graves mean nothing to the people who damaged them, and stop demonizing a country for what a minority in it did, then you would also be in a better place.
Incidentally, it was the second issue of the Sun on Sunday.
Ok eyerideit, apart from the fact you can't pronounce your Rs, without knowing me you call me xenophobic. I'll have you know that I'm racist, sexist, ageist and homophobic, just like everyone else on the planet. The only Lybian I ever knew personally, I liked very much, he was a great guy.
apart from the fact you can't pronounce your Rs
And not forgetting the fact that you can't spell.
The only Lybian I ever knew personally, I liked very much, he was a great guy.
Just not a big fan of his country ?
LIBYA!
Oh, you knew a [b]Libyan?[/b]
That changes everything I retract my riddiculous response right away.
Thanks TJ, your input is highly valued
Eyerideit, maybe if someone steals my bike and I find out who did it, I should smash their grandad's gravestone?
Stavromuller have you ever met the old man that looks after the British War graves in Kabul?
If not, STFU and stop accusing these people of being savages.
That makes sense, I'd put that whiskey down and get off to bed.
It's school tomorrow.
You can't call every Muslim evil just because of a few knobs who get into the news
Going back to the OP, yes war graves are some of the most moving places imaginable. Few years ago I went to the Kanchanaburi Cemetary and it was a very peaceful place in amongst the tourism and evidently respected by the local community. Sadly it was deserted compared to the tourist trap surrounding the Bridge which i didn't feel comfortable going close to.
Eyerideit, maybe if someone steals my bike and I find out who did it, I should smash their grandad's gravestone?
What exactly are you playing at stavromuller ? Why are you pretending that Eyerideit or anyone else has said that desecrating graves is a good idea ?
I know that you have been totally traumatised by what happened in the Benghazi War Cemetery, but get a grip ffs.
They all shit In the same pot if you ask me we should just take over
And claim it all
if you ask me we should just take over
I'm not sure if the good citizens of STW are quite up to the job.. or are we..?
So far there doesn't seem to be much condemnation for the acts of destruction done in LIBYA (thanks TJ). By the way TJ, have you ever made anything with your own hands and by the same token, have you ever destroyed anything? Which was the easier?
I would be they there
Just like !!! I must stop now before I get started boild ham is cheap at asda
Oh I have condemened the destruction in Libya stavro
Sirte after the nato bombing and the "revolution"
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Is that a picture of Homs?
Sirte after nato bombed it.
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It's just that after intensive bombing you don't tend to see so many buildings standing or so much shell damage