Why would anyone spend 15mins listening to that idiot?
I think it’s a combination of wanting to see what the daft bat is up to now, followed by the inability to look away from a car-crash happening right in front of your eyes, and the realisation that in getting rid of her when we did, we really did escape a bullet there!
There does seem to be a lot of people in that sort of politics who are exhibiting the same effects as Kennedy Jr’s brain-eating worms - we need to know what the transmission vector is, in order to take appropriate action!
Kelvins right,we must never let the state lock us down or force us to wear paper masks again!
I saw an article about her earlier today and barely recognized her. She looks like she's been caning the sauce or something.
And the Charlie would be my guess
I knew that she was unhinged but I had no idea she was that unhinged.
Like how Neil Oliver went from being marginally eccentric TV presenter to full on conspiracy theorist nutcase.
Truss has had the same sort of journey - mildly eccentric, a few "off the wall" ideas, a delusion of grandeur, transformed into a firm belief that she knows something that They don't... And she's just doubled down and down on it, no doubt with some marginally more intelligent puppet masters behind the scenes, playing to her credulity.
I think she's borderline psychopathic; certainly completely delusional. A narcissist at least has an awareness that they're creating a false impression of themselves but delusional people firmly believe their own hype, even in the face of solid evidence against it.
And the Charlie would be my guess
I seem to recall that was quite widely assumed at the time, and quite a few of those close to her
I was impressed by her comment concerning Rory Stewart's wife. I think it is very likely that no one in that audience had the slightest idea who Rory Stewart is, let alone that he is married with a wife. So she didn't even bother to make any serious attempt to tailor her speech to suit her audience.
I've just started reading Rory Stewart's book about his time in the tory party. I'm afraid to ask but what did she say about his wife?
She just mentions "Rory Stewart's wife" when she was celebrating the ending of USAID.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/13/charity-run-rory-stewarts-wife-1m-funding-cut-musk/
Obviously most people in the audience, if not all, will have had no idea who Rory Stewart is.
Why would anyone spend 15mins listening to that idiot?
Exactly what CountZero says, plus CPAC is an important organisation which can't simply be ignored.
Well it can be I suppose but their man is currently the most powerful politician in the world and what he does is likely to effect us all.
Her level of importance at CPAC is akin to the hot dog guy 2km away from the Champions League final venue.
I find it hard to tell if Liz truss content is real or parody.
Charlie and Chardonnay, I'm led to believe.
Truss is just grifting. There are still enough antivax, anti-lockdown conspiracy theory maniacs out there to keep her in clover. Probably until the end of her days.
It's a similar business model to evangelical TV preachers.
Talking of evangelical TV preachers... has she appeared on stage with the newly ressurected Russell Brand yet? Surely its only a matter of time?
Maybe he'll baptise her in a river in Idaho, live streamed on X?
It's only a matter of time until she fulfills her full potential and sets up a special OnlyFans site where she dresses up as Maggie Thatcher and scolds naughty Tory boys for £100 for 10 mins.
The Times (?) photoshoot she did years before she was actually PM was merely a glimpse of the future.
Can we recommend people who need to be sectioned?
Not Liz Truss.
I reckon Liz Truss would be an embarrassment to Nigel Farage if she joined Reform UK. Even he has the common-sense to tone it down a bit. At least in public.
Has anyone heard Nigel Farage talk about "Deep State" ? And how it's after him ? I can't say that I have.
Has anyone heard Nigel Farage talk about "Deep State" ? And how it's after him ? I can't say that I have.
GB News has reported comments made by Nigel Farage on how Elon Musk might take on the task of reforming government in the USA, and on how such ideas might be replicated in this country.
They reported him saying:
This is the sexy bit: Elon comes in and takes a knife to the deep state. Just like when he bought Twitter he sacked 80% of the staff. There are going to be mass lay-offs, whole departments closing and I’m hoping and praying that’s the blueprint for what we then do on our side of the pond. Because that’s what Reform UK believes in – that we’re over-bureaucratised and none of it works. This assault on the bureaucratic state is the thing that’s really exciting.
They’ll all be gone. They’ll all be fired.
Why do we need Whitehall with all these useless, ghastly Marxists? Universities have all become madrassas of Marxism. The whole thing is appalling.
GB News has reported comments made by Nigel Farage on how Elon Musk might take on the task of reforming government in the USA, and on how such ideas might be replicated in this country.
Mildly surprised that Dominic Cummings hasn't popped his head above the parapet, this was always his vision - break it all then rebuild in his own mold.
But just like Boris Johnson was a poundshop Donald Trump, Dominic Cummings was a poundshop Elon Musk.
And Liz Truss I suspect wouldn't have had the faintest clue of what was going on around her no matter what.
It's all a nonsense, of course, as the functions of government have to be run by someone.
What Musk, Farage, and all the other "deep state" believers want to happen is for government to be run by private businesses, preferably ones they have shares in, or a position on the board. In my experience, this leads to either more expense, due to the profit seeking nature of private companies, or worse services as the shareholders cream off the money paid to the companies by the government. Just look at Thames Water!
I work for a government funded body as a software developer. We are nearly always late on projects, but they don't cost more money, as the extra time is most often done via a zero-cost extension. When we have used external contractors they invariably over-promise, under-deliver, are late and, crucially, provide zero support in production as the contact is up. And they always use the most junior staff, despite tendering with the most experienced.
The most efficient way to run a government is with a large public sector. It's just that the vultures can't make money off that.
Truss is just grifting.
I dont know.
Imagine dedicating yourself to one goal for your entire life. Namely to become prime minister and lead the country to a new golden age.
You achieve that goal putting you above all your fellow dreamers.
Then imagine the country goes WTF and the only reason your premiership lasted more than a month is the mourning period for the queen when you werent allowed to bugger things up.
Thats got to be a serious hit to your mental stability and you either have a choice of accepting your ideas are rather flawed or just doubling down and blaming, well, anything.
I find it hard to tell if Liz truss content is real or parody.
Parody was humanly euthanised and quietly buried some time ago, because it just couldn’t match what reality was dishing up.
just doubling down and blaming, well, anything.
If you read the memoires of any PM the thing that they all say is that when you get to PM, the levers of power are pretty woolly. When Truss says that "the state" put a brake on her radical ideas, she's probably right, it probably did.
The markets did for truss not the state
If you read the memoires of any PM the thing that they all say is that when you get to PM, the levers of power are pretty woolly. When Truss says that "the state" put a brake on her radical ideas, she's probably right, it probably did.
Thats a dangerous way of describing it, and supports the MAGA deep state nonsense.
You can't upend the running of a country on a whim, as Trump and Musk are discovering. A lot of what a civil service does is governed by legislation, even if its secondary legislation. Unpicking it and "fixing" it, for whatever reason, is unnecessarily/luckily quite complicated and will have unexpected consequences, not least a lot of expensive and time consuming legal challenges. A civil service is there to do what the government of the day wants, within the legal framework. Which makes it easy to blame if you don't give a shit about legal protections and processes.
But it was the markets who busted Truss and Kwartengs crazy plans, not the state. She wasn't actually PM long enough for the civil service to block her plans if it had wanted to.
By "The State" I mean the apparatus of any western democracy that functions to maintain the Status Quo. Included in that are financial interests, the civil service, the judiciary, the media, large corporations etc etc After all, as you say; we have 'the markets' to thank for the fact that Truss' madder than most ideas were euthanised at birth. Sometimes, their interests co-inside with everyone else's.
Talking of evangelical TV preachers... has she appeared on stage with the newly ressurected Russell Brand yet? Surely its only a matter of time?
Maybe he'll baptise her in a river in Idaho, live streamed on X?
Might be difficult to tell whether he’s baptising her, or trying to hold her head under the water… 🤷🏼♂️
The grift just keeps on going....
after attacking the establishment for bringing her down after less than 50 days in power.
Well Liz Truss is definitely right about that, it was the establishment that brought her down, the Tory establishment.
Personally I miss Liz Truss
The grift just keeps on going....
**** me, I saw a post about it on Newsthump and just assumed they were taking the piss again.
She's missed the boat by about 15 years, no doubt it'll be as successful as her political career.
A ‘free speech’ social media platform, you say - I could have some fun trolling the stupid woman on that; it’ll be interesting to see just how free I can be with my speech before getting banned! 😜
Can we predict the only people who’ll be on there?
‘Lozza’ Fox, Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson, David Icke, 30p Lee, that anti-vax nutter who used to do ‘Coast’ on BBC2?
I think Farage would even consider it beneath him.
Good luck with that Liz
As an aside, who knew that ‘the home of free speech’ was in Bedford. Every days a school day, eh?
Can we predict the only people who’ll be on there?
I'm wondering what it'll be called. I quite like TrussPilot as an option. LettuceSpeak maybe? PorkTalk. So many possibilities!
I think we all know this surrounds their want to be publicly racist, and blame brown people for all the ills of the country.
It’s tough this. Join to wind them up, but at the same time perpetuate the grift, or let it die a cold, empty death… probably the latter.
Personally I miss Liz Truss
If you practice lots your aim will improve.
I think we all know this surrounds their want to be publicly racist, and blame brown people for all the ills of the country.
You can do that already on X and many other platforms. As long as you don't get close to hate speech you can be as racist as you like. In one way it would be good to read what these people really want to say and get a scale of just how many ****s are in a given country. Might not like the answer but it would be good to know what you are up against.
Why would anyone spend 15mins listening to that idiot??
No need to wonder, my friend! Now that Liz Truss TV is beaming truth bombs direct to the cortices of Lettuceheads (that's what us Truss fans call ourselves - see what a great sense of humour we have?!?!) through the free speech internet, there's more opportunity than ever to fight back against the deep state!
Personally I miss Liz Truss
If you practice lots your aim will improve.
A 1 metre square print of her smug face pinned to one of the target bosses at my archery club would be a satisfying thing to shoot at - I think I can get fairly tight groups between the eyes at 40 yards… 🏹
Is Liz Truss now less a person and more an abstract performance art piece?
Fair play to her. Her total lack of self-awareness and desperate appeal to the Trump MAGA lot is absolutely hilarious. Poor old Lizzie. Even Russel Brand has managed to make it big with those morons. That must sting
MAGA morons seem to bring some charisma or x-factor, dog killers, pillow shaggers, fox newsists, outraged pink faced gammons, cross-wielding brimstone mofos, but Truss is truly devoid of anything. The ultimate empty shell, how tha **** did she get anywhere near any high office position nevermind the top job.
Apologies for commenting as it keeps her relevant but I won’t watch the ghoul show YouTube channel in case it’s misinterpreted as validation.
The ultimate empty shell, how tha **** did she get anywhere near any high office position nevermind the top job.
She’s a living, vacant, grinning testimony to how broken our political system now is.
How a ‘career politician’ who’s as thick as mince can make it to be PM, when her only qualification for doing so is her ability to play Westminster parlor games.
It’s what happens when a few thousand racist pensioners from Eastbourne get to decide who gets the top job. Appeal to that tiny percentage of the electorate and you’re in, free to wreak havoc on the economy on behalf of your Tufton Street paymasters
She’s a living, vacant, grinning testimony to how broken our political system now is.
It's okay though as Starmer is now in and will be fixing it as a matter of urgency. He will be fixing it won't he?
Not sure Starmer can change how the Tory party choose their leader, and who their members are. I suppose he could introduce a change that means any new PM needs to return to the country rather than just be approved by their own party… but then he’d be accused of protecting his own position.
It’s been interesting how little attention changes to electing mayors (and police commissioners) has had, but any changes to how we elect the Westminster parliaments and UK government are likely to meet with charges of fixing the system for Labour and/or its current leadership. It’s not a battle they’re going choose right now, when so much needs doing (and the country are restless for it to be done).
She’s a living, vacant, grinning testimony to how broken our political system now is.
How a ‘career politician’ who’s as thick as mince can make it to be PM, when her only qualification for doing so is her ability to play Westminster parlor games.
What?? I think she is a testimony to the opposite! I fully agree that our political system leaves much to be desired but if you take an iceberg lettuce, wrap it up in kitchen roll, and pop in the fridge, it will stay fresh for longer than the time Liz Truss spent as UK Prime Minister. Liz Truss only lasted 44 days!
So at the end of the day what the Eastbourne pensioners which you referred to wanted became an irrelevance. All of which suggests that in that respect at least the political system worked reasonably well.
Can you imagine the dangers of a political system where executive power is in the hands of one directly elected individual?? And the nigh impossibility of removing them if their gross incompetence became obvious?
And to give an example which I am sure you will appreciate binners......look at the disastrous consequences of the clown who is currently UK Prime Minister. However depressing the state of the situation might be the one glimmer of hope is that he won't be PM until 2029, despite winning a massive 172 parliamentary majority. It is only a question of when not if.
I fully agree that our political system leaves much to be desired but if you take an iceberg lettuce, wrap it up in kitchen roll, and pop in the fridge, it will stay fresh for longer than the time Liz Truss spent as UK Prime Minister. Liz Truss only lasted 44 days!
So at the end of the day what the Eastbourne pensioners which you referred to wanted became an irrelevance. All of which suggests that in that respect at least the political system worked reasonably well.
Yes and no.
It worked to a certain extent to get rid of her but by then the damage was done. A proper political system with some form of check and balance wouldn't have allowed her in the door in the first place.
For the love of God! Is there ANY subject that doesn’t end up with you rattling on about Keir Starmer? 🙄
"rent free"
For the love of God! Is there ANY subject that doesn’t end up with you rattling on about Keir Starmer? 🙄
There are loads of subjects! It's just none of them concern UK politics!
When it comes to UK politics I will bring up the issue of the current Prime Minister over and over again. I did say that I felt sure you would appreciate me doing so, did I get that wrong? 😔
"rent free"
Who would have thought that the person holding the highest political office in the UK should be on anyone's mind on a thread discussing politics ?? 😂
When it comes to UK politics I will bring up the issue of the current Prime Minister over and over again
No shit? This thread is specifically about grifting, tinfoil-helmeted fruitloop Liz Truss though.
My point is that it should never have been left to a few thousand racist pensioners to decide who gets to be PM.
A year before she got the top job I stuck a tenner on Truss becoming the next PM as to me it seemed that in the madness of Brexit Britain it had a horrible inevitability about it.
IIRC I got 11/1 when Rishi was 2/1 and apparently nailed on*.They were always going to make it so. It was so predictable. But it should never ever have happened, because if it was decided at a general election she’d have had absolutely no chance! So it’s a totally ****ed-up political system that delivers a PM who nobody but some senile blue-rinses and retired colonels wanted
*Unfortunately my winnings didn’t compensate for how much worse off we all are because of her economic cockwomblery
So it’s a totally ****ed-up political system that delivers a PM who nobody but some senile blue-rinses and retired colonels wanted
I think it's exactly what her Tufton Street paymasters (and possibly Russia) wanted. Whether or not she was smart enough to know that's the tune she was dancing to is anyone's guess; she doesn't seem smart enough to know which way is up so I can't imagine for a second she actually thought she was "installed".
Somewhere in the back of her brain cell is a conviction that she did it all on talent. Poor deluded thing.
Whether or not she was smart enough to know that's the tune she was dancing to is anyone's guess
They probably convinced her it was all her own idea. I can’t imagine that would have taken long
My point is that it should never have been left to a few thousand racist pensioners to decide who gets to be PM.
Whilst my point is that it was only 45 days before she was forced to announce her resignation. So this story isn't exactly a "testimony to how broken our political system now is" as you claim.
And if you look at the longer-term consequences of a few thousand racist pensioners deciding who gets to be PM (it was actually elected Conservative MPs that decided who was on the ballot paper) then you should be very satisfied.
Labour only had a 5% lead over the Tories the week before Boris Johnson announced his resignation, all that changed overnight as the result of Liz Truss becoming PM and support for the Tories instantly collapsed, it was game over at that point and Risi Sunak stood no chance of saving a mortally wounded Tory Party.
The landslide victory which Sir Keir Starmer enjoyed in July 2024 (see I have mentioned him again! 🤭) with only 34% of the vote could not have happened without Liz Truss firstly shafting the Tory Party big time.
So you need to feel a little more gratitude towards Liz Truss binners, I am sure that your man Sir Keir Starmer does!
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/42934-voting-intention-con-34-lab-39-22-23-june
she doesn't seem smart enough to know which way is up so I can't imagine for a second she actually thought she was "installed".
Truss can't always have been this delulu. Like Diane Abbot, she must have been a smart cookie to get into Oxbridge (because neither of them was in a position to simply drift in, even in the 70s or 80s) but somewhere along the way they have both lost it.
Maybe book smart
But not actually smart
Truss's school in Leeds sends a lot of kids to Oxbridge and her father is an academic. she had opportunities that most kids don't have, or even know exist
She didn't come from a rough estate in Darlington or Portsmouth
Truss's school in Leeds sends a lot of kids to Oxbridge and her father is an academic. she had opportunities that most kids don't have, or even know exist
She didn't come from a rough estate in Darlington or Portsmouth
And from family experience, Cambridge (and I presume Oxford, though that is where most of the Tory loons went) are much keener to offer places to bright kids from "ordinary" backgrounds than not so bright kids who have been groomed by parents, the "right" schools or tutors. Jnr used to help out on open days and had parents bitching that the cost of private education no longer guaranteed a place over some state schooled kid who had earned their place despite a shit school or social disadvantages.
Truss's school in Leeds sends a lot of kids to Oxbridge and her father is an academic. she had opportunities that most kids don't have, or even know exist
She didn't come from a rough estate in Darlington or Portsmouth
1) it's a good thing when a state school sends lots of kids to Oxbridge.
2) obviously her dad being "in the trade" will have helped her education, no doubt. But she still had to compete for a place. She wasn't Prince Charles, who was waved into Cambridge with a B and a C at O-level.
3) Truss's home life was oddly transient and disjointed: Leeds, Communist Warsaw (!), Kidderminster, Paisley, Leeds, British Columbia... She wasn't wildly privileged.
I'm not saying that Truss was some kind of rags to riches story or even that I admire her. Quite the opposite. But I am saying she can't have always been as bonkers and self-delusional as she seems to be now.
You can be intelligent (in whatever form that takes) and still be completely and utterly deranged.
Her intelligence isn’t the issue. It’s the fact that she’s as mad as a box of frogs
So a psychological/mental health issue if she was okay 20 years ago. Shouldn't we be supportive or does that only work when you like the person?
My point is that it should never have been left to a few thousand racist pensioners to decide who gets to be PM.
The current PM was pretty much appointed by establishment power brokers in the civil service, media and the city to supposedly be a 'safe pair of hands' and look where that's got us. We're on the brink of handing power to schoolboy hitler fanboy and a motley crew of reactionary bigots who can't even get their heads around being a local councillor let alone governing a country.
The current PM was pretty much appointed by establishment power brokers in the civil service, media and the city to supposedly be a 'safe pair of hands' and look where that's got us.
No he wasn’t. That’s bobbings.
Most functions of the state are being turned around. The failures are mostly pre-existing or over blown (being pinned on the “current PM” by the power brokers in civil service, the media and the city) and the improvements over looked. When did you last hear about the work done over the last 18 months in the NHS to reduce waiting times? For example.
The current PM was pretty much appointed by establishment power brokers in the civil service, media and the city
Blimey there's been a few nutty conspiracy theories on this thread but this takes the prize.
There is a very obvious conspiracy against the current PM in the rightwing media cheered on by X/Musk, MAGA (non hard right parties in europe generally), and various RTF, tommy rob, FB etc groups. And a few twits from the supposed left joining in as we see...
There doesn't need to be a conspiracy. Starmer and Reeves are useless and have no direction or strategy, which is the point. The country is no better off having them running it than when Sunak was running it and people can see that and want something better. Truss was dealt with quickly, Starmer will just hang on in there thinking he is doing a great job.
Yeah, I mentioned Starmer.
And a few twits from the supposed left joining in as we see...
And don't forget also the overwhelming majority of the population........ they are all apparently part of this conspiracy which you speak off. Currently 73% of voters see him unfavourably!
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53439-political-favourability-ratings-november-2025
Plus let's not forget that "Labour Together", the organisation behind Starmer's bid to become leader, was revealed today to be conspiring to have him replaced......yes everyone's in on the anti-Starmer conspiracy!
Btw John you mentioned, quote, "there's been a few nutty conspiracy theories on this thread", I must have missed them, can you provide any vague clues about them?
Incidentally I agree that it is nonsense to claim that Starmer was appointed by establishment power brokers in the civil service, media and the city, it was the Labour Party members who he successfully fooled with his "Corbynism without Corbyn" bollox who appointed him.
Although to be fair the right-wing press were hugely satisfied when they realised that he was just full of shit, look at the easy ride they have given him compared to his predecessor.
The current PM was pretty much appointed by establishment power brokers in the civil service
You are as mad and deluded as Liz Truss
I think its important to maintain a bit of perspective.
I don't think Starmers government is very impressive, but in the context of the Conservatives 'lazy Susan' approach of rotating ministers and PMs it's brilliant.
The bar wasn't very high, though, let's be honest.
I mean truss famously said we are now exporting tea to China, Yorkshire tea to be exact, lol.
Don't quote me but I think Yorkshire tea is mostly sourced from Africa and India.
And don't even get me started on pork markets and European cheese!!
The country is no better off having them running it
Much as I am bitterly disappointed by Labours abysmal performance and pandering to the right, they have made some small improvements in some small areas. "Better off"? Probably not, more like "not quite as shit".
My point is that it should never have been left to a few thousand racist pensioners to decide who gets to be PM.
Please dont keep repeating this rubbish. Lets leave aside our entire political system and how difficult it would be to move away from a members vote and the obvious flaws of leaving it to the professionals to avoid triggering you lets just think the orange book lot and how their paymaster did move on and is now funding an even bigger bunch of loons.
She had plenty of support from the hard right press/institutions and not just the membership. There were plenty suspicious about Sunak and his slightly less right wing loony ideas.
There is a real risk by blaming the membership everyone else is let off like, for example, a certain Nigel Farage who praised her budget "the best Conservative budget since 1986" and, well, pretty much everyone on the rightwing, especially the press, who absolutely loved it for the first couple of days.
Although in fairness no one had expected the pension funds to be such morons (okay thats a flaw but see below)and carrying out such insane overleveraging whilst ignoring the advice given to us amateurs of "prices may go down as well as up". Possibly something to bear in mind when deifying the bonds markets.
"not quite as shit".
Well yes, I guess there's that at least, not quite as shit as Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak.
But the problem is that there is also another aspect of his premiership......he is holding the door of 10 Downing Street wide open for Nigel Farage.
An eyes-watering 172 seat parliamentary majority plus 5 full uninterrupted years to use it how he likes and make a real difference. Yet we are witnessing him pissing it all down the drain and making Nigel Farage's premiership all but certain. Although I very much doubt he even cares.
"not quite as shit".
Well yes, I guess there's that at least, not quite as shit as Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak.
But the problem is that there is also another aspect of his premiership......he is holding the door of 10 Downing Street wide open for Nigel Farage.
An eyes-watering 172 seat parliamentary majority plus 5 full uninterrupted years to use it how he likes and make a real difference. Yet we are witnessing him pissing it all down the drain and making Nigel Farage's premiership all but certain. Although I very much doubt he even cares.
I think he cares, I genuinely do... But I think he's scared of the real elephant in the room when it comes to tax..
The multinationals who don't pay any.
I'm talking about alphabet, Amazon, meta etc. Etc.
That's why there's a black hole in public finance..
It's not because some families can afford a house with a garden and a garage, and some are stuck in a rental trap.. that's not even pocket change compared to the billions in lost tax income that should be coming from the global mega-coorps to be allowed to operate in the UK.
I think he cares, I genuinely do
I think he is best summed up by the alleged critic who said "only PM who thinks his political beliefs should be private". He has displayed firm beliefs about a couple of subjects but thats about it.
I listened to the revolutions podcast a while back (its great and I recommend it but it is lengthy) and he does remind me of several of those who came "behind by a head", often literally, who couldn't quite decide on a position so just vacillated until everyone was annoyed and one of the most extreme by action(note not by ideology) took advantage.
I think he cares, I genuinely do
I think he is best summed up by the alleged critic who said "only PM who thinks his political beliefs should be private". He has displayed firm beliefs about a couple of subjects but thats about it.
I listened to the revolutions podcast a while back (its great and I recommend it but it is lengthy) and he does remind me of several of those who came "behind by a head", often literally, who couldn't quite decide on a position so just vacillated until everyone was annoyed and one of the most extreme by action(note not by ideology) took advantage.
Well exactly.. It's a balancing act.
If I was PM I'd outright make religion of any kind, illegal.. Or at least I'd remove any religious bias in any and all decisions.
That probably won't win any votes though, as the likes of farrage would say 'they are banning Christmas! Bloody Jews /mussies etc.
As far as I am concerned, religion has absolutely no place in modern society, fine if you want to be quirky and collect amythst stones for your Shakira or whatever, but please stop thinking your particular interpretation of religion has any relevance, because it's all utter bullshit.
Well exactly.. It's a balancing act.
Might be a mistake on my side but I didnt intend it to be read as such.
Its more at some point you have to shit or get off the pot. The main problem, in my eyes, with Starner is he wastes time trying to placate the hard right. This is an impossible mission since they look back to Thatcher who took a ton of state resources and pissed them away. This wouldnt be so bad in itself but the problem is she didnt just piss them away but sold them on the never-never which is now becoming due.
These arent people who can be appeased or reasoned with since they havent arrived at their positions through reasons. These are the sort of people who ignore the tories taking the north sea reserves and pissing them away whilst counting the drips as a kind donation.
If I was PM I'd outright make religion of any kind, illegal.. Or at least I'd remove any religious bias in any and all decisions.
As for your starter. As someone who thinks Dawkins is a bit of a wet I would never oppose people believing in some crap or another. That way you end up with the confused amplified backlash and people muttering about Cromwell or the Romans being religiously intolerant (neither of which is really true unless people mix up religion and politics).
I struggle to see how you would remove that bias as well.
I am also not quite sure why you are against religious belief in particular? Are you equally opposed to any other unfounded beliefs?