See, I do read some things. Just not when I need a dump!
Your right, it is hard to believe, especially when it was all so unbelievable. But one thing I can tell you about 'the lance years' is that they where spectacular. Clearly too spectacular.
Kind of Alberto Contador attacking spectacular. The recovery from crashing on the Luz Ardiden climb(2003?) springs to mind, mainly as i was there getting sun burnt and drunk.
The second half of your post kind of sums up the conundrum really, there is a huge(now considerably smaller) image of him as a hero and inspiration. Never bought into the whole 'hero' thing, but so far I've never needed one so I'm in no position to comment
I still have my livestrong baseball hat and it is very comfortable but I feel more & more like a chump when I am wearing it.
abusers who set up chareetee to hide their cynical intent are the worst kind of creature, moral blackmail is standard with them, so when on other threads people ask what is the connection between saville and armstrong-- they both worked tirelessly to deflect from their real purpose, self aggrandisement .
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See, I do read some things. Just not when I need a dump!That is the best time to read things on the internet. One of the greatest achivement of the modern age is giving you internet access while on the throne.
So many interesting angles to this....
Just been reading comments about LA's cancer, and the reported views that anti-doping controls from the Fleche Wallone ought to have flagged his as then undetected cancer from the blood samples - which then remained undetected until the lump was the size of an orange...? 😯
The mind boggles - I'm pretty sure I'd notice, especially if my job involved sitting on a race bike saddle every day.
I can see why the tinfoil hat wearers have questioned the whole cancer scenario
langylad - Member
I watched road cycling with a passing interest in the late 80's/early 90's when channel 4 brought the tdf to these shores for the first time ........ I then missed 10 years or so......... and only came back to it recently
snap
ive just now, finished reading the (main) 202p Reasoned Decision, very interesting insight into the world of doping
think i will skip the following 800ish pages of 'evidence'
I can see why the tinfoil hat wearers have questioned the whole cancer scenario
Has anyone suggested he didn't have cancer? I don't think even the most die hard of anti-Lance people would say that.
i think its the other way round,that his cancer was triggered by doping, and covered up by his 'methods'-- in the end i suppose he could not ignore the 'orange'!
Pretty sure there have been a (small) number of comments to that effect on here... and elsewhere.
Nike are denying any payment to UCI. Not surprising really. What's surprising is that people felt comfortable putting that sort of accusation in the public domain
INDEPENDENT.CO.UK So what's going on with the number of ProTour riders who seem to be coming forward expressing "shock" and "surprise" as the contents of the USADA reasoned decision? Surely not a credible reaction to the news.
I'm just a fan and a follower of the sport and none of this particularly shocks or surprises me, so I'm surprised to hear people who were riding in the peloton at the time that doping was rife expressing surprise. Most of this has been known or rumoured for years. More omerta in action?
What's surprising is that people felt comfortable putting that sort of accusation in the public domain
Well it wasn't, was it - at least directly... This was originally a sworn deposition to the SCA case.
And, lets face it, the way I read Nike's statement, they haven't exactly denied the payment....
... just the reason
reading that article it appears that the sole aim of livestrong is to promote Lance, so he can pocket substantial appearance fees at events, and stockpile money, as well as arranging gatherings (money collections) where they talk about Cancer and pay more appearance fees to the guests... LA being a regular 'guest'!
Ive also heard a lot about use of a private jet being charged to LA.
Re hte cause of his cancer - the majority of Testicular cancers are caused by a severe impact (ive had it and my hospital companions all said the same thing, at some point they had had a subsatntial impact or trauma to the effected testicle) - There was an incident during a race in the UK when a car forced its way on to the course and hit some of the riders - from memory LA was hit and the tv cameras showed him holding between his legs bent over in pain, experience would suggest that this may have been the initial impact / cause. However for someone going to numerous medicals it should have been apparent there was something wrong, and it was probably the masking of illegal drugs that also covered up the early signs of his cancer.
it appears that the sole aim of livestrong is to promote Lance, so he can pocket substantial appearance fees at events, and stockpile money, as well as arranging gatherings (money collections) where they talk about Cancer and pay more appearance fees to the guests... LA being a regular 'guest'!
I think it is the fact that th eprofile of LA is linked to Livestrong the bigger it is the bigger he is
Had he just retired and was say making bikes he would not have the profile he does now nor the sponsorship.
I doubt he takes directly from it [ he is not stupid now is he] but I do think he does "profit" from it but indirectly.
Conversly look what would likely happen to livestrong were he banged up in prison as a convicted drugs cheat, perjorer and outright liar.
Or imagine it transpires [ i dont think this does happen] that LA was symphoning of funds for his personal gains [ direct] then what would happen to Livestring and LA- they are pretty much one and the same
It is obvious his status and the L ivestrong status is linked- or he would not keep telling us about all the great work he does for charity
Saint Lance the awesome type thing
Well it wasn't, was it - at least directly... This was originally a sworn deposition to the SCA case.
Which was then repeated by Lemond's wife in a NYT article yesterday I think
And, lets face it, the way I read Nike's statement, they haven't exactly denied the payment....
I think that they denied that they did it, but not necessarily the other person that was named has possibly having made the payment. Always interesting to see what isn't said
the majority of Testicular cancers are caused by a severe impact (ive had it and my hospital companions all said the same thing, at some point they had had a subsatntial impact or trauma to the effected testicle
I've not heard this one before. It's certainly not listed in the accepted risk factors for TC that I've seen.
I guess that as someone 'busting his ass' for six hours a day on the bike, a bit of swelling down below might not get checked out with cancer in mind as quickly, and it's easy to see how LA's underlying low testosterone level might have been 'disguised' while his cancer progressed.
He probably thought he could self cure from cancer. After all, Phil Ligget has personally seen people beat cancer as a direct result of listening to Lance speaking. (as stated in that interview on South African radio / internet tv thing about 2 months ago.)
[i]I can see why the tinfoil hat wearers have questioned the whole cancer scenario[/i]
Whats a tin foil hat wearer?
BTW I said (slightly tongue in cheek)maybe he never had cancer, because if he could carry on that anti drug charade for so long....effectively living a lie, that it would now seem remotely possible that the cancer was also a lie. If not that he had it, but perhaps the extent of it. Who wouldn't notice one of their nuts expanding, especially sitting on those saddles!
Lance Amstrong to quits as chairman of his own cancer charity
At last he has done something right.
GUARDIAN.CO.UK I think that they denied that they did it, but not necessarily the other person that was named has possibly having made the payment. Always interesting to see what isn't said
Nike statement, as reported by the Indie...
Nike would not engage in discussion on the claim last night – instead issuing a 42-word statement. [b]"In response to the offensive allegations in today's New York Daily News, Nike vehemently denies that it paid former UCI president Hein Verbruggen $500,000 to cover up a positive drug test,"[/b] the statement read. [b]"Nike does not condone the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs."[/b]
NOTE - the "to cover up a positive drug test" caveat...
To me, that says that the payment was made, otherwise the full stop would most emphatically be after $500,000. Don't forget, the Corporate lawyers would have scrutinised these words very precisely
Whats a tin foil hat wearer?
Conspiracy theorist
bigdawg - Memberreading that article it appears that the sole aim of livestrong is to promote Lance,
It does not, no.
MrSmith - Member
MrSmith - Member
Hora so have you had enough time to ponder my question?
so do you still think he's innocent and didn't dope?
just wonderin like.
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Let's be clear that it would be very naughty for anyone to suggest that McQuaid or Verbruggen are clowns or like Gaddafi, or full of ordure, or crooked in any way, so I hope no one is going to repeat such allegations.
Nike must have been feeling some serious heat...
Reading between the lines on the separate Livestrong / Nike news feeds - reckon they've cut a deal???
You stand down from Livestrong and we'll sever links with you, but continue to support the foundation?
Time McQuaid and / or Verbruggen came clean on all this...
As I said above, Nike haven't denied payement to Verbruggen - they have just denied that it was to cover up a doping fail.
I'm pretty sure that their lawyers would have said everything under the sun to make plain that NO PAYMENT HAD BEEN MADE, had no payment been made...
I can understand why a sporting goods company would contribute to the UCI, but to a private individual, and then not deny it... 😯
I've not heard this one before. It's certainly not listed in the accepted risk factors for TC that I've seen
Niether have I just what I know from speaking to the guys undergonig chemo the same time as me - one was caught between the legs by a big hook and some very tight elastic, one was hit by a forklift truck, one was kicked and one jumped off the back of a lorry and caught himself on the tail lift. All damaging the same testicle the cancer later appeared in.
Anyone reckon he's currently orchestrating an appearance on whatever is the biggest chat show in America to come clean about all this. For a fee of course...
😉
The UCI has been very quiet on all of this. I think they've got a week left to either endorse the USADA file or take it to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
Just been reading comments about LA's cancer, and the reported views that anti-doping controls from the Fleche Wallone ought to have flagged his as then undetected cancer from the blood samples - which then remained undetected until the lump was the size of an orange..
Well the size is worrying, as you say - but it's clear that all the riders stuff their shorts anyway, so perhaps it was hard to notice... 😉
Actually, in a similar way, the suggestion is his testosterone level was so high that they missed all the 'normal' endocrine signals for testicular cancer, as pointed out above. Which in turn, it has been suggested, was a function of his, ah, 'training protocols'
What now for Trek ?
They might have to try and buy him out(he is a large share holder). I'm sure their lawyers are all over it right now! He should do sell up and give the money away.
One of the greatest achivement of the modern age is giving you internet access while on the throne.
AMEN
I'm in where do I send the money?
Ummm...paypal....email in profile?
Is the technicality that USADA got him on that he was a lieing cheating dope taker ?
Is it a piss take?
Anybody else tempted to dontate?
dontate?
Saw that. Still can't work out if it's a joke or not
Lifer can we transfer Kasae to the organisation ?
They are mentalists - arguing healthcare for all will costs lifes
and my favourite
Since Thomas Edison and the Spindletop gushers that started the Texas oil boom, America has been the world leader in energy development. From electricity to nuclear power, American technology and industrial innovations have fueled global economic transformation with new forms of energy.Today, [b]we’re pioneering in new areas like conservation and green energy technologies.[/b] And America can continue to be the global energy leader for decades to come –
I cannot think why they dont point out that the Us of A consumes more than 25 % of the power of the planet despite their population being less than 5 % of the population
It really is, at times, a strange an unenlightened country
