[Closed] Lance - how much longer before the bubble bursts?

I hope you have your flame proof cape on. You are about to be flamed within and inch of your life

you're obviously new - we had this thread last week...

Or... how long before people move on to another story?

Can't we vet new posts on STW?

you'd be on the forum dole then hora 😉

aye we had it last week and the week before and the week before that etc etc you get my drift

guilty or not his high public profile will make him a target for attacks

Oh well, never mind.

I used to come on STW a lot, been away for a few years, re-joined last week.....

(Can't we vet new posts on STW?)oooo get you 😯

[i]I used to come on STW a lot, been away for a few years, re-joined last week.....[/i]

Some things, ie, hora, are still very much the same.

Are we trying worship Lance Armstrong? Bloody maggot. Bloody celebrity.

😈

Next headline

"Lance may be banned because someone said he thinks he might have been involved with a dodgy team mate who he heard might have taken something"

Hora - you will just have to face it. He is a long term drug cheat.

I'm guessing Hora has posters of Lance in his bedroom...

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I bet hora bought one of those wristbands from Lance's [s]charity foundation[/s] business

TJ, you really need to practise the trolling. You're really shit at it.

Some people still feeling a bit jealous this week? It can eat you right up y'know.

I sell them to street beggars. They need the money and kindness for 'food' you know 🙄

He could well be a cheat but I don't care either way he's done more for cycling and cancer globally than anyone or anything before him

Big Kimmage/Walsh article next issue Sunday Times

(strangely not afraid of being sued any more)

Firestarter - really? More than say Eddie Merckx? More than the various nameless medical researchers or the people who raise money for cancer research?

Armstrong loves his own myth - he should he created it. Pity most of it is based on falsehoods

Yes he has done some good. But don't overstate it

Sorry, TJ, has he been tried and found guilty without us knowing?

I'm surprised at your branding him a cheat - never really had you down as a member of the lynch mob. 🙁

(from someone who has long suspected but isn't going to jump on the envy bandwagon just yet)

There are thousands of individuals doing good and making a lot less noise about it. My cycling buddy's wife raises funds and has just returned from another trip to Kenya in her own holiday time where she distributes the money personally to fund the education of Kenyan girls. She doesn't just sit in an hotel in Nairobi, she travels all over the country finding the girls and handing over the lolly. It's arduous and dangerous but nobody praises her or makes a big song and dance about it.

Lance who?

And let us not forget Jesus.
He was but a humble carpenter and did far more than Lance.

Darcy - I am personally convinced. Nowt to do with envy, nowt to do with a lynch mob.

There's been corruption in commercial sports for decades, get over it!

Personally, i'm a bit bemused how we are so preoccupied with commercial sport. Football seems to have the greatest following and boy, don't the people at the top of that game bring the game into disrepute?

Anyone who takes competitive commercial sport seriously really needs their head examined because it's ONLY a game!

Sport should be for fun, for recreation - period!

Armstrong loves his own myth - he should he created it. Pity most of it is based on falsehoods

Is this fact based on first hand experience or just your opinion? I'm not too sure from this.

I have said before that surely he must be innocent until proven guilty, anything else is just guesswork and speculation.

[b]TandemJeremy[/b]

I am personally convinced....

....that anyone who has ever taken an illegal chemical substance should be shunned and anything they say treated with derision and disbelief.

Once a druggy always a druggy eh Jeremy 🙄

The Witch Finder General always found witches. They must have been guilty, eh.

I will presume he's innocent until he is proven otherwise. The weight of the evidence of tests so far is in his favour.

The weight of innuendo and statements from known cheats and liars may point otherwise, but let's give him a fair trial and not knot the rope unless he's proven guilty.

Oh look - hilldodger is back to attack me.

I thought you had left - or is this just your TJ bashing alter ego?

And let us not forget Jesus.
He was but a humble carpenter and did far more than Lance.

And lets not forget the [i]baby[/i] Jesus, He wasnt even a carpenter yet, but still bore the weight of all our sins.

I just wish Lances wristbands had had a hologram on them, they might have [i]cured[/i] cancer.

yes i believe so tj, yes others do lots and have done lots but he has inspired thousands to ride and raised millions, not mention the thousands of people he has inspired to raise money too

I'm always surprised at your stance on this TJ. Innocent til proven guilty and all that.

Fact is, in any court in the world, Armstrong is innocent. That may change in the future, maybe one day he will be found guilty of doping or sporting fraud or something but at the moment, he's innocent.

The empirical evidence and data from hundreds, maybe thousands, of drug tests is far greater than the anecdotal evidence of former colleagues, associates etc (most of whom seem to have an axe to grind).

Normally, you'd be the one standing up for all this rather than joining the lynch mob.

I used to be a real lala fan - from about 92 when he was the new kid on the block, and was so upset when he got so ill and was pleased when he recovered and came back to ride again.
Then I read his book when it came out - in hardback no less!
I've not been a fan since.
His attitude to other people is abhorrent to me, his personal cult of lala fills me with distate and the innuendo about his amazing cycling abilities have been going round since the late 90s.
I'm not jumping on a bandwagon, I've been on it since it just started rolling.

Its nothing to do with a lynch mob. Its a hatred of liars and cheat. There is plenty of good evidence if you want to see it. Trouble is too many folk don't.

I think the real reason is the big lie technique he uses. "the most tested athlete in history" - which is bollocks and if you look at his denials they are very carefully worded - real spin doctor stuff.

OK, but has anything been proven?

He could well be a cheat but I don't care either way he's done more for cycling and cancer globally than anyone or anything before him

Don't know about "anyone or anything" - in fact I strongly doubt that - but he's certainly done a lot more than me (including a charity ride in AUS last week), even if sometimes he can come across as a bit arrogant. Mind you, given what he's achieved I suppose it's not entirely surprising.

He may not be the "most tested athlete in history", either, but he's been tested, repeatedly, both on and off season, and despite all the tests [b]nothing[/b] has been proved.

1999 samples?

Its nothing to do with a lynch mob. Its a hatred of liars and cheat.

TJ, which part of this don't you get? He has NOT been found guilty of ANYTHING! Therefore at the moment he is NOT lying and has NOT been cheating! That may change but unlike you, I'm not going to pass judgement. IF he is found guilty then I will join the detractors. Until then I am entirely neutral on the subject.

Its nothing to do with a lynch mob. Its a hatred of liars and cheat.

Top sportsmen take drugs. It was part of the cold war and was funded and organised by the state. By the time the state stopped getting involved it was part of every sport and ever sportsman at all levels.

Lance is not a cheat, he is just part of the system, same as all the others. They all deserve respect for doing what is necessary to win.

1999 samples?

Sperm samples? Do you still have the tissues you dug out of his hotel bin dude?

Therefore at the moment he is NOT lying and has NOT been cheating

Legal rulings don't define reality! If he is lying then he is lying, whether or not this is proved doesn't change that.

you know what I mean, dude

[i]Legal rulings don't define reality! If he is lying then he is lying, whether or not this is proved doesn't change that. [/i]

That's my point though.

TJ doesn't KNOW that LA is lying any more than I KNOW he's not lying. Unfortunately, TJ is therefore shouting his opinion all over the interweb and refusing to listen to anyone else. No change there then.

Point is, it's unproved either way therefore it might be an idea to wait for the federal investigation to conclude, yes? Although clearly I'm forgetting that TJ's opinion on a biking forum is probably more valid than a federal investigation with access to more information than us... 🙄