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There's an argument that says that working for BAT is obviously worse than working for, say, John Lewis - but there's also an argument that says anyone looking for clean hands in massively interconnected global capitalism is engaged in a futile game of moral one-upmanship (sp?).

true, but then you would end up having no morals about what you would and wouldnt do. I have a line based on my life experiance. I also make an effort with any investments I have (or had its all gone) but obviously I have no idea what goes on with my pension.... doubt I would like it.


 
Posted : 06/04/2009 12:40 pm
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I wish there a law that dictated people on forums slagging companies/cars/bikes etc. off were required to actually say what line of business they worked/what car drove/what bike they ride when making all these grandiose claims of murder, rape and pillage.

As konabunny says there are many companies you think are okay that maybe don't exactly gleam. Think about it whilst pulling on that Nike sweat(shop)shirt possibly.

(IT/VW Golf/Niner Air-9 - by the way.....).


 
Posted : 06/04/2009 12:44 pm
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they act in a way that would not be acceptable at any kind other employer.

What always irks me is that they get away with stuff which the people who actually run the government departments (ie civil servants) would get sacked for.


 
Posted : 06/04/2009 2:15 pm
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true, but then you would end up having no morals about what you would and wouldnt do.

Yes - this is the problem, I agree. There has to be a scale of immorality (rather than yes/no) because otherwise you end up saying that Hitler was only as responsible as the 17 year old conscript, which is obviously bollocks.

But an employee of Kyocera (for instance) slagging off an employee of BAT as some sort of evil deathmerchant is missing the point about how business works - if you don't work for BAT, you probably sell photocopiers to them (as it were).

I would be unlikely to accept a job with a tobacco company, but I have done consultancy work for them (for my employer) in the past. So...

Edit: the point being that you can't get into some morality arms race about tobacco companies' behaviour: either illegalize what is wrong, or just expect them to get on with it.


 
Posted : 07/04/2009 12:28 am
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Thing is, you just know they have an employment lawyer scour all over the allowances just so they can stand in front of the cameras and say "It's all completely legal..." with confidence


 
Posted : 07/04/2009 12:35 am
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Well, if it's legal, then there's nothing actionable about it. So change the law/rules on expenses.


 
Posted : 07/04/2009 4:57 am
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