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Still being questioned according to the news 😯
What do you think they offered him for supper? 😉
Read the full story yesterday and saw the children of Mrs McConville on TV still traumatised by the whole thing. Truly appalling story....I'd love to see Adams banged up forever, but wonder what harm may come from it.
Rockape63 - Member
Read the full story yesterday and saw the children of Mrs McConville on TV still traumatised by the whole thing. Truly appalling story....I'd love to see Adams banged up forever, but wonder what harm may come from it.
What ever happened to innocent till proven guilty? you do know being questioned doesn't equate to guilt, aye?
The mconville children saw the faces of those who took their mother as they weren't wearing masks (they haven't told the police who). The Boston tapes lay the blame squarely at Adams feet. Everybody knows who did what in the troubles. Proving it in a court of law is a different matter, largely due to witness reluctence to testify as these people would kill you and your family in the blink of an eye, rather than than there being no evidence.
And to be fair, Gerry Adams and the word innocent are slightly odd bedfellows.
do you think adams carried out the killing? The boston tapes lay the blame at Adams for giving the order(so it will be all but impossible to prove tbh), but, I think brendan hughes was a bit on the bitter side, so who know's how reliable that testimony is. If that's all the evidence there is, then really this is just underhand political manouvering.thestabiliser - Member
@seosamh77The mconville children saw the faces of those who took their mother as they weren't wearing masks (they haven't told the police who). The Boston tapes lay the blame squarely at Adams feet. Everybody knows who did what in the troubles. Proving it in a court of law is a different matter, largely due to witness reluctence to testify as these people would kill you and your family in the blink of an eye, rather than than there being no evidence.
possibly and most likely probably, but you still need to prove it.Nobeerinthefridge - Member
And to be fair, Gerry Adams and the word innocent are slightly odd bedfellows.
Imagine being the copper who pulled all this together and had to make the decision on whether to pull Adams in for questioning? How far up the line do you reckon that decision had to go to be approved?
I think you're both naive and foolish to think that ther most important factor here is what can be proven in a court of law
She's still dead and its known who is responsible for it.
Allegedly.thestabiliser - Member
I think you're both naive and foolish to think that ther most important factor here is what can be proven in a court of lawShe's still dead and its known who is responsible for it.
Tbh I think it's all stage managed anyhow, peter robinsons comments are interesting.
Meanwhile the DUP leader and First Minister Peter Robinson has come out in support of the PSNI in the actions they have taken in the McConville murder investigation.He explained: "I would suggest it would be political policing if the PSNI had not questioned those that were deemed to have been involved in any way.
[b]"It strengthens the political process in Northern Ireland for people to know that no-one is above the law, everyone is equal under the law and everyone is equally subject to the law.[/b]
"I commend the police for the action they have taken. They must have known that by taking this step they would be criticised from some quarters but it is my duty as First Minister, as it is for others that have taken up ministerial office, to give their support to police and the rule of law."
i think the bit in bold is the end game here(in this particular instance), creating illusions.
Allegedly
No it IS known but the witnesses are too frightened (of an organisation that has 'rejected' violence) to corroborate the other evidence which is uinsufficient on it's own to secure a conviction.
How can you know what the witness has to say, if they haven't said it?thestabiliser - Member
Allegedly
No it IS known but the witnesses are too frightened (of an organisation that has 'rejected' violence) to corroborate the other evidence which is uinsufficient on it's own to secure a conviction.
Michael Mconville yesterday on Radio 4 said that he knew the people who abducted and murdered his mother as when they tore her from his eleven year old arms and dragged her into the street they were not wearing masks and sees them to this day but that he is too frightened for the safety of his own family to name them. Is that clear enough?
thestabiliser - Member
Michael Mconville yesterday on Radio 4 said that he knew the people who abducted and murdered his mother as when they tore her from his eleven year old arms and dragged her into the street they were not wearing masks and sees them to this day but that he is too frightened for the safety of his own family to name them. Is that clear enough?
I know what he's said, he still hasn't named names though. So currently it's quite a leap to be pointing fingers at Adams.
People get interviewed under caution all the time, it's no indicator of guilt.
I've just finished a rather scarey book on Belfast in the 70s called Watching The Door by Kevin Myers, a sort of unofficial chronicle of all the nasty people in Belfast, whom he names - probably because most of them are now dead.
Curiously he is very short on detail on Adams and McGuinness. Maybe that's just because both were very junior at that time.
Michael McConville:
he had been abducted and beaten by the IRA when he was 11, and warned if he went to the police that he or family members would be killed.
"I do know the names of the people, I've never told anyone," he said.
"I wouldn't tell the police. If I told the police now a thing, me or one of my family members or one of my children would get shot by those people," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
He said that "everybody thinks this has all gone away", but that people still suffered intimidation - not by the IRA, but by "splinter groups" of the paramilitary organisation.
"They would just class you as an informant and they would shoot you," he said.
I don't think it is just as easy to name the killers and that will be it when you live in the same area.
Like I said, you're naive and foolish
Especially true when you have experience of what happens to informants.(which in the locale(not the papers) it's still widely believed mrs mcconville was)BlindMelon - MemberI don't think it is just as easy to name the killers and that will be it when you live in the same area.
explain?thestabiliser - Member
Like I said, you're naive and foolish
Especially true when you have experience of what happens to informants.(which in the locale(not the papers) it's still widely believed mrs mcconville was)
and a ****
thestabiliser - Memberand a ****
There's really no need for insults.
Personally, I believe it's highly suspect that the IRA would abduct a mother of 10 for no reason, and rather believe the story that she was caught, warned and the caught again(a mother of 10, struggling financially is an extremely easy target for the spooks).
Not that I agree with the actions of that, though, but i think the idea that a mother of 10 is abducted and dissappeared for no reason utterly ridiculous.
She was seen to help a dying soldier, she was then taken to a bingo hall and had the shit beaten out of her. SHe was then found wandering the streets by the army and returned home. She was abducted that evening. Whether otr not she had any previous contact with the intelligence services I don't know but an independant report said not.
Regardless of the reason that this mother was torn from her children's arms, beaten and murdered the fact remains that those responsible need brought to justice.
whatever the "reason" given it is not sufficeint to jsutify what they did
I think we all know it was not random so there was a "reason" but the reason appears to be wrong
Either way even if she was an informant the "punishment" was severe to put it mildly and to do it in front of her kids and leave 10 kids with no parent and threaten some of them afterwards is impossible to defend
Dont get me wrong many atrocities were committed by all sides but nothing about this episode is defendable NOTHING
I'm not defending it.Junkyard - lazarus is impossible to defend
BlindMelon - Member
those responsible need brought to justice.
Personally, I disagree, and not just in this case, or cases involving republicans. As mentioned, I think there needs to be an amnesty for the greater good. I don't believe dragging up cases from 20/30/40/50 years ago helps the ultimate goal of peace in O6(FWIW it believe a united Ireland should(and will) be achieved via the ballot box).
As i mentioned, I reckon this is just political posturing to create the illusion that some justice has been tried to be gotten, and ultimately a few years down the line there will be an amnesty.
There isn't an amnesty though, is there? So if there's reason to pursue a case PSNI would be failing if they didn't.
Maybe, but I don't really believe that's what's happening here.thestabiliser - Member
There isn't an amnesty though, is there? So if there's reason to pursue a case PSNI would be failing if they didn't.
Edit, I could easily be entirely wrong, I'm just an observer from afar. time will tell.
those responsible need brought to justice.
How many UK soldiers have been charged or questioned for their acts?
a united Ireland should(and will) be achieved via the ballot box
A day that I believe will bring violence back to the streets of Ulster and indeed the Republic of Ireland.
Maybe, depends how the transition is handled.sv - Member
a united Ireland should(and will) be achieved via the ballot box
A day that I belive will bring violence back to the streets of Ulster and indeed the Republic of Ireland.
It'll be some transition to avoid it! If violence worked for SF/IRA it can work for the PUL too.
How will this transistion work?
Health service, police service, civil service - will they exist as separate entities in 'the North'?
Currency?
Loyal Orders - when can they march freely in Dublin?
sv - Member
It'll be some transition to avoid it! If violence worked for SF/IRA it can work for the PUL too.How will this transistion work?
Health service, police service, civil service - will they exist as separate entities in 'the North'?
Currency?
Loyal Orders - when can they march freely in Dublin?
I'm am not getting involved in a 32 county thread that follows the same lines as the scottish independence thread! Enjoy! 
It'll happen because of the way the demographics are working out(nationalists/republicans are out breeding the loyalists/unionists), how that'll manifest itself in reality, who knows.
incidently what we are seeing now with Adams being arrested is part of a long term plan to placate unionists imo (that extreme republicans seem unable to comprehend).
How many UK soldiers have been charged or questioned for their acts?
Off the top of my head I can think of four British Army soldiers that were convicted of murder and imprisoned.
I also recall a rather significant public inquiry into bloody Sunday that led to further police inquiries, though it would appear without enough proof to charge or convict anyone with, and I can certainly think of one rather prominent republican spokesperson who vocally expressed an opinion that the police ought to continue their efforts to investigate and prosecute (these) historic crimes despite the difficulty of doing so...
apparently the PSNI are off to court to keep Adams in longer than the allowed time.
Fingers crossed 🙂
another 2 days granted
http://www.u.tv/News/PSNI-granted-48-more-hours-to-quiz-Adams/1220fd66-857a-4b5d-a665-0d0cc4092e5e
He should go on hunger strike or perhaps a dirty protest...
What wonderful humour. Did you learn that or did it just come naturally?
Who said it was humour? Would he be able to do what some of his comrades before him did?
Who said it was humour?
I get the distinct impression that might have been seosamh's point. I think you might find that he was being ironic.
Who said it was humour? Would he be able to do what some of his comrades before him did
Ordering cannon fodder to starve themselves to death while smearing themselves in faeces is one thing, doing it yourself? Nah...
Ordering cannon fodder to starve themselves to death while smearing themselves in faeces is one thing, doing it yourself? Nah...
There's the irony.
It might be, yes. If Jerry Adams was a coward unprepared to face death and Bobby Sands was "cannon fodder" who was forced against his will to join the IRA and then ordered, by Jerry Adams, to starve himself to death, then it could indeed be described as ironic.
However 5thElefant doesn't explain how he knows all this stuff, so it's difficult to tell.
And to be fair I reckon few people would accept the argument that Bobby Sands was forced to do stuff against his free will.