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And have about as much chance of winning a general election
I think a Corbyn led labour could win a general election..
But I also think that winning the next election shouldn't necessarily be the immediate goal..
That's like coming steaming out in a game of chess and just taking every piece that you can get your hands on, without caring if you're putting yourself in danger and losing a piece in return with each move..
I think getting a decent labour party together with some serious ambition should be the aim..
So what if the toffs win another election?
I'd much prefer to have a real choice when I vote, rather than toffs or toff lite and eternal bickering about petty minutae
FWIW i am also that sort of man but I am not career driven and work mainly with women I forget when i last had a male boss 25 years ago perhaps?? Not really an issue in my workplace as its an inclusive PC free for all - again no offence meant.
Honestly none taken. You and I are cut from the same cloth I think we are just perhaps dyed a different colour.
Racist 😉
eternal bickering about petty minutae
Party rules, sub-section 3, para 4.5 - meanwhile in the oft-quoted "real" world people are coming to come to terms with the reality of life post brexit
still when pressed by Evan Davies on his current priorities, Jezaa was able to assure doubters that the people of Burnley really do have Cuba high on their lists of concerns
toffs or toff lite
Phew, for a moment, I thought you said pleb or prole- and there would have been hell to play in that case
meanwhile in the oft-quoted "real" world people are coming to come to terms with the reality of life post brexit
Exactly.. I don't really want to see 'oooh, that might very nearly have been racist or sexist or mean if you squint.. why not argue about it forever while ignoring the real issues' type headlines in the press ever again
there would have been hell to play in that case
errr... I think we're technically obliged to 'bully' the kids that have nicked all the biscuits for themselves
Ah, the Wallasay defence!!
Actually bullying does seem to be something that the cuckoos excel at. So apt choice of words....
waffle and pish
The odeous fat kids have still got more than their fair share of the biscuits no matter how much you or they mewl and fret about giving them back..
Until they share them out fairly like they were told to by the teacher, I'm going to make them feel uncomfortable
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[i][b]"he intended to ring my father to discuss it with him and ask him to speak to me about it"[/i][/b]
That has got to be one of the funniest news related stories I've read in quite a while.
It's not only the ridiculous absurdity of "[i]I'm telling your dad[/i]" being offered as an example of "bullying", but the accuser doesn't even provide any evidence that Corbyn intended to phone his dad - we just have to take his word for it. And then the accuser fully admits that no phone call was ever made !
What a fantastic example of bullying..........no wonder the media are running with the story !
As David Graeber professor at the LSE says in his article about the political/establishment elite :
[i][b]"The real concern is not any justified fear among the Labour establishment of bullying and intimidation – the idea that the weak would bully the strong is absurd. It is that they fear being made truly accountable to those they represent".[/i][/b]
Here's the full article :
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/05/political-establishment-momentum-jeremy-corbyn ]The elites hate Momentum and the Corbynites - and I’ll tell you why [/url]
No word on why I'm in for a shock then Ernest?
Give us a clue? Go on....
GOurmet pies is my guess
binners - MemberWhat? Literally? With a cattle prod?
Care to elaborate comrade? Why am I in for a shock?
You were right first time - I meant literally. Every Momentum meeting has a cattle prod.
No word on why I'm in for a shock then Ernest?
He's not paying attention to the thread, remember.
Yunki how old are you? Not an ageist question just try to understand by what mechanism (political or barricades) you have witnessed that will allow us to wrestle wealth from the "old money" if you are assuming you can motivate sufficient people to support a truly left wing cause that would introduce some blanket wealth distribution tax then it might suddenly dawn on you that the majority of this country is actually quite well off- old school left wing politicsr requires a very unhappy majority - the Brexit vote said 48% were in the well off camp and out of the other 52% at least half are well off 1950s Tory based so you my friend haven't got a chance - oh and the reason for asking the question is I was born in 1963 so have worked and lived through each flavour of political life - and when Corbyn (who is an academic left winger and will never be anything else) can **** off as everytime he mentions Orgreave or some other element of the miners strike he drives another retired miner in the north of england into the arms of UKIP - people need work security and stability and left/right political slogans are worthless - you need to go and read the Audit of War by Corelli Barnett and then you may understand the real position of this country and why we are in the shite
I'm a decade younger than you and an anarchist by heart and I will shout at tories and the people that vote for them until the day I die as there is clearly absolutely nothing more constructive to do when discussing politics
I just want a little renumeration.
Obviously we can't get money back from the elite (see my post on the previous page) but it would be nice to see less bias against the working class in modern government
He's not paying attention to the thread, remember.
Well you obviously don't remember Flashheart. Let me remind you :
Ernie_lynch - MemberI am not following this thread in any detail
Posted 19 hours ago #
Although you do seem to remember that when I asked you [i]" Got anything constructive to say ?"[/i] you were surprisingly honest and answered :
CaptainFlashheart - MemberNo. Thanks for asking, though.
Posted 13 hours ago
Sticking to your guns and not saying anything constructive eh ? Good for you.
Oh and just for the record I have stood on the barricades (picket lines) in the miners strike so i seriously question anyone who chucks up left wing text book bollocks... and as the NUM will tell you those with the power (Tory/Police/Media) broke the strongest (in every sense of the word - you ask the Met coppers how pleasant it was at the sharp end) working class community this country ever had and if you think a bunch of placard waving lefty academics are going to worry the real power in this country dream on boy - you lot are not even in the game
wow - the attention meter is rising. Anything to do with the temperature?
I just want a little renumeration.
There is an easy answer to that one....
Anyway what good does shouting at people do?
if you think a bunch of placard waving lefty academics are going to worry the real power in this country dream on boy - you lot are not even in the game
no but their mates are in the nest - cuckoo
School me then old timer.. tell me how it is
what should I be doing to worry the real power?
There is an easy answer to that one....
Remuneration.
What do I win?
Stop shouting and do something positive for you, your family some poor sods who needs help - my soloution was to create a business that has 7 jobs all paying way above the average income for 35 hours a week and I will continue to do that in spite of the **** wits that want to turn this country into some left or right wing nirvana
ok
Wars are not won with one big victory it's always tactical wins that change stuff long term - the people in power are heartless, greedy self serving ****s by running a business that does not aspire to a multi million exit Strategy or demand 50 hour weeks I create a self supporting family unit - we all need to do more of this - create local sensible wealth...
surely though... a big vote for a fairer society will push the politicians to try to win votes by being fairer?
Binners, there's a more pressing element to your nightmare scenario. Boundary revision.
In order to retain their urban rotten boroughs, labour and lib dems have fought tooth and nail in both commons and HOL to block boundary revision. However, the potential that it creates to force reselection and replace the moderate sitting MPs with momentum placemen could be too much temptation for Corbyn, as such he may prevent labour peers from collaborating with lib dems to block it
And we know what boundary revision will only make it more impossible for labour to win an election
yI'm a decade younger than you and an anarchist by heartI just want a little renumeration.
Anarchist -> Remuneration to me implies violent theft. Now I am not suggesting its what you meant but its how I would interpret it. When I see and hear an agressive Momentum type activist I am 100% of the view that they wish to "redistribute" my hard earned money and assets to themselves. Under Blair I understood the Labour party was focused on growing the economy for the benefit of all with a reasonable amount taken in taxation to fund our welfare state.
As for wealth distribution to the "working class" what I would say is increasingly wealth is being earnt and created via intellectually orientated work. For "manual" work there is an almost unlimited and growing supply of very cheap labour. In such calculations people should also consider the value of such things as security, rule of law and health and welfare provision. The UK remains is one of the very best places in the world to live and work.
I found this study by the LSE interesting.
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Note that the only newspapers more neutral in their attitude towards Corbyn than the Daily Mail are the Independent, the Daily Mirror, and the Guardian.
The Daily Mail has been significantly more neutral in their attitude towards Corbyn than the Daily Telegraph. Personally I'm not surprised but some Daily Mail haters might be.
Anarchist -> Remuneration to me implies violent theft
Don't put ideas in my head!!
I found this study by the LSE interesting.
Seems absurdly positive.
[i]The Daily Mail has been significantly more neutral in their attitude towards Corbyn than the Daily Telegraph. Personally I'm not surprised but some Daily Mail haters might be.[/i]
I would suggest that the Mail decided quite quickly that Corbyn was no real threat to the Country and as such are ambivalent about him hanging around for a while.
I would suggest that the Mail decided quite quickly that Corbyn was no real threat to the Country and as such are ambivalent about him hanging around for a while.
So what does the Daily Telegraph know that the Daily Mail doesn't know ?
Remuneration.What do I win?
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So what does the Daily Telegraph know that the Daily Mail doesn't know ?
Difficult to say, other than they are morally offended by his politics and want to say so!
You don't think the Daily Telegraph agrees with David Cameron ?
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The truth is that the Daily Telegraph, a newspaper which I once had a lot of respect for, is now the gutter of journalism along with Sun, and is incapable of respecting its readership with neutral reporting.
In contrast the Daily Mail hasn't quite stooped so low in the gutter as the Daily Telegraph.
I know it's fashionable to hate the Daily Mail because of their reliance on homophobic racist bigots such as Richard Littlejohn to provide "clickbait" for them, but is you look beyond that they are not quite as bad as some morally superior Guardian readers like to portray them.
Who cares what Cameron thinks? Theres a new Sheriff in town.
Some good 'what if' writing here to make a few of you weep:
oldmanmtb - Member
... my soloution was to create a business that has 7 jobs all paying way above the average income for 35 hours a week
A genuine good for you from me.
I really hope future Labour Party policy targets support to small businesses.
I was quite impressed with JC on Newsnight. I liked what he said about Burnley (ie stop patronising people from Burnley) I liked what he said about immigration (its good for the country but we need protections)
Liz Kendall was 'orrible on This Week:
PRESENTER "So what was your moment of the year?"
PORTILLO "Brexit of course, the biggest moment of the entire time I have been doing this show"
KENDALL "Yes Brexit er but also Corbyn bullying everyone" FFS!
SNP chappie put her in her place- called out her lies!
Yunki my lifetime had been littered with votes asking for a fairer world (including the Brexit vote) the trouble is human nature tends to fall in favour of greed and self preservation regardless of politics - even back in the day in trade union internal politics it was all about control and preserving trades incomes and position and the more strife and recession you subject humans to the more they start to look after number 1 - not saying this is my approach but I am still angry (deeply angry) about the stupidity of the old working class for voting to leave the one thing that actually affords them a little protection- give me some time and I will calm down then try and create a new job each year on my business going forward but it takes a big *ing heart to keep going - most people in my personal position would sell the house business and cash pensions and but a cheap house in the south of France and forget this island of idiots - but I am a stubborn * and will continue let's hope there are plenty like me
He does not speak about Jews the way you speak about Muslims though does he.
He turns a deliberate blind eye to the abuse even promoting one of those involved in the OULB anti-semitism. I fully anticipate the next Labour leader will seek to distance himself from this disgraceful behaviour.
On the 40,000 and "tense" it seems I am ahead of the news then 🙂
As Owen Smith has said Labour stand on the precipice, electoral obscurity beckons if they make the wrong choice. The "kids" in momentum either really don't get it or they just don't care. Hijack the Labour Party rather than build something themselves.
Very amusing assertion from Len McCluskey in the Guardian today - apparently it is MI5 agent provocateurs who are fomenting violence and abuse from within Momentum. Maybe they are also doing all the anti-semitism stuff as well.
The "kids" in momentum
So now the youthful makeup of Momentum is being criticised.......brilliant !
Actually my experience of Momentum meetings is that young people make up a significant but fairly small minority.
This is particularly encouraging as it is widely recognised that young people today feel disconnected with politics. Political meetings in recent times tend to be overwhelmingly packed with middle-aged/old people, I am sure this is as much true of the Conservative Party as it is of other parties.
And it precisely this youthful grassroots involvement by people who would otherwise be disengaged from politics which is threatening the status quo and which frightens the political elite so much.
The situation is particularly critical for the establishment/elite as they of course recognise the now very widespread public dissatisfaction with the political classes, and how little creditably they all have in the eyes of the electorate.
They really do fear being truly accountable to those they represent.
Never has the threat been greater and never has maintaining the status quo been more difficult.
Furthermore I have now been convinced, only in the last week actually, that they are doomed to failure. I had previously believed that if Corbyn fails to win the leadership all would be lost - the Blairites/New Labour/right-wingers/careerists would consolidate their power and guarantee that never again would they allow power to slip from their hands.
Not any more.
The Labour Party has changed. With over half a million members it now more than twice a large as it was last year. The 300,000 who have joined haven't joined so that the establishment/elite can carry on their old ways without interference. They have joined to have their say, to hold accountable those who purport to represent them but consider politics to be their own personal fiefdom.
I am reminded of the attempted Soviet coup of 1991 when the old guard just didn't get just how much things had changed - they were doomed to failure.
FWIW & IMO last 20k of TdF stage is going to be an epic - certainly more interesting than Corbyn / Labour leadership challenge for the next hour
He turns a deliberate blind eye to the abuse even promoting one of those involved in the OULB anti-semitism
Why do you see racism everywhere but in the mirror ?
One more time find a quote from corbyn that was as racist[ about anyone] as you have been on here
Its very bizarre that you accuse others of racism despite the fact their outburst are nothing compared to yours 😕
to the abuse
That will be the abuse which was found not to exist....
The Labour Party is not overrun by antisemitism, Islamophobia or other forms
And it precisely this youthful grassroots involvement by people who would otherwise be disengaged from politics which is threatening the status quo and which frightens the political elite so much.
I think this is spot on. It reminded me of something briefly in the news yesterday; a petition was handed to the police hoping to investigate Farage, UKIP and Leave.EU for inciting race crimes.
A UKIP spokesperson said;
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“If a generation of clicktivists want to wallow in their own outrage, that is their right. Fortunately, fair-minded people will see through their attempts to silence free speech.”[/i]
Any response was always going to be a fairly bland "free speech" argument, fair enough, but the fact that they specifically said "[i]a generation[/i]" instead of "group", "rabble" or something suggests to me that they are fully aware that the more younger people get involved in politics, the more the old establishment is going to change, and the best thing they can do is try to belittle any attempt in doing so.
@footflaps the Corbyn / Shakrabati cover up is going to be blown apart by the next leader. If that happens to be Owen Smith as soon as September its going to be very messy. He has made a point of bringing it up as a leadsrship contest issue already. As far as I am aware no one made any allegations of Islamaphobia in the Labour Party, Corbyn and Shakrabati introduced this element to further water down the anti-semitic elements of the "investigation". Corbyn supressed the publication of the actual specific abuse which tookmplace at OULB imo as it was too explosive and one of the indivudal as concerned he has promoted to a senior advisory poistion. Corbyn has been called back to the House Select Commitee as it transpires he mislead them (ie lied) when he answered a specific question about not meeting with an individual after he became aware he was a holocaust denier.
I have personally seen and heard those on the left be anti-semitic - it fits with their view of the Jews controlling the media, the banks, the US etc, ditto from those part of the Palestinian Solidarity Movemnet. The Jewish community is appalled at what has gone on under Corbyn as leader and in his role as part of Stop the War. I have heard this first hand.
Corbyn is well aware of all of this and does nothing at all to confront it, afew soundbytes is not action. To the contrary his bery deliberate comparison of Israel to [b]so called Islamic state[/b] was not a slip of the tongue but a very deliberate interjection at what was supposed to be an event to launch Chakrabati's report. He just can't help himself.
Corbyn is well aware of all of this and does nothing at all to confront it, afew soundbytes is not action. To the contrary his bery deliberate comparison of Israel to so called Islamic state was not a slip of the tongue but a very deliberate interjection at what was supposed to be an event to launch Chakrabati's report. He just can't help himself.
What amused me is that Chakrabati's report said that Labour should stop comparing Israel with the Nazis. 😆
The Labour Party has changed. With over half a million members it now more than twice a large as it was last year. The 300,000 who have joined haven't joined so that the establishment/elite can carry on their old ways without interference. They have joined to have their say, to hold accountable those who purport to represent them but consider politics to be their own personal fiefdom.
Really? Because 1% of the electorate joins the Labour Party you think you have a revolution?
Really? Because 1% of the electorate joins the Labour Party you think you have a revolution?
It says the party has changed, I don't think it's suggesting a revolt has occurred.
Do the new left have any understanding of what they are actually taking on? If they think they are going to change the world by removing the Blairites from labour and actually scare any of the political opposition they are sadly misguided. If you ever actually raise any type of genuine opposition then the combination of Tory/Murdoch/UKIP/Daily Mail etc will shut you like a door and buy your sad and sorry arses for a few quid - welcome to Brexit the Futures bright the Futures Right wing.
If you New left labour want to get an MP they will all need to move to one borough.
and we have all personally seen and heard folk on the right being racist but that does not mean everyone on the right is a racist only those who are right wing and say racist things. its not a coincidence that all the racist groups are right wing now is it. Even still I dont think just because someone is right wing they are a racist Probably because i am not stupid.I have personally seen and heard those on the left be anti-semitic
Only a moron or someone politically motivated would think that this statement is comparing ISrael to ISISTo the contrary his bery deliberate comparison of Israel to so called Islamic state was not a slip of the tongue but a very deliberate interjection
Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.”
Its says a Jew is not responsible if Israel does something bad and nor is a muslim when ISIS does. Only a racist would demonise an entire religion due to the actions of a minority that sort of person is you and not corbyn as demonstrated by your words on here.
Granted spinning the story like that will get traction in the tabloids but all it does here is make you look like you are "exaggerating" . Basically the argument is completely and utterly false and everyone knows it even you
AGain have you an example of him being as racist about anyone as you are about Muslims?
Only a moron or someone politically motivated would think that this statement is comparing ISrael to ISIS
It's exactly what he was doing and you know it. I bet it was a hands in the head moment for Chakrabati. Comedy genius.
an example of him being as racist about anyone as you are about Muslims?
We've already done this Junky - you can't be racist with comments aimed towards "muslims", its a religion, not a race. the law is very clear on this.
If you can't be arsed getting it right, then I can't see why Jamba should bother responding
jambalaya - MemberAs far as I am aware no one made any allegations of Islamaphobia in the Labour Party
The Rod Liddle, an associate editor of The Spectator, has been suspended from the Labour Party, after 37 years membership, for Islamophobia.
Mind you I don't know WTF he is doing in the Labour Party.
Quite apart from his long held anti-Muslim views he doesn't much like disabled people [i][b](being disabled is "incredibly fashionable", it brings government cash, you don't need to work – and you can even get a car parking badge)[/i][/b], has referred to Lee Rigby's murderers as [b]"black savages"[/b], thinks Stephan Lawrence's murderers didn't get a fair trial, doesn't much like gay people either [i][b](I would have thought that the requirement for amyl nitrate to relax the sphincter muscle and lube to accommodate entry was God's way of telling you that what you're about to do is unnatural and perverse)[/b][/i] and he ridicules transgender people.
I'm guessing he's not a Corbyn supporter and probably quite likes Tony Blair. I bit like you really.
I doubt that he is a one-off in the Labour Party.
It's exactly what he was doing and you know i
Oh dear we have an entrant - which category are you applying for ?
Only a moron or someone politically motivated would think that this statement is comparing ISrael to ISIS
Oh dear we have an entrant - which category are you applying for ?
Oh, no, I fell right into your cunning trap didn't I! Well done you.
We've already done this Junky - you can't be racist with comments aimed towards "muslims", its a religion, not a race. the law is very clear on this.
That'll be cultural racism as opposed to just a racist, then?
Glad that's sorted as cultural racists are much better than the old school biological racists (so 1970s see).
I think you'll find, with a bit of investigation, that UK law is anything but clear.
There is no logical way to argue your position so it was a "trap" only someone really daft would jump headfirst into again why did you do it?
Our American friends are no more responsible for the actions of lone people with guns than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.”
Damn i was just rude about Americans and compared them to ISIS
Our cycling friends are no more responsible for the actions of red light jumpers and pavement cyclers than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.”
Oh shit we are all like ISIS now
Sad face
I don't want to de-rail the thread (more than I have perhaps already). I read Shami's report and also Baroness Royal's summary, like her I was dissapointed publication of the full report was supressed. If anyone wants a specific reply I'll be happy to do so directly,
That'll be cultural racism as opposed to just a racist, then?
No, its not, http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/racist_and_religious_crime/#a04
I look forward to seeing Junky apologise to Jamba for accusing him of racism
ninfan - Memberyou can't be racist with comments aimed towards "muslims", its a religion, not a race. the law is very clear on this.
The law is now very clear that Islamophobia is no different to Antisemitism.
Which of course you, I, and everyone else, knows was precisely Junkyard's point.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/anti-muslim-hate-crimes-to-get-own-category-bringing-islamophobia-in-line-with-anti-semitism-a6691811.html ]Hate crimes aimed at Muslims to get own category, bringing Islamophobia in line with anti-Semitism[/url]
[i][b]"The move brings Islamophobia in line with anti-Semitic attacks targeting Jews, which have been recorded separately for some time"[/b][/i]
Ooh, a newspaper report saying they have created a section on a reporting form 🙄
CPS say otherwise
diddums
No, its not, http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/racist_and_religious_crime/#a04
Sikh is a race then?
I said that the law is fluid and not clear, that is the beauty of UK law and as Ernie points out.... Ooops.
diddums
One think that can be said about you ninfan you don't try to convince anyone through the persuasive power of your arguments. Which is probably very wise.
Islamophobia is now treated in the same way Antisemitism, see my link.
And which I repeat, you, I, and everyone else knows, was precisely Junkyard's point.
CPS say otherwise
CPS don't decide the meanings of words or the biology of race.
Diddums.
One think that can be said about you ninfan you don't try to convince anyone through the persuasive power of your arguments. Which is probably very wise.
Pretty sure he's not aiming to convince anyone - just to divert attention from jamba's shrill cries to a pointless discussion of precisely which hate-crime he's guilty of.
CPS don't decide the meanings of words or the biology of race.
No of course not. Which is why they use the term 'anti-Semitic' in its cultural and religious definition rather than its strict racial definition.
The average Jordanian or Palestinian has a far greater claim to being a Semite than the average Jew from New York or Golders Green.
It is however inconceivable that if a Jordanian or Palestinian was the victim of a hate crime it would be classed as anti-Semitic.
There are no racial differences between Semites from Jordan and Semites from Israel. Anti-Semitic refers to hatred of people from a certain cultural and religious background.
There is no logical way to argue your position so it was a "trap" only someone really daft would jump headfirst into again why did you do it?
Ah, I see. In that case. If you reply again on this thread you're an idiot.
I dare you.
Lolz
Which is worse Islamophobia or Anti-Semitism? Anyone want to say one is worse than the other?
I think Islamophobia might be a legitimate word in Scrabble?
Ah, I see. In that case. If you reply again on this thread you're an idiot.
I dare you.
As i said there is no logical way. There are lots of childish ways and lots of stupid ways and some moronic ways yet you managed to choose one that had all of them an yet made no real sense. Well done
You can hurl childish barbs around , I doubt you can stop yourself even if you try, but he still did not compare Israel to ISIS There is no credible case to be made for any other position hence why you went for that playground level taunt.
Yeah he did. 🙂
The Labour Party has changed. With over half a million members it now more than twice a large as it was last year. The 300,000 who have joined haven't joined so that the establishment/elite can carry on their old ways without interference. They have joined to have their say, to hold accountable those who purport to represent them but consider politics to be their own personal fiefdom.
I'm one of those 300,000 new members. I joined because Corbyn in ineffectual and i want a Labour party which can provide meaningful opposition and form an electable government.
My experience of MPs are my local ones: Catherine McKinnell and Chi Onwurah. I wouldn't describe them as elite or establishment, nor do they consider politics their personal fiefdom.
Plot to oust Brown in 2009 by the Blairites as reported by the telegraph...
but he still did not compare Israel to ISIS
He absolutely did. He said "so called Islamic state" thats the term many people use for IS / ISIS / ISIL and he made the direct comparison to Israel. His attempted defence is that he meant to say "so called Islamic states" ie a plural. But countries like Saudi or Iran aren't "so called". He knew what he was doing, he was being offensive deliberately. There would be no reason to compare Israel to Saudi Arabia in the context of a report into anti-semitism
There is a very unpleasant side to Corbyn, this is just one example.
As Corbyn has been attempting to make women's rights a central part of his campaign 45 (half) of Labours female MPs have written to him asking him to deal with specific sexist abuse of them by his supporters
They need to write (or call) the police. Are they expecting J.C to knock on doors trying to find out who threw the brick?
[quote=5thElefant ]Yeah he did.
At least someone is impressed by your playground antics.
NO HE DID NOT make a direct comparison what he said was that jews were no more responsible for Israel than Muslims are for ISIL. How Is that comparing the entities? It compares the diaspora not the entities. Anything else is not even sophist is just a failure to comprehend motivated by personal politics.He absolutely did. He said "so called Islamic state" thats the term many people use for IS / ISIS / ISIL and he made the direct comparison to Israel
Nor did he offer the defence that you no dount heard on sky news somewhere eh 🙄
When challenged over the apparent comparison to Isis, the Labour leader said “of course I’m not” drawing links between the two.“In the report it says that you shouldn’t say to somebody just because you’re Jewish you must have an opinion on Israel, just as much as you shouldn’t say to a Muslim that you must have an opinion on Isis,” Mr Corbyn added.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-labour-row-report-compares-israel-government-isis-islamic-states-a7110931.html
Link to the actual speech here You need to be RW. disingenuous and a bit dim to argue that he compared them to ISIS he is not even close.
You have now reached the point where you are criticising him for not doing something that there was no reason to do.This is very very funny 😆. There would be no reason to compare Israel to Saudi Arabia in the context of a report into anti-semitism
There is a very unpleasant side to Corbyn, this is just one example.
and yet still no example of him being as racist about any race as you have been about Islam.
I guess since you can't defend the indefensible, hiding behind semantics is all you can do. Bravo.
It was a crass, ill-wrought thing to say for a political leader - that is not in question. Direct from the Basil Fawlty school of politics. Launching an antisemitism report whilst thinking aloud '[i]the thing about Israel, they're just like ISIS really aren't they[/i]?' Satirists sent home with a cob on because how do you top that?NO HE DID NOT make a direct comparison what he said was that jews were no more responsible for Israel than Muslims are for ISIL. How Is that comparing the entities? It compares the diaspora not the entities. Anything else is not even sophist is just a failure to comprehend motivated by personal politics.Nor did he offer the defence that you no dount heard on sky news somewhere eh
Whether you think this is evidence of malevolence or stupidity depends on where you stand, obviously. But you cannot say with a straight face that this was a normal and good-intentioned sort of discourse that has been badly distorted by a hostile media. Everything gets reshaped on passing through that lens, but his remarks were pointlessly offensive to the very people he was meant to be making a connection with.
'the thing about Israel, they're just like ISIS really aren't they?'
Stupid thing to sav given the media attention he's getting but I'd say only those looking for an argument or to be offended took it like that.