Read your own link it answers your questions. Understand the issue he wrote about and you will see his judgement was proved right.
@crank of course I read the story and no the guy didn't skip bail but there is still a question of judgement in involving yourself at all with such a defendent
So you don't believe in the presumption of innocence and you would not stand up for someone's rights even if you knew they would honour the trust of the court.
Which was the stop the war case?
Fairly sure that he wasn't granted bail despite the (fairly standard from an MP) letter asking that the court consider bail. So a complete non story really. And as for questioning the 'judgment' of Corbyn; would you have him decide the chaps guilt or otherwise, with less facts than are available to a court, more quickly than a court? Sorry, I thought that was why we had courts. All he did was write a letter saying that he knew the family and they seemed like a good one (not disputed, even by the Torygraph) and that the court should probably consider bail within its legal framework. Which it did.
What would be the point of an MP writing a letter to the court, on behalf of anyone who comes through the door, asking the judge to consider bail, when the law already says that the judge has to consider bail?
"Dear judge, please uphold your oath by doing what the law says you have to do, and please only take into account those factors which the law says are relevant in the bail decision, without being influenced in any way by external pressures, such as letters from members of parliament asking you to grant bail. Yours sincerely, Jeremy Corbyn MP"
I would imagine it's the "I know the family, they seem nice" bit that is relevant. And reading the article, no one is disputing that the family [i]are[/i] nice. Unfortunately they seem to have spawned a bad egg/easily led egg/radicalised egg...
I do quite admire the indefatigability of one or two contributors to this thread. As the then MP for Glasgow Hillhead said to the Saddam Hussein lookalike.
The fact that the local MP knows the family and they are active in the community would be directly relevant to " community ties ' which is a factor the court is directed to consider particularly in relation to risk of failing to answer bail/attend for trial.
What would be the point of an MP writing a letter to the court, on behalf of anyone who comes through the door, asking the judge to consider bail, when the law already says that the judge has to consider bail?
But all the same they do...
Corbyn was told by a judge in another case where he was supporting bail applications (Stop the War related case) that he was attempting to "make violent criminals sound like peace protestors"
I note that that quote is a googlewhack ie on the whole internet, it appears only on this page. On past performance, I predict this is your paraphrasing that mangles the original meaning. But all the same...do you have a source for that?
Why do you abuse quotation marks so?
You can throw rocks if you like
Well no one can throw them like you do but when everyone is throwing them at you it might be time to reflect. It has become a badge of pride, rather than shame, that almost everyone on here is openly calling you a liar, your analytical skills risible and your "facts" BS.
IMHO you are just trolling as no one can be this dense and loose with the facts whilst saying how god damn brilliant they are
Press all the buttons and get the responses.
Junkyard - lazarus
You can throw rocks if you like
Well no one can throw them like you do but when everyone is throwing them at you it might be time to reflect. It has become a badge of pride, rather than shame, that almost everyone on here is openly calling you a liar, your analytical skills risible and your "facts" BS.
Ya, almost everyone is throwing rocks at Jambalaya but they all missed the target ... 😀
On target - Junkyard 0 : 98 Jambalaya
IMHO [b]you are just trolling[/b] as no one can be this dense and loose with the facts whilst saying how god damn brilliant they are
(Tannoy) Junkyard is playing his trump card again!
Junkyard is playing his trump card again! (Tannoy) 😯
Press all the buttons and get the responses.
Me! Me! Me! I pressed! I want responses! I want! 😆
(it's like a ghost town here with no response you know ...)
@kona, story was in yesterday's Telegraph. They've been searching through court records to see who else Corbyn's been vouching for. Headline came from judge's comments recorded in the court papers.
@crankboy, absolutely believe in our legal system and innocent before guilty. However, the court is more than capable of doing its job without interventions from MPs. People are remanded in custody all the time before hearings, that doesn't mean the court thinks they are guilty.
I look forward to you moaning about all the others who do as Corbyn has done, and with the same levels of vigour and bile, what with you liking to be even handed and not at all just a RW polemicistHowever, the court is more than capable of doing its job without interventions from MPs.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12046798/Jeremy-Corbyn-criticised-by-judge-for-making-violent-criminals-sound-like-peace-campaigners.html
So not supporting a bail application not a comment about a "stop the war" case and again Corbyn speaking up for someone he knew.
Do you not understand this is one of the ways courts work people who know things are asked to tell those things to the court so the court can make judgements about things be that flight risk or remorse. Your link does not infact even say that your quote was a specific critsism of Corbyn's contribution.
'Judge Peter Ader challenged the character references that made the accused “sound like peace campaigners” and Mr Corbyn conceded “they are not angels, I know”, adding that they had been involved in “appalling” crimes which he condemned"
@JY I had no idea MPs did this, equal criticism to all who make representations to courts on behalf of people they don't really know, [b]especially[/b] those on trial for defrauding pensioners out of money independent of whether its going to IS or not and those on trial for violent conduct at demonstrations
'Judge Peter Ader challenged the character references that made the accused “sound like peace campaigners” and Mr Corbyn conceded “they are not angels, I know”, adding that they had been involved in “appalling” crimes which he condemned"
Was jamby wrong then 😆
Of course not!
especially those on trial for defrauding pensioners out of money
I agree with you that it's inappropriate for MPs to be writing form letters for people they don't really know (but the judges won't give much weight to them). However it doesn't really make sense to say "especially" for people accused of nasty crimes because no-one gets tried for crimes that aren't nasty!
It's a question of judgement and whether JC actualiy looks into a case or personal history before writing such a letter,
ah I see, Jeremy Corbin should be a racist bigot and should have known he was a wrong' un from the colour of his skin, religion and background.
Corbyn tried to make a viokent person sound like a peace campaigner (Judges words above) including one who was on trial for throwing stuff at the police during a Stop the War protest (outside Israeli embassy fwiw). Hence my post, its really not that complicated.
Do we know any other MPs that have done similar re bail applications? I have equal levels of critism waiting for them.
@kona I used especialy as imo its obviously a very sensitive case and issue and hard to imagine it would come to trial without good evidence. Not all trials are equally nasty/serious.
ah I see, Jeremy Corbin should be a racist bigot and should have known he was a wrong' un from the colour of his skin, religion and background.
Absolutely nothing to with race or religion, he should have done some checks and then not gotten involved. It is about the alleged offense and nothing else,
Absolutely nothing to with race or religion, he should have done some checks and then not gotten involved. It is about the alleged offense and nothing else,
some checks eh, something like this perhaps ?
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It is about the alleged offense and nothing else,
You're lying again.
Re another MP doing the same their was a famous one who spoke up vociferously for a bloke facing criminal charges of torture and murder.
Jam read your own links he was talking on behalf of people he knew . Friend of one family another the friend of his son who had been a visitor to his home. Would you really respect him more if he turned his back in people he knew because it was politically inexpedient. Not even the Torygraph has suggested he did not know them or that he said anything untrue.
" obviously a very sensitive case and issue and hard to imagine it would come to trial without good evidence. Not all trials are equally nasty/serious." So back to your distaste for the presumption of innocence in English law.
So presumably jambalaya would reserve much more severe condemnation and accusations of lack of judgement towards a political figure who was, say, personal friend and public supporter of a mass-murdering dictator AND an incredibly prolific sex offender/necrophile?
Seeing as it's just about the alleged offence.
Makes what Jeremy Corbyn did seem very minor in comparison eh.
Corbyn tried to make a viokent person sound like a peace campaigner (Judges words above)
Thats not what it says at all and only an idiot would argue otherwise.
MP Jeremy Corbyn made a heartfelt appeal in court on Monday on behalf of a man involved in a gang feud which left one dead and another with brain damage.
The youth, Yahya Salah, 21, was a friend of Mr Corbyn’s eldest son, Ben, from the time they both attended Acland Burghley School in Tufnell Park.
The Islington North Labour MP told Wood Green Crown Court that, while he was appalled by the violence shown by Salah during a gang attack in 2005, the young man had been extremely remorseful and was desperately trying to make amends by working in the community.
Salah, despite convictions for handling stolen goods and numerous breaches of Asbos and court orders, had so impressed as a youth worker that he had become a role model for other teenagers, the MP said.
“I don’t defend the activities of gangs. I deplore it, because my community suffers from the activities of gangs,” Mr Corbyn said.
“The events of that time were appalling and have to be condemned. But [Salah] has managed to significantly change around his life. He has realised that the only way [to change] is to not engage in this pointless gang culture.”
Mr Corbyn said that as a teenager Salah had been a visitor to his house.
“They are not angels, I know,” he said, as Judge Peter Ader challenged the glowing character references that made the accused “sound like peace campaigners”.
Mr Corbyn added: “He has given a lot of time to community work with young Somali people and shown a high degree of contrition.”
Its really hard to reconcile what Corbyn is saying with the judges comments and the judge refers to them in the plural so , unless crankboy or someone can get the transcript, its hard to argue that corbyn was doing as you or the telegraph distortedly claimed
Its easy to never be wrong if you ignore the actual facts as you so admirably display.
@kona, story was in yesterday's Telegraph. They've been searching through court records to see who else Corbyn's been vouching for. Headline came from judge's comments recorded in the court papers.
Can I just point out that you are wrong here?
The Telegraph didn't get that from court records (not surprising as this stuff isn't usually recorded in a way that's easily searchable, if at all). They got it by rehashing an old report in the local newspaper. But all of that is written in the newspaper report that you said you read.
we won't need courts soon, we just get Jeremy to do a cursory glance over the case notes and pronounce judgement.
That comment doesn't make even make sense.
Searching through court records sounds a bit too much like actual journalism for the Telegraph these days.
Can I just point out that you are wrong here?
The Telegraph didn't get that from court records (not surprising as this stuff isn't usually recorded in a way that's easily searchable, if at all). They got it by rehashing an old report in the local newspaper. But all of that is written in the newspaper report that you said you read.
You can and most of us will chortle but our resident never wrong - tbh it hard to find a thread or page where he is not spouting actual factual errors, amusingly often about his own links - not even JHJ reaches such heights.
The more I read jambalaya's posts the more I feel that I'm sitting here witnessing a Tory car crash in progress.
I feel there is less and less need for any input as I watch bemused at the unfolding crash.
Has jamba not been in with his latest report on the French regional elections? No? I presume he was expecting to spend the evening with a picture of Marine and a box of Kleenex but is having a disappointingly flaccid evening as the NF takes a pasting (according to exit polls anyway).
Those good old French. 1st round is always protest, 2nd round is more sensible - as night follows day - though if I'd been that excited by the NF's apparent success in the first round, I'd probably have forgotten that too.
Not that Sarkozy's success is anything to cheer about...
Not that Sarkozy's success is anything to cheer about...
It is not a great result for Sarkozy.
But but but.... jambalaya's married to a French person so he must be an expert on everything to do with France and French politics. What on earth is going on?
No mefty, it's not a great result. Though, I clearly did say it's a great result. I stand corrected. 🙂
I did not make myself clear, it is a bad result for Sarkozy, it seems less likely he will be the right's presidential candidate next year.
Watching the coverage in Paris as it happens. FN where subject of tactical voting with Socialists withdrawing in Calais and Provence and tellingntheir supporters to vote for Republicans. FN polled 30% nationally. As Le Pen said in her speech after the result the FN have had their best result ever and totally wradicated the left in a number of regions. Republicans (Sarkozy) have won 7 of 5 regions and this is after the socialists did all they could to create regions they would win. Ile-de-France (Paris) has voted Republican for the first time in 17 years and they still won despite 17% vote for FN. Normandy was a close win for Republicans overturning Socialst control last time, could have gone either way.
Walls (PM) speech made it clear the socialists would listen to the voters and review their policies in responce to public opinion, they have lost many voters to FN.
@mefty I think you are wrong on Sarkozy, I'll have a small sode bet on that if you want.
On a populist basis FN and UMP/Republicans niw have 60% of the vote
Offline now as re-watching Star Wars in Machete order (Chapeau to posters in that thread for suggestion) anead of next wekk
What on earth is going on?
OK jambalaya was wrong, but you can probably only count on the fingers of one hand how times he's been wrong today
Can I just point out that you are wrong here?
You must be mistaken!
Jamba going a bit officer crabtree over there?
Jamba going a bit officer crabtree over there?
Well he is frequently the subject of some [i]Good Moaning[/i]....
Anyone?
C'mon...
IGMC.
Jamba going a bit officer crabtree over there
Had to look that up, never watched it. At least you didn't say I'm the bar owner.
Back on Jeremy apparently he's going over to the EU meeting too, make a bit of trouble around the fringes - why not ?
At least you didn't say I'm the bar owner.
Why, what's wrong with Rene?
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EDIT : I've got it ........ he didn't willingly collaborate with the Nazis, in other words he was a left-wing terrorist sympathizer.