Forum menu
Looks like Wednesday's PMQs are being crowdsourced:
http://www.labour.org.uk/page/s/what-would-you-like-to-ask-david-cameron-
This way we could expose the media's bias and erode the public's trust in them (even more)
Studies have shown that, contrary to belief popular within "left" politics, what is printed in the likes of "The Sun" et al, have little or no influence on people's voting habits.
imo they need to quickly change they way they speak about economics.
The word 'anti-austerity' should be banned.
People voted for austerity, because it 'feels' like the morally right thing to do. In their heads anti-austerity translates as 'risk', 'recklessness', etc.
Labour need to call it what it is - not use the word austerity at all - rename it to something that doesn't sound quite as virtuous. Keep repeating who it serves.
Studies have shown that, contrary to belief popular within "left" politics, what is printed in the likes of "The Sun" et al, have little or no influence on people's voting habits.
I'd really like to see those studies (and who's behind them).
Studies have shown that, contrary to belief popular within "left" politics, what is printed in the likes of "The Sun" et al, have little or no influence on people's voting habits.
Sauce?
imo they need to quickly change they way they speak about economics.
The word 'anti-austerity' should be banned.
People voted for austerity, because it 'feels' like the morally right thing to do. In their heads anti-austerity translates as 'risk', 'recklessness', etc.
Agree 100pc. I'm sure saw or read somewhere that the Tories coined the phrase "Austerity" for exactly the connotations you describe. In fact it's bollocks - we're over-spending to a laughable degree yet voters love the term because it makes us all feel we're going through pain for the greater good.
Anti-popularist-popularism. 😀
Studies have shown that, contrary to belief popular within "left" politics, what is printed in the likes of "The Sun" et al, have little or no influence on people's voting habits.
Has the ring of truth. Many people buy papers which support their pre-conceived ideas. If the paper tells them something they don't agree with they change the paper not their opinion.
How that £93 billion figure was calculated is farcical and clearly couldn't just disappear. As much of it is their either for government to pay for support services or to help companies invest in the UK as opposed to elsewhere.
Corbyn's media control seems a bit amateur at present. It will be interesting to see how it plays out in the long term as apparently there is a internal battle between Corbyn's own PR team and the Labour party PR team. Fun, fun 😉
I see a repeat of the referendum but on a much larger scale where it turns into a battle between the conventional media (newsparers, TV, etc) and the new media (bloggers and such).
Conventional media won on judges decision in Scotland but it may not go the same way in the UK.
People voted for austerity, because it 'feels' like the morally right thing to do.
The Tories played on that, being very disingenuous in the process. They realised they could let people think that government finances were the same as.domestic finances, because they want to shrink the state, and that provided a way of getting people to accept cuts.
It's this kind of duplicitous shit that people are hoping Corbyn won't try to pull. It's why we think of normal politicians as scum, why we don't trust them, and why many people don't vote.
media bias...
People presenting stuff that you disagree with
Studies have shown that, contrary to belief popular within "left" politics, what is printed in the likes of "The Sun" et al, have little or no influence on people's voting habits.
It seems weird that politicians of the left and right alike in the UK, USA and Australia have spent the last thirty years fellating the Sun's owner in that case.
media bias...
People presenting stuff that you disagree with
45% disagreed with what they were presented with in Scotland.
Is that what you genuinely believe Mike?mikewsmith - Membermedia bias...
People presenting stuff that you disagree with
Have you seen the last two Sun covers?
One a complete lie and the other.. oh a complete lie!
[img]
[/img][img]
?w=225&h=300[/img]
so 55% agreed, bout the same as the result.
Even when it's the other way round, it still stinks:
[img] 
?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=28390edd71bc19de80ac7f052aeab075[/img]
the tabloids in general on both sides report/exaggerate/sensationalise, they are nothing but comics, I could go and find some good Mirror ones.
They are guilty of making a headline that makes the most from any one story, a logical conclusion from JC not seeing any scenario where he would commit UK forces could be extended that we don't need an army.
As pointed out they are generally a place people go for confirmation of their beliefs.
The Daily Record have no choice but to love Corbyn since he's the best chance for bringing Yes voters back into the Labour fold.
so 55% agreed, bout the same as the result.
Yes, that's the point I was making. 45% believed the new media, 55% believed the old media.
Yes, that's the point I was making. 45% believed the new media, 55% believed the old media.
The bigger question is who was reporting the facts more accurately. In a very very polarised debate what people believe may not be the facts or truth.
I don't see it as new v old media in those terms.
The old media is still creating the headlines, users of new media are more likely to see those headlines questioned and dissected.
print media self regulation is a joke
but digital is the wild west, im constantly having to smack down my sister in laws facebook posts from britain first-a-like 'news' sites
print media self regulation is a joke
but digital is the wild west, im constantly having to smack down my sister in laws facebook posts from britain first-a-like 'news' sites
This.
Papers are utter nonsense, broadcast media is a bit better. But new media is significantly worse than either.
Media coverage very poor and sensationalist - the Dirty Digger has laid out his cards clearly in both rags. "Kerching" for Jezza's media team who will have their hands full. Hire the same bloke as Salmond & Co - masterful spinning and positioning.
+1 on "anti-austerity" almost as much of a misnomer as "conviction" politician
I've yet to hear anyone say that a media outlet is biased in favour of Corbyn (apart from the Daily Record although they're not so much pro-Corbyn as they are anti-SNP).
Plenty are saying the opposite. Suggests to me that there's a sizeable percentage of the population being presented with nothing but views they don't agree with.
Plenty are saying the opposite. Suggests to me that there's a sizeable percentage of the population being presented with nothing but views they don't agree with.
agree with vs truth? I don't give a shit if people agree with stuff, I care if the truth is being told.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34218294
Full of lies?
No, I don't think there is, Bruce. 😀
print media self regulation is a joke
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/new-regulator-leads-to-massive-improvement-in-press-behaviour-20150911101868 ]I think you'll find you're wrong[/url]
agree with vs truth? I don't give a shit if people agree with stuff, I care if the truth is being told.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34218294
Full of lies?
I have absolutely no idea if it's full of lies, gospel truth, or somewhere in between.
I used to trust the BBC but after the referendum I couldn't give a shit what happens to it. It completely abandoned the idea of impartial reporting.
There are no sources of news that I trust. All you can do is read as many differing sources as possible (including the ones you don't agree with) and try to figure out what's going on.
Was it always this way?
One thing that seems to get repeated a lot is that it was the new (joining since GE) and £3 voters who swung it to Corbyn.
But the figures show that if you ignore all votes from members joining Labour after 2010 the percentages would still have been:
Corbyn 44% Burnham 23% Cooper 23% Kendall 10%
One thing that seems to get repeated a lot is that it was the new (joining since GE) and £3 voters who swung it to Corbyn.
Have you seen that in *any* mainstream media since the numbers were announced? Cite if you have.
I used to trust the BBC but after the referendum I couldn't give a shit what happens to it. It completely abandoned the idea of impartial reporting.
I know what you mean Bruce. It was shocking. Salmond was able to get away with ideas that currency = assets, that you could realistically have no lender of last resort; Eu shenanigans etc with barely a comment from dear old Auntie. Awful wasn't it!
But mikewsmith - nailed it really 😉 and as noted recently the canny folk of Scotland saw through the whole currency debacle fortunately. No wonder they have such a strong asset mgt industry!
Now for austerity etc.....
media bias...
People presenting stuff that you disagree with
+1
Seems that Corbyn managed to forget the words to the National Anthem today, so decided to stay silent 🙄 Even some of his own support don't seem impressed.
*If* he's really got a way of making us all well off by taxing high earners without chasing them abroad whilst printing money without causing significant inflation or significantly increasing the interest we have to pay our creditors then I really don't care if he sings the national anthem or not.
EDIT: Good point made below. On reflection, I don't GAF either way. It seems far more likely that he's anti-monarchy than anti-Britain, and that seems a fair enough position to take.
[s]*If* he's really got a way of making us all well off by taxing high earners without chasing them abroad whilst printing money without causing significant inflation or significantly increasing the interest we have to pay our creditors then [/s]I really don't care if he sings the national anthem or not.
the national anthem eh?
is that the one that goes 'God save our gracious queen'....
maybe he really just thinks that someone whos primary residence has 250 bedrooms while the rest of the country grapples with a social housing crisis is an insult to decency
and he doesnt believe in some silly bearded sky fairy nonsense
in which case - High 5 from me Corbs!!!
Well if we insist on having an anthem like "God Save the Queen" you are asking for trouble. And asking a leader of the opposition who knows and speaks his mind to mouth that crap is never going to happen.
I reckon he'll be gone in under a year. Not forced out via a coup but he'll quit due to the scrutiny/aggro he'll be receiving. He seems to have a short fuse and I think he'll find it all too much.
Just my hunch.
Seems that Corbyn managed to forget the words to the National Anthem today
I'm sure he knows the words - that's why he didn't sing them. It really should be renamed the Queen's Anthem as there's no mention of the British Nation or the British people in it.
I'm beginning to like Corbyn.
I reckon he'll be gone in under a year. Not forced out via a coup but he'll quit due to the scrutiny/aggro he'll be receiving. He seems to have a short fuse and I think he'll find it all too much. Just my hunch.
Mine too. He's no spring chicken. He's newly married. His oppo felt he wasn't fit/young enough for the leadership race let alone the chancellor job. They never expected to win. They can't deliver on promises they never expected to have to fullfil. Who the hell wants to spend from 66 to 75 in the non-stop cauldron of high level politics in the 24 hour media age.
They'll pick one of the many compromises of principle they'll need to make and resign over it.
The only reason not to would be the disappointment/anger of their supporters.
media bias...
People presenting stuff that you disagree with
In this country we have the mirror and guardian who are left wing/liberal - vs the daily express, the daily mail, the times, the telegraph, the sun, the star - all right wing, mostly rabidly so. That clearly doesn't just reflect existing public opinion, as if it did we would always have a massive Tory majority. It reflects the fact that the media is largely owned by oligarchs who's papers reflect their own self interest.
The supposedly lefty BBC has now been sufficiently cowed/bullied that they generally just tow the government party line.
Claiming there isn't a general right wing media bias is laughable, frankly.
TBH I don't care much about 'God Save the Queen' but it does show clearly his mindset which seems stuck in 6th Form politics of protest. If he was smart he'd play the game, get in power then he could change it.
I'm with you [b]allthepies[/b] I think he is going to absolutely hate being in the media spotlight 24/7 and if you hit the right buttons he clearly does have a short fuse. I may not be a fan butt for his sake I hope being leader doesn't ruin his health long term.
TBH I don't care much about 'God Save the Queen' but it does show clearly his mindset which seems stuck in 6th Form politics of protest. If he was smart he'd play the game, get in power then he could change it.
What you and many others fail to grasp is that the reason he is popular is for not 'playing the game'. It's not about 6th form politics of protest it's about acting according to your principles. I wouldn't sing that monarchist dirge either.
I may not be a fan butt for his sake
😯
I read that New Yorker article up to this point :
[i]"Kendall, an instinctive modernizer, and thus the person whom the Tories would most have feared at the ballot box, scored four and a half per cent"[/i]
It was a well written article but the suggestion that out of the 4 candidate Liz Kendall was the one that the Tories feared most is ridiculous beyond absurd.
Every man and his dog, plus of course the entire Tory Party, knew that out of the 4 candidates Liz Kendall was by far the least likely to be the next Labour Prime Minister.
Which is of course precisely why she got a derisory and let's be honest hugely embarrassing 4.5% of the vote.
It's nice to read a well written article but unless you want fiction I can't see the point of bothering if it strays so comprehensively from the truth.