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There are other ways to measure the popularity of policies. Obviously.
You're right. Opinion polls are a good guide.
Success?
Most popular in the common room
It's telling that you disparage both young and old people in your attacks on Corbyn and his supporters. Drearily predictable from a conservative, middle aged reactionary.
The “...Ramsbottom...” line will be along soon.
Emily Thornberry...WTF?! Horrific.
I'm always a floating voter and would do anything to get the Tories out and stop Brexit at this time. But if the current clusterf*ck of a situation is the problem, I don't think Corbyn is the answer. A divided party, not far from a cult, and he is wanting to leave anyway. Lib Dems all the way this time. And fingers crossed.
The “…Ramsbottom…” line will be along soon.
I hear the organic deli sells excellent gammon.
First time in my life I’ve ever been accused of being ‘conservative’.
I’m quite enjoying the novelty
Best start wearing tweed, grouse shooting, change my Guardian subscription to the Torygraph and start writing them letters in green ink
Sir...
In response to your frightful article disparaging the marvellous Mr Johnson..
Comedy gold this morning on the Today programme, (between 7.15 anf 8 iirc). A female Labour MP was extolling the benefits of their brexit stance. Remainers should vote for them, as they will definitely get a referendum to stay. Those who want a referendum will get one, and those who want to leave have the best chance of leaving if they vote Labour, as they are the only party who can negotiate a deal for us to leave.
And she wasnt being sarcastic, she believed it.
I hear the organic deli sells excellent gammon.
None of those near you in Bristol?
Alan, as seen elsewhere:
The forthcoming General Election will give the British electorate a clear choice.
Conservatives -Out
Lib Dems- In
Brexit Party- Out
Green Party- In
Labour- Potato
None of those near you in Bristol?
Gammons? Quite a few, I expect.
Organic, free-range, fair-trade, soil association approved potato I hope Flashy?
We’re changing the world, one spud at a time, comrade
Gammons? Quite a few, I expect.
I wouldn’t have thought that, but there you go, I’ll have to take your word for it. I reckon there are more in Ramsbottom though myself.
But anyway, how about delis? I’ve only got one near me, but it’s up for sale.
But anyway, how about delis? I’ve only got one near me, but it’s up for sale.
Loads in Bristol, as you know. Why do you ask?
I know its a Lancashire milltown but all we need is 137 more vegans and we can apply for Jeremy to forsake Islington and be our MP
He’d Love it here. We’ve got hummus and everything. I’m not 100% sure that it’s organic, but, you know... we all have to sometimes compromise our strongly held beliefs
It’s all about priorities
Anyway, what are people’s thoughts on what will happen in parliament over the next few days. I assume there’s no order of business etc., so what happens next, once they’re all back at school tomorrow?
I’m all for them letting Johnson swing in the wind for another month and a half and be compelled to seek an extension if he doesn’t resign - but will Labour go for a VONC now?
(May not be the right thread for this question but I guess a lot will depend on what JC and his team fancy...)
He’d Love it here.
It’s lovely - nearly as nice as some neighbourhoods in Bristol. There is one massive bell-end living there that would put me off though.
There are millions of us in this country crying out for both.
And your suggestions... Such as Jess Phillips who didn't even attend conference probably because she was busy with the Sunday Times and her book. (Didn't like fannying around at the seaside apparently.)
Bravissimo - I’m specifically employed by the local populace to make sure we don’t make the Times list for the best place to live, again.
Keeps the southerners out 😉
Rone - perhaps Jess Phillips didn’t think it was worth attending as it’s just a cult meeting where the unions, 6th formers and PFJ rubber stamp what the beardy messiah says and sing songs to fuel his ego
And so it’s been.
Watching the true awfulness of it made you realise that plenty of the proper politicians stayed away because for very good reason... what’s the point
I’ll re-ask the same question I asked earlier of you true believers...
Do you think Labour has emerged out of their conference more credible than it went into it
Because to me it’s gone from drive by shooting to car crash
I’m all for them letting Johnson swing in the wind for another month and a half and be compelled to seek an extension if he doesn’t resign – but will Labour go for a VONC now?
Lets see what Binners thinks and whatever his prediction is we can rule it out given his rather pisspoor record.
More seriously. They will all remain cautious since if they VONC him they cant trust the proven liar not to try and get no deal through the gaps. So unless they have figured a way of ensuring that, which I doubt, it will be a case of letting him swing.
Alan, as seen elsewhere:
The forthcoming General Election will give the British electorate a clear choice.
Conservatives -Out
Lib Dems- In
Brexit Party- Out
Green Party- In
Labour- Potato
I hate to admit this but I laughed.
I just heard Jezza on the Today program, nearly crashed the car with suprise.
Credit where credit's due good call.
Sadly I missed the interview 'cos I'd arrived.
NO VONC until the risk of no deal is gone. Consistent line from Corbyn on this
This of course has the added political benefit of pushing Johnson into the position where he has had to fail in his main promise.
Just heard him on Today too. I nearly crashed the car.
I hope this marks a change in policy, and he's now actually engaging with the mainstream media, as he didn't come across too badly. He did say they wouldn't call a VONC until no deal is off the table.
He’d Love it here.
Given that I lived there for fifteen years, I reckon I have a pretty good handle on its merits.
Do you think Labour has emerged out of their conference more credible than it went into it
Absolutely no difference as only a few sad political geeks like us actually watch that sort of thing.
The forthcoming General Election will give the British electorate a clear choice.
Conservatives -Out
Lib Dems- In
Brexit Party- Out
Green Party- In
Labour- Potato
They won't, of course, commit to which kind of potato it might be and how it might be cooked but, be assured Comrades, it'll be a better potato than you'd get under the current dictator.
Absolutely no difference as only a few sad political geeks like us actually watch that sort of thing.
Agree. Very few people care. It is like the media stirring up the Tom Watson stuff the other day, the typical person couldn't care less about who the deputy is and what anyone maybe trying to do with that position.
They care about high level stuff and sound bites and don't look any further than that.
dictater surely
dictater surely
🙂
THis brings to mind a Tomwomble1987 Soviet joke....
One day in Soviet Russia, man hear knock on door.
Man ask “Who is?”
“Is potato man, I come around to give free potato”
Man is very excite and opens door.
Is not potato man, is NKVD.
They care about high level stuff and sound bites and don’t look any further than that.
Or course that is true. But it doesn’t answer Binners’ question. For those that only see summaries and 10 second clips on TV, what impression has the non political geek taken away from this conference? Will they consider Labour more credible or less? What does people chanting the leader’s name [because votes were won to push a decision on Brexit to after the next election] say to those already disinterested or disenchanted with Labour? And do headline statements on short working weeks and closing public schools make the party look ready to address people’s immediate concerns? Hopeful there will be a general election very soon… did this conference lay the groundwork for increasing Labour’s share of the vote in enough seats to “win” this year?
what impression has the non political geek taken away from this conference?
Almost none at all. The only thing the news reported were some headline soundbites of Corbyn's speech. And most people don't watch the news in any case. By the time the election campaign comes round the conference will be long forgotten. When it does start two things will happen, tv news will have to start reporting on labour's agenda, and people will watch it more. When that happens people will see a whole raft of policies that will benefit them, and as in 2017 they will see a leader who is not the communist ogre the newspapers and Binners try to make him out to be. You never know, just like in 2017, you might even see Binners singing his praises after the election.
Almost none at all.
I hope you are right.
That’s the best that can be hoped for.
they will see a leader who is not the communist ogre the newspapers and Binners try to make him out to be
Point of order there Daz: I have never said that he's a communist ogre as I don't believe he is
I have, however, repeatedly stated my belief that he's a blithering incompetent with both the political instincts and leadership qualities of a banana, who through his sheer ineptitude has doomed us to permanent Tory rule
You never know, just like in 2017, you might even see Binners singing his praises after the election.
Yeah, that was pretty funny.
I have never said that he’s a communist ogre
🙂
You're joking right?
Corbyn explaining how the UK under Labour will adopt Indian standards for intellectual property rights. Why wasn’t he asked how Germany, France and most other EU countries already prescribe the drugs that the NHS seemingly can’t afford?
It won’t matter after we’ve left EU, as the UK will be a third wave country when it comes to new drug submissions. US/EU/JPN are first wave if you wondered.
I’ve tried to get to the bottom of the “publicly owned generic drugs manufacturer” policy, but can’t work out how it would actually work, or its knock on effects. Have you? Get us all up to speed if you have… pretty please…
There is two different aspects to this
Once drugs are out of patent anyone can make them. Some drugs are able to be made as generics as they are out of patent but are not done by the commercial generic makers so a state run generic manufacturer could make them with a potential saving.
The second point as I understand it is that some drugs are still in patent, have been developed with state aid but then are sold at massive profit. Corbyn wants to be able to make those drugs generically.
My guess is that when state money is used to develop drugs then Corbyn wants the state to retain the patent - so the company that develops it can still make profit from non UK sales but not from UK sales
More detail is needed on this tho for sure. I cannot see how he can suggest breaking patent
thats what I took from the speech.
The bit thats missing from this is that community pharmacies need to be able to use " generic substitution"
All doctors are supposed to use generic names when prescribing. for 99% of drugs the generic is identical in all ways. ( there are some exclusions around absorbtion and delivery rates ie nifedipine)
Hospital pharmacies use generic substitution so if a hospital doctor writes Valium on the prescription the hospital pharmacist does not have to dispense valium but the cheapest genric diazepam ( the same drug). However community pharmacists cannot do this so if a GP writes a script for valium then the pharmacist has to dispense Valium not the much cheaper generic version.
Overall the NHS actually does a pretty good job on this. The NHS negotiates a wholesale price for drugs and this is often much lower than the open market price for the same drug. there are exceptions. some drugs cost a US patient 100x as much as it cost the NHS. Of course this is something the US want to stop.
Finally India and other countries do not break international patent law on this. They have a legal exemption that allows them to produce generic versions of patented drugs in a limited number of cases for home use only