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whipped his MP’s to vote for triggering Article 50
Worryingly that's the last input that i recall from Jezza on the whole EU subject.
The time for their stated 'constructive ambiguity' is long gone. It was over the day after the election. Now the Labour party has to get off the bloody fence and say what it wants from Brexit
Unfortunately I can see Jezzas position, for very different reasons, ultimately being pretty much the same as Boris and chums. Hence being happy to sit back and let them get on with it.
The only person talking any sense in the labour Party at the moment is Yvette Cooper, but as Jezzas supporters will no doubt delight in pointing out, she was roundly defeated by the chosen one, so we can discount her 'Blairite' opinions
IIRC, The Absolute Boy is still coming third in the two horse "who would make the best PM" polls.
And, on polls, how Labour aren't off in the distance with a lead given what they're up against...
Jezza is instinctively anti-EU
Corbyn has wisely remained in the background on these issues because he knows that if he were to lead it tory remainers would fall back into line behind May
He is remaining in the background as he and McDonnell want a hard brexit but if he comes out and makes that plain the labour level of support will drop significantly - there was an article in the papers the other day that reckoned it would drop from something like 43% to 30% if people thought he was for a hard brexit (or maybe that was figures for the young vote).
Ah the Jezza is anti EU must be the reason for everything blah blah blah while sweet old TM is pro EU and delivering a dogs breakfast brexit...
Perhaps he knows that a hard brexit is unacceptable to most people and has therefore decided not to pursue one ie delivering what people want.
I'd have more sympathy with the 'he's been a lifelong anti-EU campaigner' view if it wasn't for the fact that the vast majority of young labour voters who form his base are vehemently pro-EU, and he's far more pragmatic than people think. He's much more of a Kinnock than a Derek Hatton, despite what the tabloids would have us believe.
Perhaps he knows that a hard brexit is unacceptable to most people and has therefore decided not to pursue one
Again... can anyone point to a single shred of evidence to support this assertion? I think that this is just wishful thinking on remainers behalf, and Jezza is happy to go along with that, as he's letting the Tory's take the flak for achieving exactly the destination he's (misguidedly) supported for decades... a hard Brexit.
He won't openly state this though, as his core support would immediately desert him. Hence the ongoing silence, and his constant theme at PMQ's where he'll do anything to steer clear of even engaging with the whole Brexit issue.
And as we know, other than PMQ's he's either at his allotment or busy continuing the internal war to deselect 'Blaire' MP's and continue the Momentum takeover of the party.
Its beyond belief that faced with the open goal that is the shambles of the Tory party, labour can;t even open up a lead in the polls. They should be 20 points clear FFS!!
'Pragmatic' is definitely the word that springs immediately to mind when i think of Jezza
Perhaps he knows that a hard brexit is unacceptable to most people and has therefore decided not to pursue one ie delivering what people want.
if that is the case then what is stopping him for making this clear and removing any doubt. Because it isn't the case.
if that is the case then what is stopping him for making this clear and removing any doubt.
Maybe the same sort of things that have stopped the tories making anything clear. Brexit s not party political so you cannot win.
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RW press baron attacks Corbyn as marxist spy - what we need now is definitely momentum portrayed as some powerful reaching group with a credible world domination agenda
The power and the poodle is more accurately them and their paymaster.
Well drawn and amusing though the cartoon is it wont be remembered as a great work of propaganda.
Its beyond belief that faced with the open goal that is the shambles of the Tory party, labour can;t even open up a lead in the polls. They should be 20 points clear FFS!!
They were 20 points behind before the last election. Now you're complaining that they're not 20 points ahead. If the last election proved anything it's that polls are irrelevant. Given labour have the same variation in views across the party on the EU as the tories, I'd say they're doing an extremely good job on keeping a lid on their disagreements and presenting a uniting front. The tories could only dream of the same level of unity right now. And Labour don't need to do anything with the open goal, the tories are doing a great job of scoring own goals.
I think Binners is hoping for a great and true leader. Good luck, they don't come along very often. To get the landslide you're hoping for any Labour leader would have to be either a red Tory or a once in a century politician to overcome 40 years of dismantling society and get people to give a shit about each other again.
The tories could only dream of the same level of unity right now
there is no unity there is just silence they can do this because they are not in power
that said it is clear corbyn does not want to talk about it for two main reasons
1. he wants us out and keeping quiet/ being feeble in opposition achieves this
2. his personal view is at odds with the labour party MP's, the membership and momentum . he does not want to overplay his cards so being inept is his best [ to achieve his goals] choice.
labour is in as big a mess as the tory part over this hence why he cannot exploit their weaknesses to make gains in the polls. IMHO a truly anti Brexit opposition would be much more effective right now in terms of holding the PM to account. He is being incredibly weak
Wow even brexit-luvin tory fanboy Andrew Neil taking Steve Baker to task over the latest smear attempts on Corbyn from the right wing press thats been gleefully taken up by the Tories
https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/966290767668039681
Has the Absolute Boy really been out of the news for a whole month?
🤔
Apart from sacking Owen Smith for undermining his position, yeah... 🙄
It’s a busy time of year on the allotment
Gutted about the Owen Smith thing, Jeremy and I are clearly diametrically opposed on Brexit, which means I'll have to vote Lib Dem.
Lol, it's been an 'interesting' week for Corbyn and his Momentum lunatics....seems they're actually the party of holocaust denial and anti semitism now...what a delightful bunch.
Twitter has been highly amusing with the most swivel eyed of Momentum members rabidly defending the indefensible because....stuff...
....watching them flounder over Saint Jeremy and his party of racists is brilliant, seems you can be an absolute scumbag with your views on Jewish people as long as you promise gullible members of the electorate free stuff.
He's holed below the waterline...middle England won't vote for him the way they did for Blair.
👎....bye Jeremy, you always were a massive liability.
gullible members of the electorate
I expect the irony is totally lost on you.
aye the hatchet job, they realised marxist friend of terrorists had not worked, has indeed been a more successful bunch of lies than what was previously spread.
However the weirdest part of a this is how PC and right on the reverently right wing have suddenly found themself and suddenly embraced multiculturalism [ lets ignore the latest , in a long line of, tory muslim dog whistle campaigns and the racist vote leave tweet on this ]
We live in strange times when lies are more powerful than truth. Corbyn is many things but a racist is not one of them. Lies are becoming more potent than truths.
they realised marxist friend of terrorists had not worked
Not a single day in his life.
Aspirational to his worshippers.
Its better to reply with full sentences rather than phrases
HTH.
Corbyn is many things but a racist is not one of them.
That is clear to anyone who can think for themselves but guess all this racist, terrorist rubbish must work on some hard of thinking people (in fact 2 have just posted on this thread in last 30 minutes)
Summed up nicely, as always, by the Mash...
Corbyn is many things but a racist is not one of them. Lies are becoming more potent than truths.
The outraged left have spent years weaponising the same language they are now defending - they excelled in calling people racist and sexist for any incidental slip of the tongue, misguided quip or innocent comment - it’s quite nice to see them falling over their own feet in order to excuse Jesus and his apostles for the very ‘crimes’ they created.
The outraged left
Classic. 😂
Confirmation, not that it was needed, that the extremes of both sides of the political spectrum are full of intolerant asswipes
I've been on here long enough to know that already unfortunately.
humanity is full of them though.
Summed up nicely, as always, by the Mash…
Indeed that nailed it those happy to pay the race card for political gain are indeed here playing the race card for political gain despite not actually giving a shit about equality or racism.
It gets better...eddie izzard takes a position on the NEC...the Labour party is eating itself 😂...it's Labours attempt at a Trump strategy!
well he is no farage or tommy robinson so its not surprising he does not float your boat
Does anyone know if Jezza has commented on Chelsea’s defensive frailties? It could all be part of a Zionist conspiracy?
I see he's taken a stance, a very strong and ethical stance, after the Cambridge Analytica story broke recently and has decided to delete his personal Facebook account.
The outraged left have spent years weaponising the same language they are now defending – they excelled in calling people racist and sexist for any incidental slip of the tongue, misguided quip or innocent comment
Yeah you really don't get it.
We have a foreign minister who actually referred to Africans as 'grinning picanninies with watermelon smiles' but apparently Labour has a problem with racism, hmmm....
If they had to give him a top job WTF made them choose diplomacy? He is so prone to racist mishaps one starts to question the actua reason for them. IMHO he is an old school colonial whose polite veneer slips into outright racism.
Does anyone know if Jezza has commented on Chelsea’s defensive frailties? It could all be part of a Zionist conspiracy?
IT has all the ingredient a russian bloke owner , so a commie probably, with a jewish sounding name so either anti semite or communist can work in the BS news spin
Thank god the Cpt is here with his one show/fox news levels of insight. What aspect of the ethical stance of the govt , to this issue, left you most tumescent with pride? The doing **** all bit ?
Its such an obvious bogus attack on corbyn that it would be funny if too many folk had not bought it. Its an absolute disgrace the way corbyn is attacked and demonised. Friend of terrorists did't stick, Marxist didn't stick so this is simply the next establishment attack on him 'cos they are terrified of him and the right wingers in the labour party follow like sheep.
One one word comment from 5 years ago - thats all they have but boy have the establishment attacks been going in overtime and his haters in the labour party follow like sheep. They would rather be in opposition than in government with Corbyn
It a "have you stopped beating your wife yet" question
Just the same concerted effort to monster Corbyn we saw before the last election.
Im sure that the rapid labour membership expansion has included some arseholes. Corbyn & labour have their work cut out rooting them out. They need to get on top of it, it's not like theyret the tories, with their racist foreign secretary & dog whistle election campaigns.
In not convinced that this latest smear will make any more difference than when the Murdoch press paid that IRA fantasist to make some stuff up last time
It'll certainly do harm. And not just to Labour. Because as well as real concerns, every dog crying wolf and every hysterical headline reduces awareness and reaction to the real thing. Just as the last decade's overt islamophobia and other minority bashing has given racists and xenophobes of all straws more confidence to stand and be seen.
Antisemitism's on the rise here as it is elsewhere, as are many other isms, and while i can see why it's tempting for people to use it as a crude weapon to attack their opponents, it's shortsighted and stupid and self-harming. If current trends continue we could be looking at real trouble- and this won't just have desensitised people to it, it'll have alienated people who would have fought it. Because who do you look to, to oppose racism and religious hatred? The right? Aye, that'll work. This is when you build alliances and understanding, not attack your neighbours.
The one thing I will never understand is why so many people who rightly oppose antisemitism are so comfortable with other forms of xenophobia and intolerance. It's all literally the same thing. People transfer their hatred so easily, it's not that important who you hate. Not allowed to hate blacks? Well islam isn't a race so I'll hate muslims. Not allowed to hate gays? Well I'll hate trans people. Or gippos, or chavs, or jews, or lefties, or fatties, or cyclists.Or the rich, or the elites, it all adds up the same, just that some people have more defences than others.
Hate is literally all one big bucket of poison, unfussed about where it leaks, and wherever it spills it makes more. If you can keep it in the tank, it goes off- but it's oh so useful to use a little poison to win an argument, or an election... Carthago delenda est! Take back control! But oh! Now there's poison flooding around something I care about, how did that happen?
If you genuinely want to counter antisemitism, counter all racism, counter every damn ism you can. Or if you can't do that, at least stop adding to the bucket. Sermon over and if you didn't know it all already you're an idiot, but it's easy to know in the head, it's not so easy to know in the heart
Just as the last decade’s overt islamophobia and other minority bashing has given racists and xenophobes of all straws more confidence to stand and be seen.
An alternative view would be to point out that it was the very suppression and deliberate use of state powers to silence anyone who said anything perceived as being nasty about Multi-culturalism that fed far-right extremism. #ee the cancellation of the “edge of the city” documentary about grooming offences in Keighley and the subsequent failed prosecution of Nick Griffin as prime examples of this type of censorship, and look how the failure to discuss these things openly played out for the hundreds of young girls who were not listened to for fear of rocking the race boat.
Blimey Northwind, that is some cracking words rights there. I thought Trump had all the good words,