Jeremy Corbyn

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How about a picture instead?
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kimbers - Member

Not sure who that is ...

That is like comedy nobody is laughing. 🙄

You really need to make something funny even against someone you don't like.

You just need to be funny as I don't care who you portray but they better be funny.

The 3 blokes dancing is the best so far ...

How on earth do they do that ... (now trying to dance like them in front of mirror but I think my stomach is getting in the way ...) 😆

allthepies - Member

No, that's too trying so not that good.

Too creepy for me that. 😮

Rusty Spanner - Member
How about a picture instead?

Forget it ... that's the bloke from telly politic show.

(chewk there are no fun gifs of Maybot, shes just too unlampoonable)

Ex-MI5 bosses think corbs got a point

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and fallon digging himself in a hole

https://www.channel4.com/news/fallon-no-correlation-between-foreign-policy-and-this-appalling-act-of-terrorism

kimbers - Member
(chewk there are no fun gifs of Maybot, shes just too unlampoonable

Ex-MI5 bosses think corbs got a point

kimbers - Member
and fallon digging himself in a hole
> https://www.channel4.com/news/fallon-no-correlation-between-foreign-policy-and-this-appalling-act-of-terrorism

I see you have referenced my favourite troll news Channel 4 ... 😆

Channel 4 is amongst the most sophisticated troll news Channel available, very sensationalise and very dramatic ... it's like watching soap. 😆

Although I like PM May and will vote for her

You really need to pay more attention.

No one is blaming anyone.

They are saying foreign policy is a contributory factor.

Given that the intelligence services and both main political parties seem to agree on the matter, I'd be interested in what respect people disagree with them.

if chewk says its a troll........

the use of the boris quote was amusing and the interviewer did a decent job of just repeating what corbyn said rather than accepting what the tories try to claim it means

Fallon is insufferable

Very enjoyable watching him squirm

kimbers - Member
if chewk says its a troll........

I am referring to Channel 4 news channel ...

Im aware

It was amusing watching fallon tie himself in knots, at the same time deeply depressing

he was just brazenly fibbing about what corbyn had actually said, not even vaguely ashamed when his bullshit was called

kimbers - Member

I am referring to Channel 4 news channel ...

It was amusing watching fallon tie himself in knots, at the same time deeply depressing

What words did they twist?

fallon twisted his own words there

His problems were 2fold

lieing about what corbs actually said

and trying to deny what is a pretty sound argument (that our wars in the middle east have had an effect om domestic terrorists)

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I almost thought you had a point to make there chewkw

More fool me

Rusty Spanner - Member
No one is blaming anyone.

It's not even like it's hidden or a conspiracy theory, the bullshit is there to see if you want to notice it. It's all done fairly openly.

Terrorism is just blowback on the general philosophy, imo.

So the solution, either we change and let the world diversify at it's own pace, or we hunker down continue as is in pursuit of some dollars/resources/or whatever and slowly turn more authoritarianism at home, over a long period(you better believe the "terrorists" view this as a multi generational war), the cheer leaders of that are very clear to see on this thread(I'm pretty certain, there's some members on here that get a wee chubby every time they see an armed police. Personally, my heart sinks.).

In short, people need to learn to share the planet, not dominate it and keep everything for themselves. No-one wants to recognise the fact that there are many legitimate grievances out there. Now before anyone jumps on that, that's is not an endorsement of any terrorist act, I condemn them, all. Just an acceptance of a sad reality.

I think the sad thing about this is there a polarisation going on, on many many levels in the world, it's not going to end well, technology will be an even greater leveller as the years pass..

It's a shite state of affairs. 🙁

I almost thought you had a point to make there chewkw

More fool me

I'm not sure chewkw has ever had a point. I thought the best we'd come up with was that he served as a useful warning to the future about the perils of AI in forum software

Lifer - Member
I almost thought you had a point to make there chewkw
More fool me

zokes - Still not a customer
I'm not sure chewkw has ever had a point. I thought the best we'd come up with was that he served as a useful warning to the future about the perils of AI in forum software

@kimbers we know you are convinced but Corbyn's remarks won't sit well with marginal voters or those who left Labour for UKIP in the North.

@kimbers we know you are convinced but Corbyn's remarks won't sit well with marginal voters or those who left Labour for UKIP in the North.

dont dissagree

I imagine that the tories will be pushing the fallon method of putting words in his mouth pretty hard over the next few days

its one reason I still reckon May will win, unless she manages to bungle something else in the next couple of weeks

meanwhile at the G7.......

pondering where it all went so wrong?
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the UK is in a bit of a bind really. shitbox little island so either needs to a) trade freely or b) impose imperial might by sending superior armed forces to take resources and create markets.

now the morons have made a) difficult with brexit all there is b).

historically b) has been the way forward, taking stuff from more primitive societies was hugely sucsessful (look at the built enviroment of any old buildings and infrastructure from before say 1950) and as such the need to be militaristic has become ingrained in the national identity. it doesn't really work anymore, as everyone else has a big enough stick to hurt.

saying the UK needs to act less like ****s overseas is not popular, but it is necessary

putting words in his mouth

Personally, I'd concentrate on those around him.

"Disband Mi5 and special police squads, disarm the police"

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Missed that page in the manifesto !

kimbers - Member
Missed that page in the manifesto !

Did you forget that we're only allowed to discuss previous views of the labour party, but never those of certain high-profile tories, e.g. brexit

And regardless of any of that BS ninfan et al., if May as Home Sec hadn't sacked 20,000 police officers, they wouldn't need 5,000 soldiers on the streets now. We can discuss the hypotheticals of past policy aspirations of some in the Labour Party if you want, but only if you apply the same lens to recent outcomes of policy that was put into place by the tory government.

Did you forget that we're only allowed to discuss previous views of the labour party, but never those of certain high-profile tories, e.g. brexit

Polls may be wrong (except when the 2-pt lead was being shouted about) but if you take a look at the headlines tories are in some sort of trouble. People are mostly immune to some of the stuff and it's almost easier to not bother looking at the times/telegraph/daily nazi as you know it's going to be the same crap over again. Their readership is falling, their influence in waining.

Todays example - Suicide Bomber may have used benefits to fund plot - Telegraph and the express is quoting temps in Fahrenheit as it keeps up the campain to return to the 50s

It's very important at these times not to look at any of the sensible policies in their manifesto in case you agree with any of them. It's best to keep dredging up the really old stuff and keep pinning that on him.

So true.

So many comments are based around sniping about Corbyn's history that you realise where the mindset of the Tory voter really is. Stuck bitterly in the past.

I think a lot them realise their party has pulled into a cul-de-sac and the only way out is to shout personal attacks at the people on the street.

@zokes in my view they are current views not previous, leopards and spots. Cosying up with terrorists and calling them friends is a typical lefty anti-establishment / anti-elite / anti-US stance. Ditto anti police / security services.

and all right wingers like cosying up to/arming right wing dictators, eg Saudi, Bahrain, pinochet, trump, Hopkins 🙄

May as Home Sec hadn't sacked 20,000 police officers, they wouldn't need 5,000 soldiers on the streets now.

Are you advicating a fully armed police?

Because otherwise those 20k coppers are as much use as a chocolate fireguard, because they weren't armed

Now, I'm all for that - in fact, we know now that one of those killed was an off duty policewoman, had she been permitted to carry off duty (as, for example PSNI officers are) then this attack may have been prevented. Add to that the previous attack in London, another unarmed copper killed.

So, let's go for it, a fully armed police, both on and off duty like in Northern Ireland. I'm happy with that.

Its not just the frontline officers (armed or not) that were cut so heavily under maybot & the tories

whilst we are doing hypotheticals
THe police had been notified of Abedis radiclaisation previously, had the police been better resourced maybe they could have acted on that information better

They already knew about him. All the tell tale signs were there, including the going abroad to fight in the jihad. He was a known wolf, not a lone wolf. What they couldnt do was lock him up based just on suspicion.

Personally, once again, I'm all for that, we did it in WW2.

Fully armed police and internment of known jihadiist fighters - seems like a good start, glad we have made progress here. It seems we've managed to come up with a far more concrete proposal than Jezza has so far.

@zokes in my view they are current views not previous

What they couldnt do was lock him up based just on suspicion.

Personally, once again, I'm all for that, we did it in WW2.

Fully armed police and internment of known jihadiist fighters - seems like a good start

more guns is definitely the answer! 🙄
besides how much would that cost? Rudd was cornered at the police fed this year for refusing to deny there would be more cuts to the police on the way

indefinite (you do mean indefinite or just until the war on terror is over?) internment of ex-fighters, whilst tempting is only going to create more resentment

Do you really want to live in a country where people are looked up without trial?

Do you want to like in a country where kids at a pop concert get blown up by people that the security services already knew about but couldn't lock up?

indefinite (you do mean indefinite or just until the war on terror is over?) internment of ex-fighters

I believe the Saudis have an excellent de-radicalisation programme: http://www.mei.edu/content/deradicalization-programs-saudi-arabia-case-study

Stuck bitterly in the past.

To be fair, Rone - I still find it easy to blame Maggie effing Thatcher for a lot of the problems the UK currently faces. You can trace [i]many[/i] things back to her with a bit of imagination..!

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Cosying up with terrorists and calling them friends is a typical lefty anti-establishment / anti-elite / anti-US stance. Ditto anti police / security services.

[i]Any[/i] political persuasion has it in it do to this - it's utterly idiotic to argue the this is the sole preserve of the left: it depends purely on which side is in charge, and which side is doing the pushing, [i]doesn't it[/i]?

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(I'm new here - but is this one of them there "Jambafacts"?)

I want to live in a country where moneycentric greedy pricks parasiting off the backs of the rest of us are consigned to the bin of history...