Jeremy Corbyn

you understand Labours support base then this isn't a surprise,

Indeed. Ordinary people are likely to vote for people who will stick up for them, however there are many ways to stick up for someone, and lots of different ordinary people aspiring to different ordinary things. Which is why poor people still vote tory.

molgrips +1 - I started writing something similar earlier, but decided I couldn't be bothered. Lots of working class people are just as self interested as rich people (I'm not singling anybody out, so are lots of middle class people) and the Tories might offer something which they think will make them better off (Thatcher was quite good at that for a subset of working class people).

vaguely back on topic and current, but his opponents are very carefully (desperately/tastlessly) exploiting his supposed link to a holocaust denier (attending the same event 6 years ago)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11811285/Leadership-battle-Party-begins-voting-today-live.html

one of Kendall's team just been on R4 saying "this does raise questions of how a future labour goverment would handle the middle east". No, it doesn't.

I can't hear stuff like that anymore without picturing the frantic spindoctoring shown in The Thick Of It.

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Makes you think doesn't it?

@BigBut you need to have a word with David Blunkett as he went on Radio 4 today repeating many things I'd already posted here. Stuff like Corbyn being unelectable, very good at opposing things especially his own Party, he also pointed out how popular where the Labour policies of the 80's with the party faithful but sadly not with the electorate. You are correct that your post was a waste of time and effort if your attention was to elicit a change from me.

EDIT, oh dear just seen @crash post something vaguely similar to the following whilst I've been typing

After Corbyn denied he had met the holocaust denier, the said individual rather unhelpfully for Corbyn posted a 1000 word blog today about the meetings he'd had with Corbyn at Westminster together with Hezbollah, made campaign speeches they'd made together and also standing by his statement that any British soldier in Iraq was a legitimate target.

Labour need to elect Corbyn so as to get a clear responce from the electorate to his politics, that's assuming he can actually hold on till 2020 which I very much doubt.

Go, Jeremy go.

Another day with quote after quote, critism after critism of Corbyn from his fellow Labour Party members. Total shambles.

Wow, so he didn't remember meeting some guy who said that British soldiers were legitimate targets in Iraq. Last time a check a foreign invasion/occupation force there due to victory in an illegal war is pretty much the definition of a legitimate target.

I'd be more concerned by a picture of him with Tony Blair.

The hypocrisy on display here is breathtaking.

Makes you think doesn't it?

Not really no. Not in the way you suggest anyway. If anything it makes me think that some people will stoop to whatever depths they think they need to in order to smear and discredit him. I'm neither surprised or shocked by it, and I bet he isn't either. The thing is that the more the war criminals and their supporters come out with this stuff, the more people can see the flagrant hypocrisy, and the more they will support him. They still don't get it.

Jamba has taken over the role of jhj - pretending that being in the same room as someone means you are locked in a conspiracy with them. But at least jhj is entertaining. Jamba is exceeding even his own standards of boringness.

Another day with quote after quote, critism after critism of Corbyn from his fellow Labour Party members. Total shambles.

And what did you expect his rivals and their supporters to do? Throw flowers?

Corbyn will be good for British internal politics by keeping in check the govt but beyond Britain he is weird. Not a PM quality. 😛

The hypocrisy on display [s]here[/s] is breathtaking.

Indeed it is as is the selective memory!!

Better not do the same at the dispatch box.

Good job Mobiot has also read the Fabian report. His "a party lost for 21 years in Blair's Bermuda triangulation" is stretching it a bit though 😉

The final para is closer to the mark though.

I love the Corbyn / SNP bring something new and fresh, yet look at the Guardian current front page and it turns out they are little different from the usual Lib,Lab,Tory lot of forgetfulness or lame excuses. Has no one learnt from the George Michael approach of just owning up and then the story loses traction.

crashtestmonkey - Member
...one of Kendall's team just been on R4 saying "this does raise questions of how a future labour goverment would handle the middle east". ...

Beats bombing them into hell like the last Labour lot did...

also standing by his statement that any British soldier in Iraq was a legitimate target.

Doesn't quite reach the base level of legitimising the targeting of innocent children in a disproportionate response to rockets though...which you've done time and time again. Does it?

😆 @ dazh

you need to have a word with David Blunkett as he went on Radio 4 today repeating many things I'd already posted here

Awesome, David Blunkett relies on you for his opinion-making does he? And there I was thinking thm's fantasies were the best

Charming

jambalaya - Member

standing by his statement that any British soldier in Iraq was a legitimate target.

In what way were they not? That's the thing about invading a country, you can't really complain when they're peeved about it.

It's a pretty weird thing to try to exploit tbh. Corbyn was in a room with a man who said something bloody obvious.

Has anybody told JC he can't use the Pound yet?

Do the other 3 have any policies apart from JC will ruin the Labour party?

Has anybody told JC he can't use the Pound yet?

😆

To be fair, when they just targeted us I could respect that. Then the sectarian violence started.

I think the Denarius would be of more use to him

IGMC

there I was thinking thm's fantasies were the best

I miss his lunches with MP's almost as much as he does.

Clearly British troops invading a country are a legitimate target for that countries people.
If France invades us it will be ok for us to shoot them as legitimate targets
Why is this Shocking to some people?
Are we meant to say the enemy cannot shoot at our troops when we invade?

Are we meant to say the enemy cannot shoot at our troops when we invade?

Taking the country into an illegal war was pretty stupid with the benefit of hindsight - but cozying upto holocaust deniers and terrorists who want to wipe nations and whole peoples off the face of the earth is just as stupid and shows similar levels of ineptness and clumsiness in international politics. When it comes to international politics it seems both old and new labour are just as dangerous and hopeless as each other. Criticising one whilst ignoring the other is hypocricy.

He was at a meeting with someone who had views he did not share*

This happens to us all and at work I call them team meetings here i call them STW group rides in private I call it xmas dinner 😉

Hardly news.

* and may not have had these views at the time he was there

You know that frothing right-wingers have lost the plot, and the argument, when they start throwing around the 'anti-Semitic friend of terrorists' bollocks.

Desperate right-wingers tried that across the pond with Barack Obama

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It didn't stop Obama becoming US president and winning 2 elections, I doubt it will be anymore successful in the UK were in common with the rest of Europe public opinion is notably more anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian than the US.

As has been pointed out many times you don't win elections by appealing to core support (they vote for you anyway), you win by appealing to the swing voters.

Another day with quote after quote, critism after critism of Corbyn from his fellow Labour Party members. Total shambles.

So if we take the logic of "Corbyn was at a meeting which x also attended therefore Corbyn supports x" and apply it here:-
1) I am on this thread so you are all Scottish Nationalists, doesn't that make you feel great.
2) I am on the same thread as THM and have therefore become world champion at Twister
3) I need to lose three stone so am off to post on one of the xc racing ninja threads.
4) When I need a new car simples just post on a driving god thread and off you go in your audi.
5) Can someone please start a coke and hookers thread.
6) For gods sake stay away from the Picolax,and especially the MUMSNET PENIS BEAKER

Another example of why Jeremy Corbyn looks so attractive as an alternative.

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chilcot-inquiry-leading-figures-in-british-political-establishment-accused-of-plotting-to-discredit-investigation-into-iraq-war-10462894.html ]The Establishment.[/url]

DrJ - Member
Jamba has taken over the role of jhj

It was only you posting this that made me realise they aren't the same person and those are two different usernames.

Another example of why Jeremy Corbyn looks so attractive as an alternative.

I can't see how, he wants to increase the state not reduce it.

Wobbliscot you are wrong
Here's why......

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Negotiating with terrorists is never going to be nice, but if it can lead to peace its worth it

I can't see how, he wants to increase the state not reduce it.

As far as I can tell, he's in favour of open government, membership-based policy and (although this IS an assumption, I grant you) against Royalty and the class system. ie: Our "Establishment".

No? I mean, yes?

Where's earnest?

dragon - Member

"Another example of why Jeremy Corbyn looks so attractive as an alternative"

I can't see how, he wants to increase the state not reduce it.

Did you bother reading Woppit's link?

Even if you have a Republican Tea Party type fetish about a "small state" (gov spending increase significantly under Thatcher btw) how does that undermine the suggestion that many people find Corbyn's commitment to expose the truth about the Iraq war attractive?

I think it's a good example of why many people find Corbyn an attractive alternative, they certainly won't get that level of commitment to get to the truth from someone like Liz Kendall.

In what way were they not

Because the vast majority of the population sucfered terribly at the hands of Sadam

Just as well we sorted all that out then. Jolly good. No innocent civilians losing their lives anymore (not that that ever bothered you...unless their only crime was bulldozing the homes of others).

@chubby I was taking the mickey out of @BigBut's comments earlier in the thread

@DrJ who exactly in the shadow cabinet / parliamentary labour party is actually speaking up for Corbyn ? It seems to me its just a wall of "he can't win an election" criticism.

I predicted he won't last 3 years if he wins, obviously that includes all the much shorter scenarios

Authenticity (sic) backed by the Dirty Digger - the Establishment circles in 😉

Authenticity (sic) backed by the Dirty Digger - the Establishment circles in

jambalaya - Member

It seems to me its just a wall of "he can't win an election" criticism.

And of course the blairite clones who are making the most noise are backing this woman to be the next Labour prime Minister !

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A woman who has no experience, no policies, no talent, no support in the Labour Party, and no ability to offer a convincing argument or any sort of inspiration.

Every man and his dog knows that Liz Kendall stands zero chance of being the next Labour Prime Minister, and yet Tony Blair and his cronies are backing her !

The wall of "he can't win an election" criticism from the blairite hard-right isn't because they are panicking at the thought of Labour losing the next election - why would they even care? But because they are panicking at the thought that Corbyn might win the next general election.

Nothing could possibly undermine the blairite hard-right more than Corbyn winning the next general election, the thought absolutely terrifies them.

It would nail once and for all the Blair myth that Labour's only chance is to ape the Tories, if Scotland May 2015 hasn't.

I think he means that [s]satan[/s] Rupert Murdoch is now backing him

which immediately makes me think hes probably bad for the country!

@chubby I was taking the mickey out of @BigBut's comments earlier in the thread