Jeremy Corbyn

"Not too obvious? Apart from the bit where he went AWOL for the whole EU referendum campaign, called ffor article 50 to be triggered immediately, on the morning of the result, and pretty much everything he's done since?
How much more obvious would you like it to be?"

He's convinced THM.

Ok - so lets agree he is more of a leaver. What would you expect him to do now. He is a man who follows his convictions to the end isnt he?

"OK - so lets agree he is more of a leaver. What would you expect him to do now. He is a man who follows his convictions to the end isnt he?"

I'd expect him to do what he's doing. Full steam towards Brexit whilst whining a bit.

@thm...Can you point out where I said it wasn't a legimitate vote? Just because there's a popular phrase trying to legitimise making up facts ,doesn't mean you have to do it too. 🙄

No why, whats that got to do with the price of milk?

and we (remainers) did a really crap job at selling a very simple story. So we are all to blame.

Don't agree. Remain were telling people what would happen but they didn't want to know (helped by the largely leave media) as the anti-immigration angle was what appealed to a lot of people. You could hardly go for an anti-immigration stance when selling remain could you!

Obviously not.

But still doesnt take away the fact that our arguments lost - the anti-immigration issues was more powerful (despite being BS)

To his credit, Jezza is one of the few politicians who stands up for immigration although with the odd caveats to soothe the xenophobes within Lab

"You could hardly go for an anti-immigration stance when selling remain could you!"

Why not? Just say that *if* EU immigration slows, non-EU immigration will have to raise to meet the shortfall.

...and I'm not sure that Brexit is really going to slow EU immigration.

EU Immigration is the one thing absolutely guaranteed to be unaffected. The Tory parties financial backers demand a constant supply of cheap labour to keep wage costs down. And what they want, they get

The racist idiots who voted for this nonsense are about to realise how much they've been conned. Andrew Rawnsley wrote an interesting article in the Observer a few weeks ago saying a number of Tory MPs are seriously thinking that there will be riots on the streets when people belatedly realise that they'll get more of the stuff they voted against, and a lot less of what they'd previously taken for granted. Post Brexit

Perhaps that's what Jezza is doing? Playing the long game and letting them usher in the long awaited socialist revolution?

the labour party will never be forgiven for its betrayal/utter stupidity in waving it through, totally unopposed

Corbyn has been a lifelong Leaver - he the leader and he is driving the policy. As I have said on the other thread it's my firm belief the result will look increasingly good as the EU spirals downwards as we approach the 2020 GE.

Perhaps that's what Jezza is doing?

Jezza is doing what he's always done, which is to take the uncompromising moral view, which is that the EU is a neo-liberal capitalist club and as such we shouldn't be any part of it. He has a point, but the alternative is much worse.

Which the PLP and anyone with anything between their ears can see.

Be careful what you wish for. I don't know what he thinks this is going to usher in, but I know for sure it's going to improve anything for the working class he's meant to represent

Maybe it looks different at a Momentum meeting in Islington

Never mind though. Like TOTAL bragging rights in the common room. Like, totes **** the Blairites, yeah!!! BOOM! Oh........

which is to take the uncompromising moral view,

Ho hum ...

The chairman of the Community Security Trust (organisation which tracks anti-Semitic incidents) said in front of the new Met Police Chief and Tom Watson the following

"I don’t doubt that the Labour leader opposes anti-Semitism when it comes from Nazis but when it comes dressed up as anti-Zionism he is more likely to ask if he can join in. This is far more subversive than the danger posed by Nazis.”

My thoughts entirely.

My thoughts entirely.

I'm not sure I'd dignify the random firing of neurons with the term "thoughts".

Zionist organisation in conflating anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism shocker.

Community Security Trust - not even the Jewish Chronicle trusts (see what I did there?) them:

https://www.thejc.com/comment/columnists/our-unrepresentative-security-1.68486

When I did my tax return, it wasn't out by £40k.

I'd remember if I had another income that paid me £40k. I think any right minded person would. Even more so if they had an office of support staff and were very much in the public eye.

Imagine if they'd got last year's wrong as well! That wouldn't be possible, shirley!

My thoughts entirely.

Jesus. So now Jeremy Corbyn and his fellow socialists are worse than Hitler. 367 pages and nearly 13000 posts before the invoking of Godwin's law. Must be a record surely?

So CFH, I assume you enjoyed the

Soft Coup - JMcD...
Publish tax returns - JMcD on Marr (along with happy to take advice from Mandy and BLiar)...
Poor old Jezza's return back under scrutiny...

,,, Pattern!!!

With friends like John and Di, who needs enemies......

Meanwhile, Rebecca Long-Bailey is doing an AWFUL lot of public appearances, and lots of press releases. Especially for someone who's a bit of a nobody, really.

Almost as if she's lining up for something......

Every time I've heard her speak, however, she's been monumentally awful.

BBC reporting the tax return as "cock-up rather than conspiracy"

🙂

I guess conspiracy would require a bit more talent and attention to detail.

EDIT:

I can live with Rebecca being the great hope for the future of the labour party.

She was terrible again on Peston earlier - have man flu so watched a lot of TV and slept today - if it's between "Becky" and Angela Rayner then Labour are in depp, deep trouble.

Jess Phillips could be a giggle though - and Brummies are the salt of the earth 😉

What would Lady Bracknell say?

BBC reporting the tax return as "cock-up rather than conspiracy"

1 - Make silly gesture politics statement about publishing tax returns
2 - Await some serious scrutiny of the above
3 - Forget that you cocked up last time you tried this
4 - Try again anyway
5 - Cock up. AGAIN

Yeah, just a cock up. Surely there's someone in his cabal of overpaid bag carriers who could have said, "Er, Supreme Leader*, can I just....."

*[url= http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/revealed-jeremy-corbyn-seumas-milnes-nicknames/ ]Source[/url]

BBC reporting the tax return as "cock-up rather than conspiracy"

🙂 The gift that just keeps on giving

Same as last year then when he forgot his pensions, now this year he forgets £40k of income.

It will be ok as John McD will be along shortly to tell us about the media conspiracy and a soft (aka flaccid ?) coup. Oh and Shami says he's a nice man.

Zionist organisation

Lifer Zionism means a belief that the Jewish people have the right to self-determination, ie a state. This list of organisations that are Zionist thus starts with the United Nations and it's forerunner the League of Nations who created the first and only Jewish State.

To be fair, Boris thought £250K was chicken feed so this doesn't really matter.

CFH Rebecca has improve massively from when she was first appointed. I appreciate that may be hard to believe. Labour have no choice but to rotate the same faces as there are so few willing to serve in a front line role

But they are as lightweight as rice paper. And it's obvious.

[quote=jambalaya ]As I have said on the other thread it's my firm belief the result will look increasingly good as the EU spirals downwards as we approach the 2020 GE.

Remind me when you first predicted the demise of the EU within 3 years?

The gift that just keeps on giving

Same as last year then when he forgot his pensions, now this year he forgets £40k of income.

It will be ok as John McD will be along shortly to tell us about the media conspiracy and a soft (aka flaccid ?) coup. Oh and Shami says he's a nice man.

What's 40k between [s]friends[/s] comrades though. Who hasn't forgotten about such a sum when filing one's tax return.

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Funny innit. We all complain about career politicians, but then we get Trump and Corbyn to show us amateurs are, if anything, worse.

Slightly odd compariosn. Apart from being a TU rep, Jezza has essentlaiiy been a career politician all his working life.

"Apart from being a TU rep, Jezza has essentlaiiy been a career politician all his working life."

I take your point, but Corbyn's never been trusted with a ministerial job. I think that makes him an amateur feeling his way. But yeah, he's been a paid MP forever.

Meanwhile, Rebecca Long-Bailey is doing an AWFUL lot of public appearances, and lots of press releases. Especially for someone who's a bit of a nobody, really.

The definitive comment on her 'abilities' was voiced by Mrs Binners while watching her 'performance' on Question Time the other week...

"Who the **** is this muppet?!"

indeed. I suspect that they're the only two who are naive/stupid enough not to realise that being seen as a loyal Corbynite, with the electoral day of reckoning on the horizon, probably isn't the smartest move. The less clueless people are keeping silent and not touching the front bench with the proverbial barge pole

Slightly odd compariosn. Apart from being a TU rep, Jezza has essentlaiiy been a career politician all his working life.

Quite an achievement to spend 30 odd years doing one job, while watching people who were masters of the art, on both sides of the house, and yet still managing to be this totally inept and clueless at it.

indeed. I suspect that they're the only two who are naive/stupid enough not to realise that being seen as a loyal Corbynite, with the electoral day of reckoning on the horizon, probably isn't the smartest move.

Think of it as an IQ test:

Do you want to be, very publicly, a member of this confederacy of dunces ?

Yes/no ( please mark in black pen for no, green crayon for yes )

[i]What's 40k between friends comrades though. Who hasn't forgotten about such a sum when filing one's tax return. [/I]

Pretty much all PAYE, so it was on there - just not where we expected it.

But something did occur to me, because he's past retirement age he doesn't pay NI, so his net pay is higher then someone of working age.

LOL. So he earns 100k+, claims state pension and makes no NI contributions. At the same time he wants the rest of us to pay more into the system.

When the left wants "everyone to pay more tax":

It means everyone but them.

"Who the **** is this muppet?!"

It means everyone but them

Worth opening the thread for these two gems 🙂

@aracer there is only so long the eurozone / EU can keep kicking the can down the road / into the long grass. At least moremof the press (Guardain included) has started to discuss the issue. Its a real one for all of us, we need to make sure as individuals we have rainy day money was we are going to need it.

Hang on - reading this, it sounds like you actually believe he forgot 40k of income?
You do realise it's nonsense don't you?

"Hang on - reading this, it sounds like you actually believe he forgot 40k of income?
You do realise it's nonsense don't you?"

Given he's in a 24/7 job, and given the importance of getting his tax return exactly right yeah, forgot seems the only plausible explanation. Or at least forgot to pass the right paperwork to the company doing it.