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i think they were just worried about incurring the wrath of the electorate by ignoring democracy
Like I said, they were not that bothered about it. If they were really bothered they would have voted against and accepted the wrath of the electorate.
Plus they are hardly ignoring democracy with a vote that was nigh on 50/50. A vote that close should go to parliament to decide anyway.
Did you catch the news last night?
[i]Like I said, they were not that bothered about it. If they were really bothered they would have voted against and accepted the wrath of the electorate.
Plus they are hardly ignoring democracy with a vote that was nigh on 50/50. A vote that close should go to parliament to decide anyway. [/I]
+1 They wimped out, and now we'll all pay (except they'll no doubt ensure that their pension scheme isn't eroded, unlike everyone else's).
i think they were just worried about incurring the wrath of the electorate by ignoring democracy
Except that they've now incurred the wrath of the 48% who didn't vote for Brexit, and those who are so rabidly pro-Brexit will vote Tory or UKIP anyway.
They're also completely misunderstood the whole point of a representative democracy - MPs are hired to make the difficult decisions, not the popular ones.
I've come to the conclusion that Corbyn is a Russian sleeper agent.
"Like I said, they were not that bothered about it. If they were really bothered they would have voted against and accepted the wrath of the electorate."
This. They clearly think the wrath generated by Brexit will be less than the wrath of not brexiting. Since the wrath of ignoring the referendum would be a few wrinkles muttering 'tut' they must think Brexit is not going to be that bad.
Hired?? Isn't it only the Tories that are for hire Ben?
You've just handed the Tories a blank cheque. You didn't win a single concession but still voted for the Bill. Pathetic.
I didn't look at the voting numbers too closely but as I understood it the Tories had a majority with only Ken Clarke voting against, so it would have passed regardless of whether Labour opposed or not.
So NS is being rather disingenuous to Labour, surprise, surprise.
Hired?? Isn't it only the Tories that are for hire Ben?
Hired by the electorate, in that we pick them and pay their wages.
Tories are often for hire in quite different ways.
IMO based on speaking to ex neighbours there was zero chance of the Referendum passing the 15% rise for Surrey. Not sure what sort of deal they where supposed to have got.
Corbyn wanted to trigger A50 immediately in June 2016 so any amendments / White Paper are irrelevant from his perspective
Fast tracked on to pilot scheme - seems they get to keep more business rates to spend themselves. Don't know much beyond that. But as you say R was a bluff and would have lost.
often for hire in quite different ways.
Blair/Ecclestone
Oh, and Keith Vaz. No, hold on. He does the hiring [i]in quite different ways. [/i]
IMO based on speaking to ex neighbours there was zero chance of the Referendum passing the 15% rise for Surrey. Not sure what sort of deal they where supposed to have got.
Well, duh. Pretty obviously it was a move designed to extract a concession because of the embarrassment to Jeremy Hunt and Philip Hammond, who both have their constituencies there. I suspect the Surrey CC chief exec is smarter at political manoeuvring than he is at sending text messages...
Good to see that a weak performance on QT last week is not barrier to high office.
Well done Rebecca L-B and good luck in your new role. Quite a story.
excellent bit in today's Private Eye about how, when JC does weekend work (like the Andrew Marr show), he gets time off in lieu the following week. Bless.
Hate to think what would happen if he were PM and there was a weekend national disaster. You wouldn't see him for days afterwards.
As someone who voted for Jeremy in the leadership election I think he is performing as expected. I think he should fight on until at least 2020.
Good to see that a weak performance on [s] QT[/s] [b]Daily Politics [/b] last week is not barrier to [s] high office.[/s] [b]being JC's heir apparent[/b]Well done Rebecca L-B and good luck in your new role. Quite a story.
FIFY
As someone who voted for Jeremy in the leadership election
which one?
Heir apparent?
You are kidding.....
(and was last week's QT)
You've just handed the Tories a blank cheque. You didn't win a single concession but still voted for the Bill. Pathetic.
And once again the 'Labour Heartlands' of the North of England heave a weary sigh and wish that the SNP would move south of the border, so they'd at least have someone credible to vote for.
She vocalised exactly my feelings in a considerably less sweary manner
*sighs wearily*
And once again the 'Labour Heartlands' of the North of England heave a weary sigh and wish that the SNP would move south of the border, so they'd at least have someone credible to vote for
Some people north of the border think that the SNP aren't. Even her in her constituency, follow @visitgovanhill for the alternative viewpoint
Or ask why primary class sizes are going up whilst university tutition fees are paid for EU nationals
Etc
Heir apparent?You are kidding.....
(and was last week's QT)
Nope, Lady Nugee 's makeover isn't hitting home so they are flailing around for the successor for when JC steps down with "health issues" to keep the project going
Lisa Nandy is now tainted as a Red Tory
QT is not worth the viewing time, Andrew Neil however is great value
binners - MemberYou've just handed the Tories a blank cheque. You didn't win a single concession but still voted for the Bill. Pathetic.
And once again the 'Labour Heartlands' of the North of England heave a weary sigh and wish that the SNP would move south of the border, so they'd at least have someone credible to vote for.
Labour Heartlands = Brexitland
Well, he has finally managed to unite the country - every age group, social backgrounds, and group of voters - including Labour ones - give him a net unfavourable rating.
Wasn't it that 7/10 labour constituencies voted leave?
They're also completely misunderstood the whole point of a representative democracy - MPs are hired to make the difficult decisions, not the popular ones.
Except they only get hired by being popular, and then we expect them to do what they said they would do.
Politicians can't be trusted on big issues, so we end up with referendums. The electorate can't be trusted to do what is right, so we go off referendums and look to our politicians. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Except they only get hired by being popular, and then we expect them to do what they said they would do.
Well, yes and no. Under the Westminster system, it really doesn't matter what most people want, First Past The Post and safe seats mean that a government can get power and do whatever it wants with only 20-25% of people voting for it.
So we now have the situation where the government is going for a hard Brexit which almost no-one wants, even most people who voted Leave.
We really need PR. But we won't get it.
So we now have the situation where the government is going for a hard Brexit which almost no-one wants, even most people who voted Leave.
No we don't but lets not let that get in the way
So we now have the situation where the government is going for a hard Brexit which almost no-one wants, even most people who voted Leave.
We are now in a position where we are leaving the EU, which is what what was sold to the electorate before the referendum and the majority chose.
The self-delusion of the remoaners is quite something to behold.
what is your evidence for the fact they are not going for a hard Brexit?
The EU chief negotiator certainly considers it s hard Brexit
the only difference i can see is that they want to retain trade- without paying on harmonising - which is not going to happen - you accept this- so in essence the fairest categorisation of their approach so far is a hard Brexit though they would like to avoid the tariff part of this but it is not the line in the sand and the PM will accept it.
NOw I dont wish to accuse you of post truth or being a snake oil salesperson but i am not sure what you are basing this assessment on as it is at odds with the europeans, BO Jo, the independent etc
Why do you say this?
Proper explanation not patronising hints please
The self-delusion of the remoaners is quite something to behold.
You do realise that once you use the term remoaners you sort of invalidate everything else you say?
If there's any delusion going on here its from the 'have cake, eat it' crowd, who somewhat unfortunately are presently in charge of negotiations, and I would imagine, once they trigger article 50, are in for the mother of all reality intrusions. It'd almost be funny, given what a bunch of tools we're talking about, but alas we're all going to have to live with the consequences of their monumental folly.
Anyway.... back to Jezza and his pathetic non-leadership... [url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/09/twitter-parodies-corbyn-supporters-deserting-labour-brexit ]A pretty accurate piece in yesterdays Guardian[/url]
Actually, many of our side are growing into the remoaners tag very well....
Jezza's ****ter account has been rather sad this week. Ok, the worlds attention is on another ****ter account, but even so what he tweets during a week of important events just shows how divorced from the real action he is.
It's cruel letting him carry on like this. The puppet masters are the only ones who seen happy
You do realise that once you use the term remoaners you sort of invalidate everything else you say?
Well, remoaner covers what they are doing, and is a little bit easier to type then "self-deluding, truthophobes who are lying about something that was at the time given some slight discussion in the media".
Anyway, back on track, for the thread at least 😉
Labour are polling at 24%, compared to 40% for the May-bot. That would work out at:
389 seats for the conservatives
208 for labour
A conservative majority of 128 seats.
Abandon hope all ye who enter here......
Telegraph readers?Abandon hope all ye who enter here......
Indeed big_n_daft. Northern constituencies currently held by Labour aren't on the target list. Corbyn's priority is shoring up the Islington vote after Laboir coming in 4th in Scotland he's given up there too. Just so terribly inconvenient to have by-election constituencies with a massive Leave vote and another with a nuclear power station. Corbyn needs a Stop the War constituency, not sure where to find one of those though.
Is it just me, or [url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/17/tony-blair-debilitated-labour-is-facilitating-a-disastrous-brexit ]is this the first step in the formation of a new political party[/url]?
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Corbyn under preasure over his inaction on Momentum abuse of women MPs and failing to honour pledge to have a women on short list for each Mayoral election.
Kinder Gentler Politics ?
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58ad5d82e4b0d0a6ef465753?ir=UK
The Labour leader came under pressure at a meeting of the Women’s Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) as a string of MPs, some on the edge of tears, gave accounts of the attacks they had suffered in recent months
During the hour-long meeting in the Commons on Tuesday, Parliamentarians recounted how they had been threatened with deselection and had felt that Momentum supporters had ‘incited’ harassment and even rape threats.
Which Momentum though? I thought there were about 12 different ones now as they've all fallen into their usual lefty factions. Each more virtuous than the last. There'll probably be 20 by the end of the week 😆
See gif above, Binners.
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Had PMQ's on before. Unbelievably, he seems to get worse by the week. If he were a horse, you'd have him shot
I kind of want Blair to return...along with Mandy and Cambell.
I'd love to hear what Cambell would have to say about Jezza over a couple of pints. I reckon he'd go 'Full Malcolm'....
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I'd love to hear what Cambell would have to say about Jezza over a couple of pints. I reckon he'd go 'Full Malcolm'....
He's teetotal, ex alcoholic.