Jeremy Corbyn

Are there genuinely any Labour Party members/voters that think the Tories won't walk it at the next GE?

Yes. They're called Momentum. And they think that Jezza is going to lead a grateful nation unto the bright socialist uplands.

Who knows what they'd think if they hadn't stopped taking their medication

You'd think the Labour Party might want to point this out, wouldn't you?

So when Andy Burnham becomes Mayor of Greater Manchester is he going to expose the NP for the bollocks it is or follow the lead of Richard Leese and the rest of them in having his ego massaged by Westminster?

As for Corbyn, it's hardly a surprise that he's looking at post-capitalist concepts seeing as Paul Mason is (or was?) an advisor. Trouble is all that stuff is going to pan out over decades, not the next 4 years. Mechanisation is going to happen eventually, but I have no idea why he's talking about it now. If he really wants to tackle the issue then he could do a lot worse by announcing an intention to bring in a universal basic income, but he probably hasn't got the balls to do that.

I thought they'd realistically be looking at the following GE.

I thought they'd realistically be looking at the following GE.

"That's not clear at all."

I think it is. They were elected on a ticket of tightening the belt and they've ended up spending like it's going out of fashion and leaving it to our kids to pay the tab.

Blaming Brexit won't carry much weight cos they offered the Referendum.

Under different leadership Labour could go to town over that and walk 2020.

Under different leadership Labour could go to town over that and walk 2020.

There's still time. If Corbyn decides, as looks likely, not to oppose brexit, and it unravels in the way [url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/26/theresa-may-fight-brexiters-britain-ruined ]many commentators predict [/url] it's highly likely he won't last til the next election. And then there's his health and the enduring idea that he'll step aside for a younger candidate once he's restored party democracy and entrenched the defeat of the blairites.

I can see Labour plummeting in England the same way they did in Scotland - who will benefit Greens, UKIP, Lib Dems, or perhaps Blair will invent a new party?

Corbyn just is not good enough to do anything other than talk to the diehard militants.

Greens are a fringe fruitloop party. They're as big as they'll ever get. UKIP for sure, if the don't implode, which seems unlikely. My bet is the Liberals. They can draw on half the country that the other parties aren't going to represent.

I think it is. They were elected on a ticket of tightening the belt and they've ended up spending like it's going out of fashion and leaving it to our kids to pay the tab.

The uncomfortable truth is that that *was* tightening the belt

That's how unbelievably massive government spending has grown to be.

Can you imagine, just imagine, for one second, if the Tory Government, on coming into power in May 2010, had actually cut government spending to match tax receipts?

Jesus, can you imagine what would have happened if they had put taxes up to maintain that level of spending? Lots not pretend this is adding a few pence onto tax for the wealthy, the government would have had to [b]double[/b] the entire national take of income tax, and still had a hole big enough that it required them to double inheritance tax and capital gains tax in order to make spending match receipts.

And all the time Labour were sitting there shouting that the only answer was spending even more 😯

Corbyns legacy [i]could[/i] be a refocused and electable Labour Party. That assumes 2020 is written off and the party concentrates on winning the vote of the currently non-franchised. Chasing the soft Tory vote is not a platform for a successful alternative.

I would think that it is (wrt getting elected at least).

Can you imagine, just imagine, for one second, if the Tory Government, on coming into power in May 2010, had actually cut government spending to match tax receipts?

Jesus are we back to comparing govt finances to those of a household? How long before the gold is brought up? 🙂

I would think that it is (wrt getting elected).

On what evidence? DId you miss the last two elections?

The problem is that the Momentum mob are in the process of having moderate labour MP's deselected to be replaced by totally unelectable Corbynite nutjobs. If they succeed in this, then it's all over for Labour. They'll disappear up their own politically correct arse in a cloud of virtue signalling.

I bet the Lib Dems can't believe their bloody luck!

They're already laying claim to the 48% who watched Corbyn's "let's trigger article 50 now!!" Nonsense the day after the referendum, and said "erm... WTF?!!!!"

That assumes 2020 is written off and the party concentrates on winning the vote of the currently non-franchised.

I would think that it is (wrt getting elected).
On what evidence? DId you miss the last two elections?

Can I count SNP as soft Tory?

Can I count SNP as soft Tory?

No.

But seriously I believe that there are people in UK voting for the Tories from the perspective of no reasonable alternative in the last 2 elections. I think that many in middle England are disenfranchised by the Tory approach, and while I find some of Corbyn's stances admirable, in reality he is not up to it. He is no Bernie Sanders (who was also not up to it).

Scotland just had a viable alternative.

Scotland just had a viable alternative.

We just voted to leave the union. UKIP seem a lot more successful than the SNP. If we had PR they'd have the seats to reflect it.

Labour's only hope is to go down the populist anti-establishment route, but without the racism. Sanders offers a shining example. Corbyn won the leadership off the back of massively strong anti-establshment sentiment among labour members and supporters, but he's failed to translate that to the wider public, largely because he's a terrible communicator and obviously still not fully committed to it. It's not really his fault, I think he tries but you can't turn a shy bookish academic type into a passionate rabble rousing leader who people identify with. Once someone like that emerges from the left (god knows who, there isn't anyone there now like that) then I reckon he'd step aside.

turn a shy bookish academic

He's not an academic. He hasn't done anything (other than vote against his own party)

If UKIP doesn't implode, then they're going to take an awful lot of seats off labour in the North. Ask the voters who just voted out what they think about Jezzas Big Data? How relevant they think that is to their lives?

****ing clueless!

He's not an academic.

Yes I know that, that's why I said 'academic type'. That's how he comes across to people, both in the way he talks and looks.

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That's how unbelievably massive government spending has grown to be.

Can you imagine, just imagine, for one second, if the Tory Government, on coming into power in May 2010, had actually cut government spending to match tax receipts?

Jesus, can you imagine what would have happened if they had put taxes up to maintain that level of spending? Lots not pretend this is adding a few pence onto tax for the wealthy, the government would have had to double the entire national take of income tax, and still had a hole big enough that it required them to double inheritance tax and capital gains tax in order to make spending match receipts.

Ring fencing is the problem. If you ring fence the popular spending like NHS and Pensions you have to endure crippling hardship everywhere else. ...but if you don't ring fence popular spending you don't get elected.

CFH 🙂 Nearly as ridiculous as the Ed-stone

So another spectacular own goal as Corbyn has announced he will attend Castro's funeral. That's going to come back and bite him come General Election.

So another spectacular own goal as Corbyn has announced he will attend Castro's funeral.

Corbyn has announced he will attend Castro's funeral.

😀

If he does he can catch up with his old buddy Jerry Adams.

Nuttall (shouty scouse bloke) for UKIP leader too.

That should make things interesting for the Labour heartlands

He's just said he wants to replace the labour party as the party of the working man. Nuttall is a much bigger threat to them than Farage. I know little of his past but a shouty scouse bloke talking 'comon sense' (that's how they see it unfortunately) is everything Corbyn isn't. Labour are screwed quite frankly, the libdems will hoover up the centrist middle class anti-brexit votes, UKIP the pro-brexit working class vote. That doens't leave a lot for labour.

I'm going to nip to the bookies and see what odds I can get on Corbyns labour failing to keep more than 100 seats at the next election. The odds must be shortening by the hour at the moment. constituancies that have been labour since the dawn of time are going to go either UKIP or Libdem

In fact, I doubt they'd take the bet

The Labour Party... RIP

Nuttall (shouty scouse bloke) for UKIP leader too.

That should make things interesting for the Labour heartlands

Sky broadcast his acceptance speech. His focus was clearly on the Labour heartlands and turning those 100 second place finishes into wins.

If UKIP go into the general election with that pitch, which they clearly intend to do, they'll absolutely decimate the labour party in its working class 'heartlands'. As somewhat unbelievably Corbyn has managed to make them even less relevant in these places than even Ed Milliband managed. [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29564515 ]The writing has been on the wall for a while now.[/url]

And with all the middle class remainers scarpering to the Lib Dems, that just leaves the Momentum sixth formers. And most of them aren't old enough to vote

If UKIP go into the general election with that pitch, which they clearly intend to do, they'll absolutely decimate the labour party in its working class 'heartlands'.

Yeah, unless UKIP are deemed irrelevant now they've got what they've been campaigning for.

Mind you, you'd think losing the referendum would have killed the SNP and it didn't so maybe single issue parties can morph into normal political parties.

Who exactly does Corbyn's labour party represent at the moment?

Theres no particular group that springs to mind.

So thats an awful lot of votes that are there for the taking, and all you need to do is be less shit than Jezza.

Hardly a big ask. I've met items of furniture with sharper political instincts

Yeah, unless UKIP are deemed irrelevant now they've got what they've been campaigning for.

Farage, chairman and Nutall tried to address that, UKIP to

Ensure Brexit delivered and not watered down
Represent patriotic working class people
Deliver for veterans and those who have served their country

Farage said UKIP polling remains steady as their voters now identify as UKIP and not Labour or Tory

Let me return to Middlesborough and the Newsnight video I posted in the EU thread, does anyone at the top end of Labour really think praising Castro endears them to the people of the North East ? Corbyn's office trying to limit damage of Castro story by saying he hasn't had an invite YET. Surely he will have enough sense to not attend a Castro funeral along with Jerry Adams, even Putin has declined, in the midst of Brexit - priorities Jezza priorities ?

Who exactly does Corbyn's labour party represent at the moment?
Theres no particular group that springs to mind.
So thats an awful lot of votes that are there for the taking, and all you need to do is be less shit than Jezza.
Hardly a big ask. I've met items of furniture with sharper political instincts

I'd agree and I'd agree with the 'open goal' assessment.

I just find it hard to believe that a single issue party can get many votes once they've achieved what they set out to do. Having said that, I can't see the Liberal party picking up much support in the North either.

Either way, someone will get the votes Labour walked away from.

Who exactly does Corbyn's labour party represent at the moment?

Educated middle class socialists and left of centre under 40s. The pressure to water down their policies to make them seem more centrist (when it wasn't necessary, as they were already pretty centrist) has alienated the working class people who are far more radical in their political opinions than everyone thinks. The working class need very little encouragement to point the finger of blame at the rich elite who have put them in the position they are now. Yet ironically when the labour party started doing just that, they've come under huge pressure from within to water down that message, leaving space for UKIP to capture those votes with their 'blame it on the immigrants' message. Labour had a chance to capture the populist working class vote but squandered it. They won't get another chance.

Corbyn represents Socialist Worker types, he's really in the wrong party.

With Nuttall winning the UKIP leadership we have now entered a time of Post-Labour politics.

Wasnt nuttall on that pub landlord comedy show a few years ago - burgundy jacket and spilling a pint?

Who exactly does Corbyn's labour party represent at the moment?

Educated middle class socialists and left of centre under 40s

Nah... he lost the vast majority of those the day after he referendum with his ridiculously ill-thought-through (unusual for him) call for article 50 to be triggered immediately.

And those voters are never coming back either. They all suspected, due to his disappearance during the referendum, that he was actually a leaver. This just confirmed it.

So he managed to lose the Leave working-class voters during the campaign (for alledgedly camapining to remain), then promptly lost the middle class remain voters the following morning for voicing an even more rabid 'lets leave now!!!' position than John Redwood

Pretty shrewd maneuverings there Jezza

What a ****-wit!