Jeremy Corbyn

Yes I would say there is parity ninfan.

Really

Yup. I thought it was sitting on the fence and offered little to people on either side who instead would support the tories/UKIP or the libdems depending on which side of brexit they stood. Obviously I was completely wrong and very happy about that. I really should have had more faith.

One word of caution though is that i think all this talk of people moving left is over-egged. People (as always) voted with their pockets. The end to tuition fees and the fear of losing their homes to pay for care drove many towards labour. If those policies are now neutralised (the tories will do something about fees I think) then labour will need to come up with something else to tempt the middle classes.

Yes I would say there is parity ninfan.

Two words

Nelson Mandela

😆

Also, ultra Pro Tories who kept harping on about the IRA thing absolutely must acknowledge that this DUP pact is worse. Otherwise you will never have any credibility.

The analogy doesn't work, Corbyn was fighting a socialist revolution by proxy when he invited IRA members to the House of Commons after the Brighton Bomb.

We now have peace in Northern Ireland (sort from the odd but job) and all the parties with MPs would have MLAs if it sat. Any party that wants support from one of the NIrish parties we shouldn't have an issue as they are democratically elected.

The Good Friday agreement does mean that any support should be managed carefully and discussions with other NI parties should be had before anything is formalised.

We do have a potential opportunity, the DUP (and other parties) have some views that are behind the curve of public opinion. Exposure to wider UK media will see them melt in the heat of examination. The NI Assembly is grid locked and a renewed focus will help unblock that.

And before you ask if Corbyn had got more seats and a majority in coalition with SF then so be it, that's democracy. But that didn't happen.

Corbyn was fighting a socialist revolution by proxy when he invited IRA members to the House of Commons after the Brighton Bomb.

No he wasn't: he felt that best solution was dialogue, not more bombs, which is what he was trying to achieve. It's a bit different to inviting them to form a government with you.

Even if the DUP has put violence behind them, their views still have no place in civilised, modern society. Your attempt to gloss over this is really quite blatant and irresponsible

We now have peace in Northern Ireland (sort from the odd but job)

By nut job do you mean the Leader of the DUP and the members of the UDA?

[url= http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html ]h/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor[/url]

codybrennan - Member

Agreed. Sorry Andy, but you did use those precise words re the early election and then, when it was quoted to you yesterday, scrolled on past with no response.

Yeah, but jamba said it last week

No he wasn't: he felt that best solution was dialogue, not more bombs, .

If you believe the revisionist history of Corbyn " working for peace" that's your right, some people equally believe his double speak on the IRA, trident etc shows that although his haircut has changed his views haven't

Even if the DUP has put violence behind them, their views still have no place in civilised, modern society. Your attempt to gloss over this is really quite blatant and irresponsible

What gloss, they are democratically elected, sometimes people get elected who you profoundly disagree with, that's democracy. As I stated before nobody really cared about the DUP until Friday, now they do, their views are going to get challenged on a national stage, they won't stand up and it's very likely that NI will change once the assembly can be reconvened.

By nut job do you mean the Leader of the DUP and the members of the UDA?

She is probably "working for peace"

Anyone shooting people for political reasons is a nutjob, and a criminal, there is no justification in a democracy

big_n_daft - Member
And before you ask if Corbyn had got more seats and a majority in coalition with SF then so be it, that's democracy. But that didn't happen.

I wouldn't have been happy with it.
It's been discussed with other Labour supporting friends over the last few days and I haven't found one who would accept that as a price for power.

It wouldn't be good for the peace process and it wouldn't be good for democracy.

Religious sectarianism is a disease and has no place in mainstream politics.
And I say this as someone brought up a Catholic with Northern Irish relatives.

May's actions are an insult to those who worked bloody hard to bring about peace in NI and shows utter contempt for the electorate.

This is turning into 'I'm a politician, please don't get me out of here'.
Desparate people who will do absolutely anything to retain power.

Sad, isn't it?

I wouldn't have been happy with it.
It's been discussed with other Labour supporting friends over the last few days and I haven't found one who would accept that as a price for power.

I wouldn't be happy with it either but that is our democracy.

The good news at the moment is that people suddenly care again about NI

I don't think most decent people ever stopped caring.

But yes, it might just help focus people's minds.

Corbyn was fighting a socialist revolution by proxy when he invited IRA members to the House of Commons after the Brighton Bomb.

sometimes people get elected who you profoundly disagree with, that's democracy

One cannot have a debate when your principle flip flops based on whether you support the party/person who did it rather than defend the principle

FWIW corbyn did it for the noble reason of bringing about peace and may to cling to power

Stop being at such tribal levels of partisanship its a bit DM - who will also not speak of the DUP deal in the same lying way they did , and you just did, about Corbyn

If you believe the revisionist history of Corbyn " working for peace" that's your right

@Pigface maybe you didn't see the other thread I certainly did pit my hand up and say I was wrong (and linked to John Snow saying the same thing - imication was I was agreeing with him we got it very wrong)

As I said it really seems the Tory's in Scotland brought their A game and outperformed whereas the seperate team in England (who have now quit) got it very wrong. I have looked at a few different constituencies in South and the Labour increase is driven significantly by new votwr registrations. Now this is good for Labour as if they have been motivayed to vote once they'll likely do so again.

As I posted elsewhere the Remainers / Soft Brexiteers may well get a very nasty shock as its most likely the Tory Leave posse will take over - Ove and IDS quite likely to be back

As for my "no election" necessary you need to go back to last yea and early thisr. May said so repeatedly and got all the legislation through on her 17 seat majority. She made a very poor decsion as much on manifesto (eg social care) where she took unecessary risks and was guilty of giving an easy target to Corbyn etc even if Labour want to target the same "rich" indovisuals with inheritance tax.

If you believe the revisionist history of Corbyn " working for peace" that's your right, some people equally believe his double speak on the IRA, trident etc shows that although his haircut has changed his views haven't

I believe the facts as they are presented. If you want to believe your own version of events, biased by your own party politics, then that is your right, but don't judge everyone by your own standards.

I think a lot of voters have just signalled that they don't flipping care what Jezza was doing two or three decades ago - because they can tell he's a diamond geezer now.

I think Teresa May has signalled she doesn't care what the DUP were doing two or three decades ago. She's desperate...

She made a very poor decsion

Not what I would have done but I can see the logic, May is playing a blinder.

I never saw one post where you criticised either her calling the election or her performance during it and your last post before the election was

75-100 remains my prediction. Personally I think the Tory lead has increased over the election campaign, I think the early polls where manipulated up and the latter ones down. All makes for headlines and an ability to "create the news" by the newsmedia.

May went into the election with a 17 seat majority and much talk of disruption to Brexit. IMO on Jue 9th sh will have a much much larger majority and a much stronger hand at home and abroad. Job Done.

I'm offline tomorrow , I'm sure the world will keep on turning

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/is-may-about-to-call-an-election/page/78#post-8518558
Its hard to reconcile what you are saying now [ or what you claim you said then] with what we can all easily find on here by simply reading and repeating your posts to you. You think she increased her lead, whilst reducing your guess at seats gain and now you thinks "she made a poor decision"
She did but this is not what you thought at the time - very few of us did to be fair it looked like a stroll in the park until the exit poll tbh.
I replied with

She will won but not by what she expected to and I very much dount the Tory grandees have any faith left in her

She will be very very lucky to ever face the electorate again as PM and will need to show some skill that has been hitherto lacking in her performances in either the election or her previous department or her premiership- the lady is for turning

I believe the facts as they are presented. If you want to believe your own version of events, biased by your own party politics, then that is your right, but don't judge everyone by your own standards.

I have no party politics, my voting record shows me to be a classic floating voter, I have never been a member of a political party, I am a trade union member of twenty years standing

The revisionist history of Corbyn and his fellow travellers is all very new, people seem desperate to swallow a carefully crafted double speak which blurs the reality whilst keeping his acolytes happy that he isn't deviating from the true path. People have grasped the straws of any opposition to "austerity" which is understandable, the pork barrel manifesto achieved it's aim, but to state he has "integrity" and all the other meme's now attracted to this modern day secular saint shows the desperation to not shoot the messenger just in case the message is tainted.

Someone should ask him why he turned down the Nobel peace prize

The revisionist history of Corbyn and his fellow travellers is all very new, people seem desperate to swallow a carefully crafted double speak

Have a word with yourself, as I said people just don't GAS.

[quote=Junkyard ]tbh its a result few of us called - myself included - so I am not sure anyone can claim they got it right.

Ahem: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/election-predictions-whats-yours#post-8523195

...oh hang on, that was wrong too, a few on there predicting a hung parliament, though I'm not sure if anybody was being more serious than me.

Though also this which was a serious comment:
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/voter-turnout-today-in-your-area#post-8522693
...I'm feeling a bit smug about that, as few others were even prepared to go that far in suggesting the polls were wrong in that direction.

my voting record shows me to be a classic floating voter

he did not meet terrorists he met politicians

but to state he has "integrity" and all the other meme's now attracted to this modern day secular saint

You can shoot him with anything you like for some reason you have chosen ad homs, outright falsehoods and utter[ flowery] BS as your weapons of choice rather than facts.

The revisionist history of Corbyn and his fellow travellers is all very new...

It really isn't. Anyone half-interested in what was below the media veneer would have known that he was way more about dialogue- as we all should be.

I am a trade union member of twenty years standing

Wee bit of virtue signalling?

aracer i could claim my post was true- its not bad actually- but i did expect her to get a majority. I shall not claim otherwise now even though i might get away with it and I could defend such a claim

The revisionist history of Corbyn and his fellow travellers is all very new, people seem desperate to swallow a carefully crafted double speak which blurs the reality whilst keeping his acolytes happy that he isn't deviating from the true path.

I can't find any history of revisionism and I looked bloody carefully before deciding he was worth supporting.

Indeed, he condemned IRA violence in a 1994 early day motion here [url=www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-ira-violence-1994-general-election-a7761801.html%3Famp]link.[/url]

And a decent article on his actual involvement from openDemocracy [url=www.opendemocracy.net/uk/tom-griffin/corbyn-mcdonnell-and-irish-peace-process]here.[/url]

I have been unable to find any reliable sources which contradict any of his statements on the subject.

There is however an awful lot of info readily available which suggests he's telling the truth.

codybrennan - Member

Wee bit of virtue signalling?

Not really, it's scene setting- when I'm talking to Labour people I always tend to say I was a member, I'm a union man, it's just saying "I am not the other side"

Anyone half-interested in what was below the media veneer would have known that he was way more about dialogue

Presumably he was speaking to both sides in the interest of 'dialogue' to achieve peace?

I haven't seen a single reference to him speaking to any Loyalists before 1994

This is turning into 'I'm a hopeless,arrogant politician with appalling decision making skills,who can't answer an unscripted question,won't accept responsibilities for my mistakes and an absolute contempt for principles and people, please don't get me out of here'.
Desperate people who will do absolutely anything to retain power.

Fixed that for you.

ninfan - Member

Presumably he was speaking to both sides in the interest of 'dialogue' to achieve peace?

Yes.

He met with David Ervine on several occasions.
Paisley too and several other major loyalists politicians/former activists.
And Tony Benn met with Paisley many times too.

You could find this out for yourself, but where's the fun in that?

Don't forget that Thatcher was holding talks with Sinn Fein, under wraps, throughout the campaign, but that doesn't suit your dogma, does it?

[quote=mikey74 ]Don't forget that Thatcher was holding talks with Sinn Fein, under wraps, throughout the campaign, but that doesn't suit your dogma, does it?

Don't try and defend Jezza by comparing him with a known terrorist sympathiser
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Don't forget that Thatcher was holding talks with Sinn Fein, under wraps, throughout the campaign, but that doesn't suit your dogma, does it?

Doesn't the fact that the Govt had ongoing, private, dialogue, without giving SF-IRA the publicity coup of it taking place on a public stage, entirely undermine any arguments that it was necessary or beneficial for Jezza to speak to them?

No, as solutions to those sort of issues need agreements at all levels, with all parties.

No.

Btw, Corbyn was awarded the Gandhi Foundation International Peace Award for his efforts to bring about a peaceful solution to the conflict in Northern Ireland in 2013.

His acceptance speech is available online.

If you mean agreement regards Labour and Tory/UK parties, that's what the Privy council is for, and we all know that Jezza only got membership a year or so ago.

If you mean agreement in NI, at this point (and for many years afterwards) Jezza wasn't speaking to the unionists, and the proposition they were sitting down with him, after he had publicly allied himself with the shinners and committed himself to a united Ireland (and rejected the Anglo-Irish agreement on this basis) is preposterous.

As I said, nobody has presented any contemporary records or articles showing Jezza meeting any unionists before '94 (at the time of the ceasefire) everything else is loose and willy claims by momentumites with no corroboration from unionist sources

ninfan -
Doesn't the fact that the Govt had ongoing, private, dialogue, without giving SF-IRA the publicity coup of it taking place on a public stage, entirely undermine any arguments that it was necessary or beneficial for Jezza to speak to them?

And to cap what you've been told above- no, because he wouldn't have known about these talks with Thatcher- the official files documenting the talks only began to be released in 2011.

That's what 'private' in a governmental context meant. Covered by the OSA, etc. "Non-public".

Isn't that a bit obvious?

You're sounding a bit desperate now, tbh.
🙂

A bit desperate!?

if you keep feeding him he will show just how desperate he can go for attention

Think of your mothers will you
#rapeybanhammer

no, because he wouldn't have known about these talks with Thatcher-

Well SF-IRA knew, didn't they - are you now telling me that [u]they[/u] didn't tell him they were speaking to government?

He was their best friend in London, and they kept that from him?

Doesn't say much about their view of him, does it? If they were keeping secrets like that from him, how on earth could he be involved in honest and truthful dialogue to achieve peace?

I wonder what else they kept from him or lied about?

On top of which, although the records were under the 30 year rule, senior Labour Party members all knew at the time, on a Privy Council basis, so how can you allege that he was acting on behalf of the party?

BTW - I'm still waiting for any proof of him speaking to the Unionists, you know, all this 'dialogue' in order to achieve the lasting peace in NI that he so cared about.

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Lock up your mothers.

He's on a roll again.

Cor, I think Ninfan has finally blown a piston.

only being ignored would really annoy him

I think very many people care about Corbyn's links with the IRA. However I suspect all those undergrads who signed up to vote don't much care or more probably even know what went on before they where born. Corbyn was a maverick peripheral figure with zero influence during the vast majority of his politcal career.

It's ironic that should Corbyn ever get into power on the back of this youth / student vote it is those people sho in rheir later years are going to saddeled with attempting to pay off the staggering debts built up and finding they have no state pension as the country can't afford it 40 years from now. No skin off my nose, I'll likely be long dead.

Oooooh...bitter lemon with your gin sir?

I always read Jamba's posts with 'interest'. His latest ??? is, IMO, bang on the money.

I suspect he and I are of similar vintage and have lived with/through the consequences of multiple govs; that brings a certain amount of......cynicism/experience/disillusionment/wisdom(????) - take your pick.

This is an unholy trucking mess with no clear way forward. The DUP are poisonous bed partners who will extract the maximum possible from May & co (in other words, us) - and sod the consequences; their focus will undoubtedly be £, the union and a soft border. Their sanctimonious statements about LGBT matters are nothing more than window dressing for some of their swivel-eyed loon supporters; money is what matters - grubby, dirty, venal cash.

My mother was Irish (Eire) and I have relations living/working on both sides of the border - some in 'mixed' marriages/relationships - so I have some understanding. None of my Irish connections would piss on a DUP MP if their arse was on fire.

On a different note, Johnson is a Roman scholar and is trying to play 'palace intrigues and plotting' - sorry Bozza, you're as transparent as a pair of wet white knickers.

If anyone wishes to rub their crystal balls and tell us what happens........

It's ironic that should Corbyn ever get into power on the back of this youth / student vote it is those people sho in rheir later years are going to saddeled with attempting to pay off the staggering debts built up and finding they have no state pension as the country can't afford it 40 years from now.

Says the guy who's backs Brexit 😯

Says the guy who's backs Brexit

Corbyn campaigned for Brexit since 1983

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/jeremy-corbyns-election-leaflets-show-how-he-has?utm_term=.hy7ZzZbPE3#.bbVJaJYnAX

On his "working for peace"

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/07/the-idea-that-jeremy-corbyn-laid-the-foundations-for-peace-in-northern-ireland-is-total-fantasy/

Corbyn campaigned for Brexit since 1983

May backed remain

If you have a point, please furnish us with it

Corbyn apparently preparing his own Queens speech, if he doesn't need it now, he'll have one ready after the next election 🙂

If you have a point, please furnish us with it

The youth/ anti Brexit protest vote went to the guy who had been campaigning for Brexit since before most of them were born

The youth/ anti Brexit protest vote went to the guy who had been campaigning for Brexit since before most of them were born

Fortunately his manifesto was all about the soft Brexit (see excerpts on other thread)

As he's a man of honour (something so lacking in the Tories) you can take that to the bank......

However I suspect all those undergrads who signed up to vote don't much care or more probably even know what went on before they where born.

The idiots are probably thinking about the future instead if the distant past, I shouldn't wonder. What good will that do!

I suspect he and I are of similar vintage and have lived with/through the consequences of multiple govs; that brings a certain amount of......cynicism/experience/disillusionment/wisdom(????) - take your pick.

And I am probably of the same vintage too but I have an opposing view. I stay open minded and full of hope for a fairer system.

Taking my pick from your list of what happened to you I would say cynicism (adding a bit of selfishness) rather than experience or wisdom. Seems to happen to majority of people as they age which is why they swing from left to right as they get past 40. They have got what they want and want to keep it that way.

It's ironic that should Corbyn ever get into power on the back of this youth / student vote it is those people sho in rheir later years are going to saddeled with attempting to pay off the staggering debts

You see staggering debts, I see slight worse off rich people and better public services for all.

Maybe the young are just more open minded than you?

Like Kerley, I didn't see 'staggering debts' either; I saw a sensible tax and spend policy that ironically will hit me pretty hard.

But do you know what- I'll welcome it, because I've done pretty well- luck, mostly, if I'm honest- and that's the way it ought to work. I'll be ok, and now more importantly so might some other folk.

Endlessly harping on about Corbyn and terrorism, and how younger votes are invalidated by a lack of life experience? Remember what told us in Brexit, how we'd alienated the leavers by endlessly marginalising their choice, calling them 'fick', and that led to them kicking back? Well, all the Corbs-Terror-Yoof angle is going to do is alienate those who voted for him against you, too. Maybe you'll be happy with that, I don't know? But calling out that the younger vote is invalid just because they are younger and *possibly* less experienced- well, I think that will backfire in the same way that leaver-alienation did. A vote cast is a choice made, deal with it, as you reminded us many times. The young are bearing the brunt of austerity and I'd argue they know more about it than you ever will.

And if you hadn't already noticed- even if its true, it didn't work, so I think you'll need another strategy that's better than this ad-hom. Especially on the back of the DUP alliance 🙂

....that's got miles to go yet in the 'siding with terrorists' angle. Its a big big box of splashback.

🙂

The youth/ anti Brexit protest vote went to the guy

Can you evidence the anti Brexit vote went to Corbyn. Because he wasn't campaigning to stop Brexit.

Anti hard Brexit maybe.

Like Kerley, I didn't see 'staggering debts' either; I saw a sensible tax and spend policy that ironically will hit me pretty hard.

The young are bearing the brunt of austerity and I'd argue they know more about it than you ever will.

Can you evidence the anti Brexit vote went to Corbyn.

the influence of the mail/express/sun is falling

https://www.themediabriefing.com/article/youth-audiences-newspaper-old-demographics-advertising

Couple of years old and doesn't really single out the yoof but there's a few pretty graphs to look at.

Main thing is the Sun is still very popular amongst those that still read papers under 34

It certainly did round here.

I voted against Brexit in the referendum but didn't vote to stop Brexit in the election, if I did I'd have voted Lib Dem and certainly not for someone with a long track record of disliking the EU. Which was what I was really enquiringly about, there's an assumption it was a stop Brexit vote but I've not seen evidence to back it up beyond the anecdotal. And the commentary on this forum is hardly balanced.

Which was what I was really enquiringly about, there's an assumption it was a stop Brexit vote but I've not seen evidence to back it up beyond the anecdotal

I suspect he and I are of similar vintage and have lived with/through the consequences of multiple govs; that brings a certain amount of......cynicism/experience/disillusionment/wisdom(????) - take your pick.

Well you actually asked if the anti brexit vote went to labour

Coz I'm #difficultandwobbly

Can I haz a gold star for spotting the Labour resurgence?

[url= https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/has-corbyn-stolen-trumps-playbook-beate-kubitz ]Has Corbyn stolen Trump's playbook?[/url]

I am so excited about this election. Everything I have ever worked for (human rights, an end to stigma around mental health, sustainable transport) has been roundly trashed in the Sun. This election has shown that it is no longer 'the Sun wot won it'. Sure, it will have had an impact (otherwise there'd have been a Labour landslide) but Murdoch - and the other billionaire media barons' power is waning. Delighted that Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party have worked out a way round them.

piemonster
Can you evidence the anti Brexit vote went to Corbyn.

Thats a good point actually piemonster, and you're right- can we take it as a given that what's just happened was a vote against a hard brexit?

2 things:

1)Corbyn's views on brexit were well-known, and 'soft' would just about describe it, I would say. Not anti, not hard, somewhere middlish.

2)The right-wing press are saying it. If they've conceded it, then its over.

Clover - Member - Block User - Quote
Can I haz a gold star for spotting the Labour resurgence?

Great article 🙂

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Baffled. Shadow chancellor just said on TV labour would end membership of single market when leaving EU.

Surely not that different to Conservative approach then?

Thanks... I've been on tenterhooks over this because I was convinced I was seeing something but then every time I saw a print headline I was worried that I was wrong.

I think the Westminster bubble in which the media and MPs reflect back on each other needs to burst. The Blair/Tory 'how to win an election' blueprint = win over Rupert Murdoch and you will win. Obviously that was never going to happen and I can see why Labour MPs were panicking about 'electability'. Hopefully they'll be less worried henceforth.

Interesting to see what happens next - whether Murdoch changes tone or whether he buys up Facebook. Hmmm.

Murdoch wont change tune and i think many would be disappointed if Corbyn cosyed up to him and I doubt he would- certainly affect his standing amongst his core voters

IMHO digger tends to just side with the winner - whilst being quite RW himself- as he wants/needs to have influence.

THe DM - much as i despise them - actually mean what they say and even Cameron asked for Dacre - head of the press standards btw - to be sacked/reigned in.

Double standards or what?

JC who stood by a grave & had a couple of chats with some shady Irishman? ABHORENT.

The Tory councillor who was an active member of the IRA & was at one time on the run with £20k of IRA swag & a loaded revolver? SILENCE.

Tell me - which one actually broke the fing law??

Laughable stuff from the Tory fanbois.

what were you expecting a principle above self interest 😉

Junkyard:

Murdoch wont change tune and i think many would be disappointed if Corbyn cosyed up to him and I doubt he would- certainly affect his standing amongst his core voters

IMHO digger tends to just side with the winner - whilst being quite RW himself- as he wants/needs to have influence.

Yes, that's what I wonder. Just toning down the anti-Corbyn hysteria would be interesting and presumably not going to damage sales given the polls. Or there's presumably the temptation to double-down and up the hysteria (if that's possible) and try and buy social media.

IMHO digger tends to just side with the winner - whilst being quite [s]RW[/s] a **** himself

mikewsmith - Member

+1 though my folks just quoted some similar crap about tuition fee's

The tuition fee thing is mostly because the truth is quite complicated and unintuitive and the falsehood/misunderstanding is simple and "obvious".

I mean, it's my job so I know exactly how the numbers work but they still don't seem real. The fact that the last tuition fee increase is likely to lead to a net loss to the public purse because of rocketing nonrepayment, like a sort of tuition fee laffer curve, gives me a sort of divide by common sense error. My forebrain knows it's true but my limbic system says it can't be.

Just saw that the Welsh distillery Penderyn have a new whiskey out called Red Flag 🙂

I'm sure it's just a coincidence and not a political statement....

Some talking points for ninfan, jamba, big_n_daft, cranberry, chewkw, etc
https://capx.co/all-that-matters-now-is-stopping-corbyn/

Some more food for thought, I know you all love a bit of marxist analysis...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/jun/12/paul-mason-jeremy-corbyn-defeat-ruling-elite-antonio-gramsci

Oh - and the fact he mentions Boris for PM in that article just shows how out of touch he is with what really went wrong.

Good to see that they realise the tories have no viable candidates and are just hoping for something to turn up in next 5 years.

Baffled. Shadow chancellor just said on TV labour would end membership of single market when leaving EU.

Surely not that different to Conservative approach then?

If you leave the EU, you leave membership the single market. Norway, for example, is not a member of the single market, instead it pays for access to it.