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[quote=binners said] But it looks like the poll lead has gone to their head, and they're feeling far too smug about the Brexit vote, and are reverting to type. Smug. Superior. Born to Rule. And thats exactly how this kind of thing comes across
Talking of smug and superior, I see Gina Miller is now back in the frame with her tactical voting website thing.
The Tories must get a few hundred thousand new supporters every time she appears on telly.
The Tories must get a few hundred thousand new supporters every time she appears on telly.
Or not, how many alternatives does she generate?
As brexit was seen as helped by older non voters making an appearance are there more out there? The logic requires an infinite supply
The Tories must get a few hundred thousand new supporters every time she appears on telly.
Nah.... all the nasty, foaming-at-the-mouth, Mail reading, xenophobic racists were already on their way back from UKIP anyway.
The fact that Gina Miller is championing the exact democratic sovereignty that they were claiming to want back from the EU in the first place, will still never let her be forgiven for being both the wrong sex, and the wrong colour
Erm, Jez, the camera is over there.
Talking of smug and superior, I see Gina Miller is now back in the frame with her tactical voting website thing.
Quick, find a photo of her eating a bacon sandwich...that'll sort it.
[url] https://www.tactical2017.com/ [/url] is doing a similiar thing to what she is trying to achieve
Political putdowns over time - worth 5 mins I think
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/the-best-british-political-insults-rows-and-putdowns/
The fact that Gina Miller is championing the exact democratic sovereignty that they were claiming to want back from the EU in the first place, will still never let her be forgiven for being both the wrong sex, and the wrong colour
Oh come on ! Looks she's been totaly found out (to the extent anyone actually believed her democracy bollix) to be 100% campaigning to Remain in the EU / disrupt the result of the Referendum as she diasgrees with the result. I can't understand for a second why she agreed to those pomous press photographs either, madness.
further sanctions on Russia were ignored out of hand at the G7.
Yup blocked by Germany and Italy who had no intention of allowing the use of Sarin gas to get in the way of selling products to Russia.
Yup blocked by Germany and Italy who had no intention of allowing the use of Sarin gas to get in the way of selling products to Russia.
#jambafact
Looks she's been totaly found out (to the extent anyone actually believed her democracy bollix) to be 100% campaigning to Remain in the EU / disrupt the result of the Referendum as she diasgrees with the result.
As is her democratic right Jammers old boy! 😛
I still think the all the hatred/abuse/death threats/rape threats (you stay classy brexiteers!) are directed at her because angry, old, self-entitled white Tories don't like uppity little women, who are also the wrong colour, having the temerity to question their right to do what the hell they like. Does she not know her place?
Hang on a minute.....He's a what?
Indeed it's her right binners but my issue is with her lack of integrety and honesty right from the start.
Indeed it's her right binners but my issue is with her lack of integrety and honesty right from the start.
Lack of integrity and honesty don't seem to bother you at all when it's someone who's a right-wing nutjob/Leaver/Trump-er (eg. "We love Boris") but when it's a Remainer or someone from the Labour Party, suddenly they're required to stand up to some high level of scrutiny. Do you* apply similar standards of "integrity" and "honesty" to your own posts?
*No need to answer.
An accusation of a lack of integrity and honesty? From the Leave campaign? Seriously? 😆
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I still think the all the hatred/abuse/death threats/rape threats (you stay classy brexiteers!) are directed at her because angry, old, self-entitled white Tories don't like uppity little women, who are also the wrong colour, having the temerity to question their right to do what the hell they like. Does she not know her place?
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my issue is with her lack of integrety and honesty
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"Indeed it's her right binners but my issue is with her lack of integrety and honesty right from the start"
I'd question if she does especially lack those, but let's assume she does: She's not standing for office, she's just offering a service to tell people of a certain viewpoint which way to vote so who cares about her personal attributes.
Well you all have a chance to make your mark on June 8th
BTW I haven't seen anything about what the Labour Party are up to today, perhaos its nothing, perhaps it's campaign genius from Boris attacking the weakest link in Labour and doninating the days headlines ?
jambalaya - Member
Well you all have a chance to make your mark on June 8th
I suppose, but I fear the OAP little englanders will rule the day
"I suppose, but I fear the OAP little englanders will rule the day"
I'm sure this kind of name-calling will result in a Labour landslide. It's never worked before so this this time it has to be a cert.
I'm sure this kind of name-calling will result in a Labour landslide. It's never worked before so this this time it has to be a cert.
im just extrapolating from the last vote weve had
Ive yet to see anything, from politicians on social media or indeed on here to make me think my razor sharp analysis is wrong.... 😉
Every time you see him in the line-up with the other G8 foreign ministers, the cringe is massive. There's more going on in the UK's rapidly contracting sphere of influence than Brexit, and Boris, wherever possible, will **** it up for us.If only we vote for Labour then we can have Diane Abbott representing us instead. Even when the Tory option is bad the Labour option is still worse.
slow clap for dragon
-see Borris' [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39730685 ]latest promise to bomb Syria if Trump tells us to[/url]
just shows that he really is the best man for the job
lest we forget
Tony Blairs vote for war in Iraq was almost lost because 150 labour MPs rebelled & the Lib Dems voted against ,
but it was saved[b] because 9 out of 10 of the Tory opposition backed him [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of_Iraq ](including Theresa May & Borris Johnson )[/url][/b] and here we are...
A never ending cycle of violence and terror attacks across Europe a series of failed states accross the middle east, a million? dead and millions more refugees displaced...
Corbyn & Abbot were on the right side of history then, but the usual Tory hard on for war remains
my issue is with her lack of integrety and honesty right from the start
Why? Did she fiddle her election campaign expenses? Or was that someone else?
BTW I haven't seen anything about what the Labour Party are up to today
They've been threatening to bomb Syria without parliamentary approval. Oh no. Sorry. That was someone else.
Corbyn & Abbot were on the right side of history, no they weren't, ISIS would have control of Iraq by now if it had been left to them.
Well you all have a chance to make your mark on June 8th
I'll make my mark (maybe not for Corbyn), but realistically it'll be as effective as a fart in a hurricane.
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk gives the Tories a 94% chance of winning in my constituency and I doubt that is likely to change any time soon.
That's one of the main reasons I've never bought into the whole "sovereignty" and "take back control" arguments: my vote is essentially meaningless here anyway.
no they weren't, ISIS would have control of Iraq by now if it had been left to them.
Actually I think you'll find that Saddam would still be in control of iraq now of they'd got their way...
But keep talking rubbish, it's entertaining 😉
And surely they would have been ISII anyway?
[quote> http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk gives the Tories a 94% chance of winning in my constituency and I doubt that is likely to change any time soon.Yep - 93% Tory here too. I'll still make the effort though.
I suppose, but I fear the OAP little englanders will rule the day
What about all the Scottish, Welsh and NI votes for Brexit ? Looks like Tories will see more votes in Wales than Labour and a vey clear second place to the SNP in Scotland ?
They've been threatening to bomb Syria without parliamentary approval
It's never been required, Cameron introduced the practice of seeking approval for such action. Before it was ad-hoc. Not responding to the use of Chenical weapons on civilians when the Government has already effectively won the civil war would be pretty disgraceful imho. Of course Jezza would be over there calling Hezbollah (Assad's ally) his friends, maybe even Assad himself.
Of course Jezza would be over there calling Hezbollah (Assad's ally) his friends, maybe even Assad himself.
#jambafact
And yet the Tories enabled Blair in his Iraq war while Jeremy opposed it...
He supported a peaceful resolution to Ireland and that's what we have
The Tories opposed it
The wrong side of history seems to be the default Tory setting
The man is an absolute joke, his latest bright idea is he won't do the TV debate if may doesn't.
I hope the debate still goes ahead so we can have an hour of Farron next to two empty seats calling them out for the cowards they are.
Of course Jezza would be over there calling Hezbollah (Assad's ally) his friends, maybe even Assad himself.
Jus'saying. 🙂
I hope the debate still goes ahead so we can have an hour of Farron next to two empty seats
He'd still lose.
Just watching channel 4 news, May has obviously taken her cue from Jezza, and his desire to only ever attend public events if they're only attanded by members of Momentum
She gets driven in somewhere, makes a speech for the cameras in front of Party loyalists, and grinning toady's, waving placards, then it's back in the car, and back off to Westminster.
Apparently it was Leeds today. But all of them might as well have been shot in the same studio down the road from number 10. Or the same event, same sound bites, played on repeat
Jezzas are the same, just with different coloured placards.
Perish the thought either of them might actually encounter a voter who wasn't a fully paid up member of their weird cults
It's going to be a long 6 weeks
To be fair to Jezza, he's nowhere near the frit that May is showing herself to be. In other news about May, more and more MPs are calling her "mummy". Creepy bitty-boys.
why is this such a bad idea - sorry make him a joke?The man is an absolute joke, his latest bright idea is he won't do the TV debate if may doesn't.
It's going to be a long 6 weeks
Indeed. Our elections are increasingly looking like those in the US, pointless showboating debates, placard waving loyalists ideally placed behind the speaker so we can all see them etc ...
At least the French are still throwing flour and eggs
binners - MemberPerish the thought either of them might actually encounter a voter who wasn't a fully paid up member of their weird cults
Don't believe everything you think, channel 4 was out doorstepping with Corbyn today. He looked like he was selling avon but still.
If they play the debate right it could be a very smart move- basically claim victory by default, Theresa May was too scared to turn up and there's no point playing the knocked out semi-finalists. Takes away all the risks while still making it May's problem. Remains to be seen if they manage any of that, doesn't really look like it tbh
I heard that as well Bravissimo.
Let's be honest.... is anyone remotely surprised that a bunch of public schoolboys are embracing their weird, deviant, emotionally constipated feelings about matron?
The scary thing is that they're so dysfunctional and ****ed up, that even with all their media coaching, they still think that it's that's the behaviour of a normal person, and wouldnt come across as just really really creepy
He supported a peaceful resolution to Ireland
The current Labour leadership supported a peaceful resolution to Ireland, but they only wanted peace *after* terrorism had prevailed and "bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands" had "brought Britain to the negotiating table."
Saying the current Labour leadership supported peace in Ireland is a bit like saying the RAF supported peace with Germany. I'm sure they did - but only after they'd won!
The quote with a bit more context:
“It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA. Because of the bravery of the IRA and people like Bobby Sands, we now have a peace process.”
his latest bright idea is he won't do the TV debate if may doesn't.
I think he's right not to. Why would he want to give Lucas/Farron/Nuttall/Bartley a stage to (perhaps) shine from? The only way Corbyn can potentially win votes in a debate is if May turns up. If she doesn't he shouldn't do it for many of the same reasons that May shouldn't.
Dont worry fella. I'm sure we're about to be getting very familiar with comrade Corbyns previous statements on the IRA, Hamas etc. Predictably under hysterical headlines like [b]TRAITOR!!!![/b] in the Mail, Sun et al
"Dont worry fella. I'm sure we're about to be getting very familiar with comrade Corbyns previous statements on the IRA, Hamas etc."
Agree. Mind you I'm suprised how little of this there's been so far. One YouTube vid doesn't seem much.
Early doors, I guess.
They've been more than happy to leave him where he is as it suits them perfectly. A totally hopeless labour leader. He's all their birthdays and Christmases come at once. The gift that never stops giving
Now? With an election on? It's open season! They're going to crucify him! And they're going to do it with all the mindless 6th form shit he's been spouting for the last 3 decades
Predictably under hysterical headlines like TRAITOR!!!! in the Mail, Sun et al
enemies of the people like corbyn must not get in the way the [s]Sun/Daily Mail's etc[/s] Theresa May's glorious future
and the gullible will lap it up...
and the gullible will lap it up...
Were the Labour party gullible for the 30 odd years when they thought he was such a liability they wouldn't let him near the most junior of (often shadow) ministerial roles. ....and only now have they de-gullibled(tm) & realized he's a first class political talent who should be leader?
Seems more likely to me that rather than gullible they called it right and the more savvy members/MPs are still calling it right. He was an embarrassing liability in 1983 and he still is now.
. He was an embarrassing liability in 1983 and he still is now.
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quick make him foreign sec
I don't think Boris is foreign sec due to any talent for the role.
He's foreign sec to take the blame if Brexit fails to happen, or is a disaster.
...but not the credit if it goes well.
PS: May was home sec, of course.
[quote> http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk gives the Tories a 94% chance of winning in my constituency and I doubt that is likely to change any time soon.
Yep - 93% Tory here too.
Don't let that get you down - they were quoting those sort of numbers about Clinton a few months back, but did Donald's supporters just give up?... 😀
A paragraph from The Spectator. I didn't see any civerage of Corbyn's speech
But all of this is beside the point. Whether or not you understand what the term mugwump means (and today's Coffee Shots podcast should go some way to helping with this), Johnson successfully managed to steer the conversation. This meant Corbyn's campaign trip to Essex today to pledge to build a million new homes over five years had to play second fiddle. [b]Like it or not, it’s a simple truth that people are more likely to be talking about mugwumps this evening than housing policies[/b].
Small wager Corbyn tries to avoid being filmed singing The Red Flag on May Day. Even the Marxists in Labour kniw that's electoral suicide.
[url= http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/so-much-bullshit-in-just-one-sentence.html?m=1 ]And in other news... Strong and stable Government [/url]
Like it or not, it’s a simple truth that people are more likely to be talking about mugwumps this evening than housing policies.
Childish name-calling trumps actual policy discussion.
And you seem quite pleased about it.
Such is the wonder of modern populist soundbite politics. 🙁
Childish name-calling trumps actual policy discussion.
And you seem quite pleased about it.Such is the wonder of modern populist soundbite politics.
+1000
It's a ****ing joke to be honest. It shows how the likes of jamba just thinks it's all a big game. It's not like there aren't serious implications for the whole country (that's everyone by the way...not just those who Labour would seek to keep happy) as a result of this election.
Childish name-calling trumps actual policy discussion.
+1000 It's a **** joke to be honest. It's not like there aren't serious implications for the whole country
So why are you both talking about Boris ravings rather than housing policy?
Fair point oob. I didn't claim it wasn't an effective tactic! 😀
"Fair point oob. I didn't claim it wasn't an effective tactic!"
😀
I sometimes think Corbyn goes on too much about protecting the disabled etc (ie we know your a lefty Corbyn reach out to the middle) but when you read how much the Tories have ****ed over disabled people its beyond the pale.
when you read how much the Tories have **** over disabled people its beyond the pale.
Voters wanted NHS spending ring fenced. If you ring fence one of your biggest budget items then everything else gets decimated.
Not the Tories fault, it's voters.
So why are you both talking about Boris ravings rather than housing policy?
I'll add that to the list of outofbreath's dumb questions that he thinks are clever.
It's a long list to be fair.
Childish name-calling trumps actual policy discussion.And you seem quite pleased about it.
Such is the wonder of modern populist soundbite politics.
Indeed. I've never seen such as smokescreen being generated as right now. May knows that theres nothing but Brexit going on for the next few years. Once this process gets underway thats all any politicians and civil servants are going to be doing.No time for anything else. And whats more, she knows full well its going to be a *ing disaster. Merkel made that clear yesterday.
But in the midst of this upcoming catastrophe, the usual suspects will no doubt increase their wealth substantially, and increase their grip on power, thus rapidly increasing the already gross inequality in our *ed up society.
So her obedient press, who have the same agenda (their owners being the aforementioned beneficiaries) are happy to report her idiot cabinet cabinet colleagues comments as news. in fact they'll report cats up ****ing trees as news rather than focus on whats actually taking place... nothing! No policies. No detail about Brrexit in any way shape or form. Silence on anything of substance. Certainly no chance of bumping into anyone who isn't a fully paid up apparatchik. Just stage-managed, endlessly repeated, vacuous, meaningless soundbites.
What I do find most worrying is the capitulation of the BBC to this agenda. They lead with this non-story on all its broadcasts yesterday. In a very short space of time the BBC has gone from a credible news source to a neutered, cowed joke, having its agenda dictated to it by the Daily Mail and the Tory Right
"happy to report her idiot cabinet cabinet colleagues comments as news"
Yup, this drives me mad. I would never know what appears in the gutter press unless the 'proper' media and Facebook friends (and often STW posters) didn't talk about it.
Moreover, the hits the needless coverage generates is the sole reason it's profitable to generate this dross.
But in the midst of this upcoming catastrophe, the usual suspects will no doubt increase their wealth substantially, and increase their grip on power, thus rapidly increasing the already gross inequality in our ****ed up society.
Of course - we have voted for them to take back control. Wasn't that the idea?
What I do find most worrying is the capitulation of the BBC to this agenda
The BBC news headlines a couple of days ago referred to "Labour's nonsensical policies" without making it clear that they were quoting some Tory or other.
Just remember it's no about policies it's about winning an election, the policies come after that. Look at the coverage of the silly name calling, it's not just the Tory press but the BBC and the Guardian giving Boris the hype for his latest stupid comment (or tactical distraction).
If Labour keep plugging away on the Policies and ignore the Boris the messages will eventually get through but they need to counter with there own twit.
@dd did you see my post where I was agreeing with binners about how this was going to be a long 6 weeks given how UK elections have descended towards US levels of superficialness ? It is however what it is, complaining about the game is pointless. Its about winning.
The BBC are going out of their way to be balanced towards Corbyn whilst we all know (as do they) he is a joke. Of course the election is serious but Corbyn was never a serious choice as leader. The "members" elected a political joke and he is delivering the goods.
Electoral predictor for my constituency is 82% Tory, UKIP voters switching to Con outnumbering Labour to Lib Dems for an increased majority. This is a seat which the Lib Dems held till 2015.
Its about winning.
Yep. Nothing to do with the electors making an informed decision - that's so "democratic".
Binners Merkel is posturing for her own election, once that's done we the serious negotiations can begin.
Democracy is about winning the election so you get to be in charge.
I well remember Labour grandees pointing out in the leadership campaign that you can't achieve anything in opposition, you have to win the elections. Corbyn voters didn't care.
But... but... they're ganging up on us already. its SOOOOOOOOO not fair!!! The slimy, devious European bastards!!!!! I told you they couldn't be trusted
I believe that was a direct quote from Theresa yesterday, wasn't it? I'm sure it'll tip the balance further in our favour once the negotiations start.
Someone more cynical than me might refer to that as 'getting your excuses in early'
I well remember Labour grandees pointing out in the leadership campaign that you can't achieve anything in opposition, you have to win the elections. Corbyn voters didn't care.
As long as they get to bunk off 6th form for the odd day to go and wave their placards, they're happy. Bless 'em!
"Yep. Nothing to do with the electors making an informed decision - that's so "democratic"."
Free press will only print what sells best which is dross.
Politicians in a democracy will aim to win votes which means following the whims of the voters.
What's the alternative? Benign dictatorships are thin on the ground.
Democracy is about winning the election so you get to be in charge.
Really? I thought it had to do with rule by the people, or something - not duping the people so you get to line your own pockets.
What's the alternative?
Oh, I dunno - telling the truth? Or is that too obvious?
Benign dictatorships are thin on the ground.
Looks like we'll be having a go at one!
If the election proceeds as predicted then England won't be far off a one party state.
Free press will only print what sells best which is dross.
its far worse than that. Pretty much our entire countries press is owned by foreign tax-avoiders who hold an unhealthy grip over those in power, or in the case of the Tory Right very much share their self-interested agenda. As this cartel have what is almost a monopoly, and independent news organisations like the BBC have effectively been neutered, what they're publishing at the moment is little short of propaganda.
If the election proceeds as predicted then England won't be far off a one party state.
i don't doubt for a second that the Maybots decision to call an election was done with the express intention of creating this. She's terrifyingly authoritarian, and anti-democratic. As are her friends in the press. If she gets the huge majority predicted, and the Labour party implodes, I dread to think what they'll set about doing. Brexit supplies them with a blank sheet of paper to effectively re-write the constitution.
Take a look at the people pulling the strings, the people funding them... who's interests do you think they'll be catering to exclusively as they tear up the post-war settlement?
this election is the most important in my lifetime, because I fear it will lead to the end of so much we've taken for granted for decades, and the re-shaping of our society into a corporate state, and a playground for rich tax-avoiders. To the total detriment of everyone else obviously.
The fact that the present Labour leadership, or the pathetic, spineless PLP seems to have singularly failed to grasp this, while they squabble with each other, is a gross dereliction of duty that will lead their descent into irrelevance at the exact point when they've never been needed more
She's terrifyingly authoritarian, and anti-democratic
Own Goal.
May held a Parliamentary vote on calling a General Election, you knkw that thing where the people vote for who should be in charge 8)
and anti-democratic
Yeah, calling a general election where voters can kick the government out, evil Tories.
Mummmmmmmyyyyyyyyy!!! 🙁
And if anybody was able to recognise an own goal, it would be you.
Me, I shoot, I score. I mean like everytime. It's uncanny 🙂
At the time she called it* we had fixed term parliaments and she did it as she expects to win
We can discuss this on purely partisan lines if you like but essentially she is authotarian, respectign democracy and being opportunistic
I am not sure any of these are bad skills in a politician though we may not admire them
* her announcement would support the authoritarian claim as much as it will democratic
I have just chaired a meeting of the Cabinet, where we agreed that the Government should call a general election, to be held on June 8."I want to explain the reasons for that decision, what will happen next and the choice facing the British people when you come to vote in this election