Hold the Tories in check!!!!!!!!! Really.
Don't need to watch that vid to know it contains the line "... and then you've got your Peak Freen Trotsky assortment". Like a bit of Young Ones. 🙂
5thElefant - MemberHe's a centre-left moderate.
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Well it should be extraordinarily easy for you to list all the policies which Corbyn supports that makes him a hard-left Trotskyite.
Don't spend too much time on it 5thElefant, as there's presumably so much to choose from just half a dozen or so will do it.
Or is your belief that Corbyn is a hard-left Trotskyite simply based on the fact that the Daily Mail or Daily Telegraph keeps telling you he is ?
And please don't tell me that you don't know his policies, that won't explain how you know that they are all hard-left Trotskyite policies.
Go on, do it .......prove me and clodhopper wrong.
binners - Member"He's a centre-left moderate".
Just one who refuses to sing the national anthem and is an advocate of unilateral nuclear disarmament
So what is he ....... an SNP member or a hard-left Trotskyite ?
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Don't tell me..........the SNP is a hard-left Trotskyite party ?
He appears to think he's a sixth former. Certainly couldn't be SNP. People vote for them.
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Go on, do it .......prove me and clodhopper wrong.
The majority of the labour MPs are centre left. 170-odd of them. JC is to the left of them.
That was easy.
The majority of the PLP is centre left. 170=odd of them. JC is to the left of them.That was easy.
If that were not so it would be pretty hard to explain everything that's happened since McDonnell/Abbot/JC et al got together and agreed JC would stand.
Well it should be extraordinarily easy for you to list all the policies which Corbyn supports that makes him a hard-left Trotskyite.
If only he hadn't deleted the entire back catalogue of his musings from his website...
@Binners:
if it looks like a Miilitant Tendency, shouts like a Miilitant Tendency, and throws bricks through windows like a Miilitant Tendency, then its probably.....
I don't think that Jezza's electoral plans are even that high are they?
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" mean the window that was right next to her office, that coincidently had the brick thrown through it the day after she announced her challange to corbyn."
So where's the evidence it was her office that was targeted? Was the window 'right next to her office'? Images online show the actual window in question, with what appears to be a boarded up window next to it. According to various media reports, her actual office window had Labour campaign materials in it. I accept that it's a coincidence, but without any hard evidence, I think it's wrong to claim that it was indeed an attack by Corbyn supporters.
"And members of her staff had received enough threats for the police to issue that warning that she should cancel her surgeries."The Merseyside police and crime commissioner, Jane Kennedy , said members of the “hard left” were creating a climate that encouraged such attacks and said the building, which also houses other businesses, would be given “special attention” by police. "
Again, is there any actual evidence of such threats?
Let's have a look at the Merseyside police and crime commissioner, Jane Kennedy, shall we?
Former MP for Liverpool Broadgreen, then Liverpool Waverly. A Blairite, she voted in favour of the illegal Iraq war, and against the subsequent investigation into that war, has voted against a wholly elected upper house in Parliament, has voted for stricter immigration controls, for fox hunting, and for the replacment of Trident. Ms Kennedy is a member of Labour Friends of Israel and a former group chair.
I think it's safe to say Ms Kennedy is not a Corbynite. Her views are not representative of actual police policy.
I suspect her personal involvement in this matter isn't entirely from a neutral standpoint. 😉
"The majority of the labour MPs are centre left."
They're not, but if you chose to believe that, then it's entirely up to you.
Have another try.
They're not, but if you chose to believe that, then it's entirely up to you.
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5thElefant - MemberThe majority of the labour MPs are centre left. 170-odd of them. JC is to the left of them.
That was easy.
Apparently listing just a few of Corbyn's hard-left Trotskyite policies is so difficult that you couldn't manage to think of any.
The majority of the Labour MPs have never accused Corbyn of being a Trotskyite, they haven't even accused him of being hard-left, in fact it is extremely significant that they haven't criticized any of his beliefs.
They are however extremely critical of his performance during Prime Minister's Question Time. Apparently they are willing to split the party over the issue.
Actually, I've just given you proof that at least one former Labour MP is really quite right wing, up there^. Her views and voting history is shared by many current Labour MPs. Voting for war, against immigration, against democratic progress and supporting a nation with an extremely right wing regime, is hardly the behaviour of a 'centre left' MP. 😆
Apparently listing just a few of Corbyn's hard-left Trotskyite policies is so difficult that you couldn't manage to think of any.
I think you may be confusing me for someone else. I have never typed Trotskyite. Well I have now. JC is not centre left. Not unless you consider labour to be a right wing party (like clodhopper).
If I were the leadership of the Conservative Party, I'd be trying to think of a reasonable excuse to hold a snap election after the recess and consign the Labour Party to history...
"JC is not centre left"
He is. It doesn't really matter that you don't think he is. The actual facts are what's relevant, not your misguided opinion.
Interesting that the critics of Corbyn on here seem unable to answer simple questions asked of them. I'm still waiting for Binners to explain how everything's going to be wonderful if Owen Smith is elected Labour leader. 🙄
He is.
Listen to the first few minutes of this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07jyrdn
He was put up in a meeting of non-centrists specifically to be the token hard left candidate. He got 'lent' nominations by centrists to give a voice to the left. Thousands of people have rushed to join the party to vote for him - they haven't done that because he's a centrist.
There is no way to explain the events of the last year or so if Corbyn is a centrist.
Just out of interest, on the issue of competency, Phillip Green has been savaged today for effectively asset stripping BHS, leaving the pension fund with a huge deficit, and thousands losing their jobs, while paying himself billions in dividends (which he paid no tax on) and revealing the shocking state of modern British Capitalism.
Theresa May (she's the Tory business friendly one, remember) has come out and condemned this as 'the unacceptable face of capitalism' and stated that Phillip Green should make up the shortfall in pension contributions.
Anyone heard anything from the labour party? Remember them? That champion of workers rights?
No?
Surely they'd have something to say on this?
No...?
Anyone...?
Bueller...?
Bueller...?
Bueller...?
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"Thousands of people have rushed to join the party to vote for him - they haven't done that because he's a centrist."
They've voted for him because he's a moderate centre-lefty. Not because he's a 'Trotskyite'.
5thElefant - MemberI think you may be confusing me for someone else. I have never typed Trotskyite. Well I have now. JC is not centre left.
Well what is he then ?
It would be interesting to know as Owen Smith, who is supported by the majority of Labour MPs - whose opinions you apparently value, claims to bit every bit as left-wing as Corbyn. He also claims however to have better presentation skills than Corbyn.
He sounds as if he might be a more dangerous left-winger !
In his own words :
[i]I am on the left of the Labour Party, I share many of Jeremy's values but I think I can talk about modernising those values, I think I can talk about Labour's future, in a way in which no other candidate, including Angela, can,"[/i] speaking to Channel 4 News on 13 July,.
"Anyone heard anything from the labour party? That champion of workers rights?"
Old news:
Thousands of people have rushed to join the party to vote for him - they haven't done that because he's a centrist
Half of all Labour Party members voted for Corbyn to become leader - are half of Labour Party members all left-wingers ? Is there no centre ?
If you think Corbyn got elected leader because he is left-wing then you don't understand what's happened.
Clodhopper. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that not all the British electorate read the Labourlist website? And yet they're not just speaking to their own echo chamber, are they?
The Labour party have said eff all today about something that is an open goal for them. Or certainly bloody should be!!! Phillip Green is 'the enemy'. He's a turbo-capitalist asset stripper who is clearly the enemy of the workers.
But ....
nothing.
Not a bloody word!
Even Theresa May has come out and condemned him FFS!!!
And thats what's considered as being an effective opposition, is it? When you can't even muster making a statement on a day where the Tory wet dream of unfettered neoliberal capitalism is looking as shabby and threadbare as this.
Instead... the silence is deafening. So this actually manages to make it look like the Tory's are more concerned for workers that labour
Jesus ****ing christ! If you regard that as political competence....?
Old news:
That's a bit unfair clodhopper, when binners asks [i]"Anyone heard anything from the labour party? Remember them? That champion of workers rights?"[/i] he has a point.
Most Labour MPs would rather go on strike and not take up shadow minister positions to attack the Tories, preferring instead to, with the help of the media, attack the Labour leader.
Well what is he then ?
Left of centre left? Left wing would do it.
It doesn't matter how many Labour Party supporters, er, support him.
He won't carry that level of popularity into the country in a General Election and will lose. Just the same way all the other Labour leaders have lost, who the bulk of the conservative-minded English electorate percieved to be "Left Wing"...
"Labour, the Wilderness years." Chapter, oooh, I lost count...
a statement on a day where the Tory wet dream of unfettered neoliberal capitalism is looking as shabby and threadbare as this.
Theresa May is a Corporatist who believes in the control of the economy from Government.
The dreaming MP's you describe are, in fact, very few.
Which is actually the problem.
"Clodhopper. I'm going to go out on a limb here..."
And actually answer my question? 😮
Ah, no. Some nonsense about Labour not saying something you wanted them to say (have they been asked for a statement yet?).
You keep banging on about Corbyn, yet fail to answer a simple question. It's incredible to think that you've been posting countless thousands of words on this thread for [i]over a year[/i]. 😯 Yet in all that time, it doesn't appear that you've actually said anything of any real note or value. Monkeys and typewriters? I'm not so sure...
Most Labour MPs would rather go on strike and not take up shadow minister positions to attack the Tories, preferring instead to, with the help of the media, attack the Labour leader.
I'm not on anyones side here. There are no winners here. Apart from Sir Phillip. Certainly not the pensioners. Its a ****ing shambles! An absolute car crash!
But this on Corbny's watch. He's the leader. Allegedly. And he can't even muster someone - anyone - to get out there in the media and make a statement, when gifted a political open goal like this?
Seriously? No-one?
Phillip Green was appointed as an advisor to David Camerons government. An advisor about cuts to the public sector. Yes... really. You couldn't make it up
And yet the present Labour leadership is so utterly clueless that they're not that bothered about getting on the news broadcasts and maybe mentioning any of this. Seriously? Its an absolute tragedy. If this is how the official opposition behaves, then there really isn't an opposition at all
Binners; you can't even muster an answer to a simple question, so you're hardly one to criticise others. 😆
You know, if you put as much time and effort inot doing something constructive, as you do on here, you might achieve something.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-36868397
And on that note...
Isn't Frank Field Labour?
5thElefant - Member"Well what is he then ?"
Left of centre left? Left wing would do it.
So you posted a laughing emoticon when clodhopper claimed that Corbyn is left of centre because you think he is left wing ?
Well that's hardly the most hilarious thing I've seen today. Although obviously you found it very funny.
Personally I don't like the term 'left of centre' and I'm suspicious of people who use it. If you are to the left of the centre you are very obviously by definition not at the centre - you are to the left.
Left is [i]always[/i] to the left of the centre, so why even mention it ? It is as unnecessary as saying "to the left of the right".
So you posted a laughing emoticon when clodhopper claimed that Corbyn is left of centre because you think he is left wing ?
No, because he thinks JC is centre left. Which is electable.
As CTK alludes to Frank Field was all over the radio this morning condemning Phillip Green.
Frank Field is the the chair of the Work and Pensions Select Committee which published the report. And this whole thing has got very personal between him and Phillip Green. So he was speaking in that role on the radio this morning. Which is bipartisan and not party political
My point is that if the labour front bench can't see this as an absolute gift - a great big case of ammunition to start attacking the Tory's and their nice cosy relationship with the likes of Phillip Green - then you may as well give up calling yourself an opposition. Because you're clearly not up to the job....
Especially when the only point you do choose to stand up and take a stand about - the only one I can think of recently - is unilateral nuclear disarmament....
Talk about choosing your battles....
Absolutely politically clueless!
Even Ed Miliband would have been all over this one!
binners - Member"Most Labour MPs would rather go on strike and not take up shadow minister positions to attack the Tories, preferring instead to, with the help of the media, attack the Labour leader".
I'm not on anyones side here.
So on this thread you have gone from supporting Corbyn to opposing Corbyn to not being on anyone's side.
Well I suppose that your moderate use of language, your careful calm measured responses, and your reluctance to say what you really mean, makes these subtle changes hard to detect.
My point is that if the labour front bench can't see this as an absolute gift - a great big case of ammunition to start attacking the Tory's and their nice cosy relationship with the likes of Phillip Green
Maybe they're afraid someone might ask what happened to the BHS pension fund between 2000 and 2010?
Well I guess this was to be expected, you can't ignore a contract which has been entered into just because you want to rig an election to stop the favourite from winning.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/25/labour-party-members-abuse-leadership-vote-ian-mcnicol ]Labour sued by members barred from leadership vote[/url]
[i]Kate Harrison, of Harrison Grant, said: “The basis of the claim is that [the members’] entitlement to vote in the leadership election is part of their contract with the Labour party. They all joined when the Labour party website said in terms ‘you will be eligible to vote in leadership elections’.”[/i]
The article also claims :
[i]There are also signs that Corbyn may be slowly winning round some MPs who initially took part in the wave of mass resignations last month. It emerged on Monday that Sarah Champion had asked for her job back as shadow Home Office minister and she had now returned to the frontbench. [/i]
I have long thought that most would eventually fall in line.
On t'Beeb, too -
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36886157 ]Labour MP "unresigns"[/url]
Because you're clearly not up to the job....
If the news is already out, what's the point in standing around the commons jeering at each other about it?
Maybe they're just getting on with doing something a bit less meaningless?
Maybe they're just getting on with doing something a bit less meaningless?
Beautifully sums up the attitude of the Momentum/leftie lot
Not even remotely bothered about the fact that [s]Reg, the Glorious Leader, and Head of the PFJ[/s] Jeremy, the Glorious Leader, and Head of the Momentum, hasn't even tried to land a blow on the [s]Romans[/s] Tory's, even when faced with an open goal, because he's far too preoccupied with stitching up the real enemy. Those bastards in the [s]Popular Peoples Front![/s] PLP
Solidarity Comrade!
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My point is that if the labour front bench can't see this as an absolute gift - a great big case of ammunition to start attacking the Tory's and their nice cosy relationship with the likes of Phillip Green - then you may as well give up calling yourself an opposition. Because you're clearly not up to the job....
Maybe the Labour front bench are worried that that binners will start slagging them off on STW for criticisng Tonly Blair again,after all it was Blair who made him a "Sir".
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http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2006/06/19/sir-philip-green-the-rewards-of-tax-avoidance/
Labour MP unresigns.
I would have thought a Labour MP from Rotherham would possibly be the world's least qualified person to tackle Child Abuse.
Left/right of centre = left / right admittedly the "of centre" is redundant
So he gets to stitch up both the Blairites and the Tory's? A double Whammy?!
And still not a peep?
And apparently he's a politician?
He's not a very good one, is he?
He's not a very good one, is he?
You're joking aren't you? Look at his track record of campaign successes:
Mandela - Free
Apartheid - Finished
Cruise Missiles - Gone
Thatcher - Gone
Reagan - Gone
Ireland - Peace
Iraq - Troops Home
Blair - Gone
Bush - Gone
EEC - Out
NHS - Still Here
All these things [b]entirely[/b] down to Jeremys intervention.
