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tbf since the election campaign was announced ( a whole 4 days ago) the media have been reporting his policies
perhaps because May hasnt released any info about hers?
Since she's taken over, she's specialised in not telling anyone anything at all. Brexit means Brexit
Well there's that one I linked to that you claimed didn't exist for starters.
The only link i can spot is to the FT, call me old fashioned but aren't they the media?
So what policy announcements[b] haven't [/b] been reported by the media? There must be lots, so it should be easy.....
steady on guys she is a christian who hates immigration and will stop it even though it was her job in the home office to do this
THIS TIME SHE MEANS IT
Ok so she might cripple the economy in the process, antagonise world leaders but by god those foreigners wont be coming here in the numbers they were so we can all* feel safer
* all mainly means the old right wing racist morons who prop up the tory party
The only link i can spot is to the FT, call me old fashioned but aren't they the media?So what policy announcements haven't been reported by the media? There must be lots, so it should be easy.....
Are you being deliberately obtuse or just trolling? So one article in a paywalled paper is the media giving reasonable coverage to a major policy announcement?
If your team can't articulate policies effectively, you have to have a bit of a look at your leadership.
Other than bringing back the 1950s concept of grammar schools and GETTING THE JOB DONE on brexit I have no idea what May's policies are. Conversely I know that Corbyn's policy ideas (waiting for manifesto so not policies yet) are:
- Renationalising the railways
- Free school meals for primary school children
- Increase carers allowance
- £10 minimum wage
- Democratisation of the Bank of England
- National Education Service
- Green and Regional Investment banks
- Public Service Providers to be required to have defined maximum pay ratios
- 6 tests for accepting brexit deal
- Scrapping tuition fees
- Reverse corporation tax cuts
I could go on but that will suffice. You can argue about whether these are good or bad policies or how they might be funded, but they look a lot more like policies than 'red white and blue brexit' and all the other drivel that spews from the mouth of Chairman May.
It's not hard to find Labour's Top 10 pledges ("policy ideas") on the [url= http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/10-pledges ]Labour website[/url]. Dazh has found 11 🙂 I'm still gobsmacked that Labour sent a completely unprepared MP onto Radio 4 who didn't mention one of these. Maybe they've all been instructed to keep quiet when asked about policies (as opposed to pledges) until the manifesto is out. If that's the case, best to keep them locked away rather than make an idiot of themselves (and Labour).
It's not hard to find Labour's Top 10 pledges ("policy ideas") on the Labour website
I've just tried searching google for 'conservative policies' and the top 3 results are from 2015 🙂
There seems to be another car crash interview unfolding on the Daily Politics from the Labour Schools minister.
He wants reduced class sizes but can't put a figure on it. Apparently it's all going to be announced next week along with costings so why try and sell it this week FFS if you can't give any answers.
Sigh.
What do you think about this big_n_daft?
Presumably all Corbyn's fault too?
So this morning Corbyn has confirmed that labour will abolish zero-hours contracts and Chairman May has emailed her MPs to ask for ideas to put in their manifesto. So remind me again which party has no policies?
Dazh - apparently it's going to be a 'rolling' manifesto from Labour. Which I hope doesn't basically involve annoucing some policy, getting ridiculed and then 're-announcing' an improvement.
Dazh - apparently it's going to be a 'rolling' manifesto from Labour.
Great idea. It maintains momentum and keeps them in the news. I'm almost beginning to think labour have some sort of strategy. And so far CM has been conspicuously absent.
Which I hope doesn't basically involve annoucing some policy, getting ridiculed
[url= https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/85102/poll-shows-public-support-jeremy ]Presumably not by the majority of people who actually agree with them?[/url]
I reckon this has been the plan all along..
The Eton mafia realise that they're losing their grip and that folk are demanding a fairer more transparent form of government..
They put up Corbyn to lead society into a new dawn but hadn't figured on the press corps sabotage, so they've given us another year of outrageous Tory evil just to focus the collective consciousness..
Brexit was an anomaly as nobody had forseen the low IQ of the populace, but the new fairer society is back on track as Corbs romps in on June 8th.. Good times! 🙂
I wish people would stop believing that the plan isn't already very clearly laid out!
> http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.htmlPresumably all Corbyn's fault too?
Can't see the right wingers on here believing that as the analysis was LSE (a well known bunch of lefties). They can't be trusted...
Dazh - apparently it's going to be a 'rolling' manifesto from Labour. Which I hope doesn't basically involve annoucing some policy, getting ridiculed and then 're-announcing' an improvement.
To be fair, as a practice it's not restricted to one party
Once the plan has been actuated, all that left/right nonsense will be consigned to the history books..
With all the info harvested from the net about your average citizen, the algorithms have concluded that the only people still interested in that sort of divisive nonsense are ageing radical types with very little perspective or purpose in their lives..
Sounds great, yunki!
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Renationalise railways? Not a hope; it would be a multi-year programme which would not be completed in a 5 year term. The rail operating companies (ROCs) have different durations & end dates; there is no universal 'break clause'. All rolling stock is owned by the operators. What about the freight operators (FOCs)?
IF labour wins and attempts to implement the ROCs & TOCs will freeze investment. Good news for Bombardier in derby and Toshiba(?) in newton aycliffe.
Democratise the BoE. What does that mean?
The existing Green bank is being sold to MacQuarrie.
Reverse corporation tax cuts? Small company formations in uk are increasing steadily. Owners moving from employed to self-employed; they won't vote for increased corporation tax.
Public service providers & max pay ratios - how? Increase low pay or reduce high pay or some combination? Either increase costs or risk losing 'talent'.
National Education Service; which means...what? Top down imposition of one size fits all 'policy'.
Without some detail to explain/support any of these and the others in dazh's list these are nothing more than words in a bulleted list.
When will any leading politician address the elephant in the room - the NHS with a constructive and focussed attitude?
A grown-up and non-political discussion about what we want from the NHS - what are we willing to pay and then live with the best that level of funding can provide OR what service do we need now - and will need over the next 30/40 years - cost it and then look at how it can be funded.
No stealth sales to private companies.
ageing radical types with very little perspective or purpose in their lives..
Take offence at that. I have loads of perspective.
Fantastic article in the Staggers:
http://www.newstatesman.com/labour-bus-jeremy-corbyn-memes
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Moaning about media bias and journalist pointing out JC has highly dubious "friends" is unfair???
Then states
Surveys consistently show that a very large majority of UK citizens (and by extension newspaper and TV audiences) do not trust politicians and journalists at all – a mere 20-25 per cent of people believe that [b]journalists [/b]and politicians tell the truth.
So moaning about stuff that people don't believe????
Journalists – and the media organisations they represent – have an ethical and dare I say democratic obligation to address this high degree of distrust.
No obligation on politicians then??
Article would have got red penned to death if presented by a student
Moaning about media bias and journalist pointing out JC has highly dubious "friends" is unfair???
As I've already pointed out, when Tory hero Margaret Thatcher has much worse friends, and our government is toadying up to literally some of the worst rulers in the world, then yes it is completely unfair to harp on about him as if he's some kind of terrorist-supporter. Pinochet killed thousands, tortured thousands more, locked up thousands more without trial - Maggie considered him a great friend even after all this became public knowledge.
So moaning about stuff that people don't believe????
People don't trust journalists but they still set the agenda for what is considered 'news'.
No obligation on politicians then??
Whataboutery.
Article would have got red penned to death if presented by a student
Why?
Margaret Thatcher has much worse friends
Does she?
CFH why do you even bother posting in these threads when all you do is troll?
Fine, 'had' - well done, great point, really well made. *sigh*
Corbyn has very very few real polices. What he does have is an idea for his socialist utopia. Thats all a bit like "kinder gentler politics" which we hear little about now post all the racism issues Labour have so badly mismanaged and the agressive de-selection threats.
Labour are going to be crushed. The real question is what happens after the GE. If they don't change direction Labour in England is going to look like Labour in Scotland.
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Corbyn has very very few real polices.
Ah so now we're talking about 'real' policies. So tell me what is real about 'Red white and blue brexit'?
What he does have is an idea for his socialist utopia.
Yes because middle of the road policies like bringing the failed railways back into public ownership is hopelessly utopian, whereas ripping up 40 years of economic, cultural and political cooperation with our nearest neighbours in a misguided effort to revive a long-dead empire is entirely pragmatic and rational. You really never fail to amaze me with your lack of grasp on reality 🙂
CFH are you laughing at how hilarious it is for jambalaya to claim that Labour have a problem with racism when one of their leading politicians published an article saying black people have lower IQs, and called black people 'picanninies' with 'watermelon smiles'.?
Or when David Cameron tried to make out Sadiq Khan was a terrorist sympathiser because he's got a dark skin and a foriegn sounding name? Or when he went on a jolly to apartheid era South Africa.
Or the Tory councillor who said there were too many ****s in his town and wasn't reprimanded in any way?
Or when Oliver Letwin said black people had “bad moral attitudes”, and said schemes to help black people would be spent in “the disco and drugs trade” and employment programmes would only see black people “graduate … into unemployment and crime”.
The Conservative Party took no disciplinary action and Mr Letwin remains a government minister.
But yeah, it's Labour that has a problem with racism.
No. Was laughing at having tweaked your ire a little.
Childish fun. Sorry.
Corbyn has very very few real polices.
kinda like May's redwhitebluebrexitmeansbrexit brexit plans?
If molgrips is in North Cardiff today, he can go and visit Corbyn a bit later.
Genius idea by the Labour PR team to get Corbyn to talk about school sizes in England while visiting Wales 😯
Successful troll is successful. Well done you.
Pinochet killed thousands, tortured thousands more, locked up thousands more without trial
Because of course Pinochet, for all his faults, existed in a vaccum?
No surprise that you would be a Pinochet fan ninfan.
@dragon - yes, a masterpiece of planning '...... the number of infants in large classes had risen by 18% in three years in Wales.'
Then consider a BBC reality check - 1% of class sizes in english primary schools exceed the maximum; that doesn't suggest any great cause for concern.
A problem for all parties is that fact checking is now robust and through t'interweb past statements can be used to compare/contrast with shiny new policies.
I am really saddened by what the labour party has become; I will vote for Hilary Benn as he is a good constituency MP and represents what used to be good about labour. As we all know he was unacceptable to comrade jezza and fellow travellers so he was marginalised by them but he is still doing good work in chairing the brexit select committee. Wish there more like him.
He was marginalised by them because he was constantly undermining and plotting against the democratically elected leader of his party.
He was marginalised by them because he was constantly undermining and plotting against the democratically elected leader of his party.
Sounds familiar.
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Margaret Thatcher has much worse friends
Does she?
She does now.
Satan.
so he was marginalised by them
He marginalised himself first with his brazenly opportunistic support for bombing Syria in order to position himself as the next labour leader, and then put the final nail in his own coffin with his incompetently executed and ridiculously ill-timed putsch following the brexit vote. Before all this Corbyn made him shadow foreign secretary against the advice of many in an effort to build bridges with the moderates on the right. So please, put the violin away, Hillary Benn's position is entirely of his own making.
frankconway - MemberThen consider a BBC reality check - 1% of class sizes in english primary schools exceed the maximum; that doesn't suggest any great cause for concern.
Describing that as "robust fact checking" is ridiculous. It's not really fact checking at all- it doesn't address the argument. Even if [i]all[/i] schools were within capacity today an 18% rise over 3 years could overwhelm that.
So- actual fact checking. What capacity remains in the system, will the current increase continue, will current capacity be maintained. How many classes are over the maximum today isn't a critical factor (and that should be 0% of course) but still, how far over are they?
"That bath's going to overflow" "We robustly fact checked this and only 1% of baths are currently overflowing"
Where do you stand on Pinochet CFH?
You're welcome to your opinions chaps.
Dez - no violin from me; your endless corbyn cheerleading is tiresome.
Corbs has been working hard to get out the youth vote today, its key to his chances
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your endless corbyn cheerleading is tiresome
Always been an agnostic. I just don't go in for the silly loony left hysteria or ridiculous caricatures. If you look back through my comments you'll see I agree with the majority that he's not the right leader to win power back for labour. I do however largely agree with the policies.
Most of the people on here defending Corbyn don't even think he's that great. They're just tired of the outrageous bullshit that gets slung at him on a constant basis. It really is unprecedented.
I don't know how pervasive it is down south but up here it's the law, if you're campaigning you go to a primary school and get videoed talking to kids. It's really funny, because Nicola Sturgeon always looks terrified because she was clearly never a child, the kids always look terrified of Ruth Davidson while she's obviously having a great time painting stuff with her feet, and Kezia Dugdale... well, it makes you realise she'd be a great primary school teacher. And next time you hear her speaking to parliament in exactly the same way as she speaks to a 5 year old, you're just done. "We don't like the SNP do we boys and girls? They're mean"
That picture with Corbyn's fantastic. "It's a ****ing bear kids! This book's AMAZING". You know he made the same facial expression when he got elected leader- "Yes, I know I said I'd go on a bear hunt but only because I thought there was no chance we'd find one"
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any view on may changing her mind on holding an election what with it being a very recent and quick reversal of opinion
Oh how I have missed your pithy lightweight interventions into political threads
My MP called Italians "greasy wops"
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7454545.stm ]Alun Cairns[/url]
No seats in the packed classroom so he had to sit on the floor
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Thatcher and Pinochet, 2017's burning election issues.
Grum there are over 50 Labour members suspended due to racism, 1 Tory. Ken Livingstone - Corbyn's very big mate - is the poster boy for Labour's stance on racism. Corbyn could have dealt with the issue immediately post OULC but he just made the situation worse, much worse.
Nationalising the railways is a terrible idea (I hve been a commuter for 30 years). Just think Bob Crown clones running the train service. A disaster and a very expensive one
there are over 50 Labour members suspended due to racism, 1 Tory.
I know the foreign secretary called folk pickannienies with watermelons smiles and not a thing happened to him
Imagine if a labour party member had made racial slurs about jews, nothing happened and he became a cabinet minister.... Still when one party tackles the issue and the other ignores it we know which one to go after eh Jamby.
The reality is both parties have a tiny small minority of racists in them. neither party is inherently racist
But you keep telling us of all the times you have lived abroad and had to apply for visasI hve been a commuter for 30 years
what would you call what we have now cheap and effective 😯A disaster and a very expensive one
I'm currently sitting with 7 people on the floor, 5 standing, just in the vestibule on my 36 mins of pleasure ride home, i pay 5grand a year for the privilege, which is a sizeable chunk of my wages( i earn nowhere near 70 grand!).
Meanwhile Branson is kitesurfing with naked chicks on his back thanks to all those subsidies we pay the train companies.
That's why nationalising the railways is so popular, the profits are privatised but the costs are nationalised already !
Just booking in with East Coast for the first time since it was reprivatised. What's that you say, prices are up by twice the national average and twice the rate of inflation (even leaving aside the fact that they've removed some of the cheaper fare classes entirely)? Punctuality is down 4.9% despite slackening timetables? Customer satisfaction down 5%? And when it was publically run it had the highest customer satisfaction of all long-distance providers?
Still, could be worse, could be Southern.
So you aren't interested in paying the money for a safe service then? You'd rather they cut corners to save a few bob?
The railways have massively improved since they were privatised. They are still far from perfect, but way better than BR. And now they can get on with delivering a good, efficient service without worry about being used as a political football.
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In that case Corbyn is doing a great job and Labour can look forward to a landslide
There is a point where facts shatter our rhetoric
That statement is as far past it as yours
In that case Corbyn is doing a great job and Labour can look forward to a landslide
He is, and they are
Just not necessarily a landslide in their favour 🙂
dragon - MemberSo you aren't interested in paying the money for a safe service then? You'd rather they cut corners to save a few bob?
Wut? Even Virgin don't claim the price increases were to improve safety, and there's no evidence of corner cutting under DOR. Rail safety has been massively improved since Railtrack was binned and the network was renationalised under Network Rail.
BR has been gone for 20 years, lets make meaningful comparisons- like, for example, East Coast and Virgin East Coast, like I did. We actually do have state-owned rail operators all across the UK of course, just that it's France, Germany and the Netherlands.
Just wondering where Corbyn was on Apartheid when the Tories had Mandela down as terrorist scum.
Anyone know?
#Jambas2017burningissues
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big surge on corbyn at the bookies, wasted money are we sure??
at those odds worth a punt
Look at him, the dirty terrorist sympathiser. Imagine someone like that leading an opposition. I'm sure you're as disgusted as the rest of us. 😉
See, even all those years back he was crap at memes
So, ninfan, where was he on Apartheid when you and your likes were branding Mandela terrorist scum? You could try answering one question put to you on this forum...just once.
where was he on Apartheid when you and your likes were branding Mandela terrorist scum?
#Fakenews
Thatcher did more to end apartheid than anyone, Mandela was a communist (he was also a terrorist, but I don't know who you are claiming said he was "terrorist scum" so unless you can provide an actual quote, then I'm calling fake)
Go and educate yourself rather than relying on Sixth form poster campaigns.
http://www.commonwealthoralhistories.org/2015/interview-with-rf-pik-botha/
FRankly, allyouve got is that Thatcher opposed sanctions, because they didn't think they were the best solution (an argument that was confirmed in the Pik Botha interview above) and like all hysterical lefties you've spent thirty years twisting that round into some eternal whinging grievance brigade rally's-cry because you can't get over the fact that she kept winning elections and the left still cant win a single one (and hey... it looks like you're about to see that repeated too)
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Oh bollocks...the likes of Zulu and his fifteen other log-ins really aren't worth it this evening.
How odd, more fake news, I've never been married... (edit, oh, look, you've deleted it after spectacularly missing the mark, once again, he shoots, he misses...how amusing, even funnier to see you pouring out what appears to be years of stored up bile and resentment over someone on the internet and accusing [i]them[/i] of being angry 😉 )
Still, it's not like you wouldn't ever manage to get the details wrong is it... I refer you back to the Pik Botha interview above, since he was actually there and knew what happened with Thatchers intervention on apartheid, rather than relying on sixth form lectures for his knowledge of the issues
Botha and Thatcher had minor roles in all this as you know - although Botha was brave in what he did and his role helped avoid bloodshed. thatcher called mandela a terrorist altho that is now denied.
As above, I think it's remarkable how differently the people who were actually there view Thatchers involvement than the people who weren't.
To be fair, I can understand how Zulu would be jerking himself off to a video like that. A man, after his own heart, DeKlerk, tells us that Thatcher was a beacon of freedom. If I was in the ilk of zulu, I'd be masturbating myself silly to that too.
Still bitter much?
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I'm not bitter Zulu/labrat/multiple other logins. I suspect that you are though for various reasons.
Just looks like you've had a bit of a paddy after being proved wrong really Darcy
Probably best you get some sleep Zulu - it sounds like you're quite angry again and it never ends well for you when you get angry. ("my racism hell" story?...oh go on, it was hilarious)
Amusing, I thought the likes of me really wasn't worth it this evening...
You're not.
(EDIT: unless we could have the "my racism hell" story...althiuht I can't remember which of your log-ins you used for that one. Can you?)
Ninfan - memberThatcher did more to end apartheid than anyone, Mandela was a communist (he was also a terrorist, but I don't know who you are claiming said he was "terrorist scum" so unless you can provide an actual quote, then I'm calling fake)
Go and educate yourself rather than relying on Sixth form poster campaigns.
That's the civil service's official version of events.
If you want a slightly different perspective, try this instead:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/opposing-apartheid-clever/
"Salmon acquits Thatcher of actually supporting apartheid. I would dispute this. I was only a Second Secretary but the South Africa (Political) desk was just me, and I knew exactly what was happening. My own view was that Thatcher was a strong believer in apartheid, but reluctantly accepted that in the face of international opposition, especially from the United States, it would have to be dismantled."
lol at the above exchanges.
That's the civil service's official version of events.
It may be, but it also appears very clearly to be supported by documents plus two of the key SA politicians who had skin in the game, So it's their word versus the impressions of a junior civil servant, and I don't see their motivation for lying to protect maggies reputation.