He turns a deliberate blind eye to the abuse even promoting one of those involved in the OULB anti-semitism
Why do you see racism everywhere but in the mirror ?
One more time find a quote from corbyn that was as racist[ about anyone] as you have been on here
Its very bizarre that you accuse others of racism despite the fact their outburst are nothing compared to yours 😕
to the abuse
That will be the abuse which was found not to exist....
The Labour Party is not overrun by antisemitism, Islamophobia or other forms
And it precisely this youthful grassroots involvement by people who would otherwise be disengaged from politics which is threatening the status quo and which frightens the political elite so much.
I think this is spot on. It reminded me of something briefly in the news yesterday; a petition was handed to the police hoping to investigate Farage, UKIP and Leave.EU for inciting race crimes.
A UKIP spokesperson said;
[i]
“If a generation of clicktivists want to wallow in their own outrage, that is their right. Fortunately, fair-minded people will see through their attempts to silence free speech.”[/i]
Any response was always going to be a fairly bland "free speech" argument, fair enough, but the fact that they specifically said "[i]a generation[/i]" instead of "group", "rabble" or something suggests to me that they are fully aware that the more younger people get involved in politics, the more the old establishment is going to change, and the best thing they can do is try to belittle any attempt in doing so.
@footflaps the Corbyn / Shakrabati cover up is going to be blown apart by the next leader. If that happens to be Owen Smith as soon as September its going to be very messy. He has made a point of bringing it up as a leadsrship contest issue already. As far as I am aware no one made any allegations of Islamaphobia in the Labour Party, Corbyn and Shakrabati introduced this element to further water down the anti-semitic elements of the "investigation". Corbyn supressed the publication of the actual specific abuse which tookmplace at OULB imo as it was too explosive and one of the indivudal as concerned he has promoted to a senior advisory poistion. Corbyn has been called back to the House Select Commitee as it transpires he mislead them (ie lied) when he answered a specific question about not meeting with an individual after he became aware he was a holocaust denier.
I have personally seen and heard those on the left be anti-semitic - it fits with their view of the Jews controlling the media, the banks, the US etc, ditto from those part of the Palestinian Solidarity Movemnet. The Jewish community is appalled at what has gone on under Corbyn as leader and in his role as part of Stop the War. I have heard this first hand.
Corbyn is well aware of all of this and does nothing at all to confront it, afew soundbytes is not action. To the contrary his bery deliberate comparison of Israel to [b]so called Islamic state[/b] was not a slip of the tongue but a very deliberate interjection at what was supposed to be an event to launch Chakrabati's report. He just can't help himself.
Corbyn is well aware of all of this and does nothing at all to confront it, afew soundbytes is not action. To the contrary his bery deliberate comparison of Israel to so called Islamic state was not a slip of the tongue but a very deliberate interjection at what was supposed to be an event to launch Chakrabati's report. He just can't help himself.
What amused me is that Chakrabati's report said that Labour should stop comparing Israel with the Nazis. 😆
The Labour Party has changed. With over half a million members it now more than twice a large as it was last year. The 300,000 who have joined haven't joined so that the establishment/elite can carry on their old ways without interference. They have joined to have their say, to hold accountable those who purport to represent them but consider politics to be their own personal fiefdom.
Really? Because 1% of the electorate joins the Labour Party you think you have a revolution?
Really? Because 1% of the electorate joins the Labour Party you think you have a revolution?
It says the party has changed, I don't think it's suggesting a revolt has occurred.
Do the new left have any understanding of what they are actually taking on? If they think they are going to change the world by removing the Blairites from labour and actually scare any of the political opposition they are sadly misguided. If you ever actually raise any type of genuine opposition then the combination of Tory/Murdoch/UKIP/Daily Mail etc will shut you like a door and buy your sad and sorry arses for a few quid - welcome to Brexit the Futures bright the Futures Right wing.
If you New left labour want to get an MP they will all need to move to one borough.
and we have all personally seen and heard folk on the right being racist but that does not mean everyone on the right is a racist only those who are right wing and say racist things. its not a coincidence that all the racist groups are right wing now is it. Even still I dont think just because someone is right wing they are a racist Probably because i am not stupid.I have personally seen and heard those on the left be anti-semitic
Only a moron or someone politically motivated would think that this statement is comparing ISrael to ISISTo the contrary his bery deliberate comparison of Israel to so called Islamic state was not a slip of the tongue but a very deliberate interjection
Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.”
Its says a Jew is not responsible if Israel does something bad and nor is a muslim when ISIS does. Only a racist would demonise an entire religion due to the actions of a minority that sort of person is you and not corbyn as demonstrated by your words on here.
Granted spinning the story like that will get traction in the tabloids but all it does here is make you look like you are "exaggerating" . Basically the argument is completely and utterly false and everyone knows it even you
AGain have you an example of him being as racist about anyone as you are about Muslims?
Only a moron or someone politically motivated would think that this statement is comparing ISrael to ISIS
It's exactly what he was doing and you know it. I bet it was a hands in the head moment for Chakrabati. Comedy genius.
an example of him being as racist about anyone as you are about Muslims?
We've already done this Junky - you can't be racist with comments aimed towards "muslims", its a religion, not a race. the law is very clear on this.
If you can't be arsed getting it right, then I can't see why Jamba should bother responding
jambalaya - MemberAs far as I am aware no one made any allegations of Islamaphobia in the Labour Party
The Rod Liddle, an associate editor of The Spectator, has been suspended from the Labour Party, after 37 years membership, for Islamophobia.
Mind you I don't know WTF he is doing in the Labour Party.
Quite apart from his long held anti-Muslim views he doesn't much like disabled people [i][b](being disabled is "incredibly fashionable", it brings government cash, you don't need to work – and you can even get a car parking badge)[/i][/b], has referred to Lee Rigby's murderers as [b]"black savages"[/b], thinks Stephan Lawrence's murderers didn't get a fair trial, doesn't much like gay people either [i][b](I would have thought that the requirement for amyl nitrate to relax the sphincter muscle and lube to accommodate entry was God's way of telling you that what you're about to do is unnatural and perverse)[/b][/i] and he ridicules transgender people.
I'm guessing he's not a Corbyn supporter and probably quite likes Tony Blair. I bit like you really.
I doubt that he is a one-off in the Labour Party.
It's exactly what he was doing and you know i
Oh dear we have an entrant - which category are you applying for ?
Only a moron or someone politically motivated would think that this statement is comparing ISrael to ISIS
Oh dear we have an entrant - which category are you applying for ?
Oh, no, I fell right into your cunning trap didn't I! Well done you.
We've already done this Junky - you can't be racist with comments aimed towards "muslims", its a religion, not a race. the law is very clear on this.
That'll be cultural racism as opposed to just a racist, then?
Glad that's sorted as cultural racists are much better than the old school biological racists (so 1970s see).
I think you'll find, with a bit of investigation, that UK law is anything but clear.
There is no logical way to argue your position so it was a "trap" only someone really daft would jump headfirst into again why did you do it?
Our American friends are no more responsible for the actions of lone people with guns than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.”
Damn i was just rude about Americans and compared them to ISIS
Our cycling friends are no more responsible for the actions of red light jumpers and pavement cyclers than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.”
Oh shit we are all like ISIS now
Sad face
I don't want to de-rail the thread (more than I have perhaps already). I read Shami's report and also Baroness Royal's summary, like her I was dissapointed publication of the full report was supressed. If anyone wants a specific reply I'll be happy to do so directly,
That'll be cultural racism as opposed to just a racist, then?
No, its not, http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/racist_and_religious_crime/#a04
I look forward to seeing Junky apologise to Jamba for accusing him of racism
ninfan - Memberyou can't be racist with comments aimed towards "muslims", its a religion, not a race. the law is very clear on this.
The law is now very clear that Islamophobia is no different to Antisemitism.
Which of course you, I, and everyone else, knows was precisely Junkyard's point.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/anti-muslim-hate-crimes-to-get-own-category-bringing-islamophobia-in-line-with-anti-semitism-a6691811.html ]Hate crimes aimed at Muslims to get own category, bringing Islamophobia in line with anti-Semitism[/url]
[i][b]"The move brings Islamophobia in line with anti-Semitic attacks targeting Jews, which have been recorded separately for some time"[/b][/i]
Ooh, a newspaper report saying they have created a section on a reporting form 🙄
CPS say otherwise
diddums
No, its not, http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/racist_and_religious_crime/#a04
Sikh is a race then?
I said that the law is fluid and not clear, that is the beauty of UK law and as Ernie points out.... Ooops.
diddums
One think that can be said about you ninfan you don't try to convince anyone through the persuasive power of your arguments. Which is probably very wise.
Islamophobia is now treated in the same way Antisemitism, see my link.
And which I repeat, you, I, and everyone else knows, was precisely Junkyard's point.
CPS say otherwise
CPS don't decide the meanings of words or the biology of race.
Diddums.
One think that can be said about you ninfan you don't try to convince anyone through the persuasive power of your arguments. Which is probably very wise.
Pretty sure he's not aiming to convince anyone - just to divert attention from jamba's shrill cries to a pointless discussion of precisely which hate-crime he's guilty of.
CPS don't decide the meanings of words or the biology of race.
No of course not. Which is why they use the term 'anti-Semitic' in its cultural and religious definition rather than its strict racial definition.
The average Jordanian or Palestinian has a far greater claim to being a Semite than the average Jew from New York or Golders Green.
It is however inconceivable that if a Jordanian or Palestinian was the victim of a hate crime it would be classed as anti-Semitic.
There are no racial differences between Semites from Jordan and Semites from Israel. Anti-Semitic refers to hatred of people from a certain cultural and religious background.
There is no logical way to argue your position so it was a "trap" only someone really daft would jump headfirst into again why did you do it?
Ah, I see. In that case. If you reply again on this thread you're an idiot.
I dare you.
Lolz
Which is worse Islamophobia or Anti-Semitism? Anyone want to say one is worse than the other?
I think Islamophobia might be a legitimate word in Scrabble?
Ah, I see. In that case. If you reply again on this thread you're an idiot.
I dare you.
As i said there is no logical way. There are lots of childish ways and lots of stupid ways and some moronic ways yet you managed to choose one that had all of them an yet made no real sense. Well done
You can hurl childish barbs around , I doubt you can stop yourself even if you try, but he still did not compare Israel to ISIS There is no credible case to be made for any other position hence why you went for that playground level taunt.
Yeah he did. 🙂
The Labour Party has changed. With over half a million members it now more than twice a large as it was last year. The 300,000 who have joined haven't joined so that the establishment/elite can carry on their old ways without interference. They have joined to have their say, to hold accountable those who purport to represent them but consider politics to be their own personal fiefdom.
I'm one of those 300,000 new members. I joined because Corbyn in ineffectual and i want a Labour party which can provide meaningful opposition and form an electable government.
My experience of MPs are my local ones: Catherine McKinnell and Chi Onwurah. I wouldn't describe them as elite or establishment, nor do they consider politics their personal fiefdom.
Plot to oust Brown in 2009 by the Blairites as reported by the telegraph...
but he still did not compare Israel to ISIS
He absolutely did. He said "so called Islamic state" thats the term many people use for IS / ISIS / ISIL and he made the direct comparison to Israel. His attempted defence is that he meant to say "so called Islamic states" ie a plural. But countries like Saudi or Iran aren't "so called". He knew what he was doing, he was being offensive deliberately. There would be no reason to compare Israel to Saudi Arabia in the context of a report into anti-semitism
There is a very unpleasant side to Corbyn, this is just one example.
As Corbyn has been attempting to make women's rights a central part of his campaign 45 (half) of Labours female MPs have written to him asking him to deal with specific sexist abuse of them by his supporters
They need to write (or call) the police. Are they expecting J.C to knock on doors trying to find out who threw the brick?
[quote=5thElefant ]Yeah he did.
At least someone is impressed by your playground antics.
NO HE DID NOT make a direct comparison what he said was that jews were no more responsible for Israel than Muslims are for ISIL. How Is that comparing the entities? It compares the diaspora not the entities. Anything else is not even sophist is just a failure to comprehend motivated by personal politics.He absolutely did. He said "so called Islamic state" thats the term many people use for IS / ISIS / ISIL and he made the direct comparison to Israel
Nor did he offer the defence that you no dount heard on sky news somewhere eh 🙄
When challenged over the apparent comparison to Isis, the Labour leader said “of course I’m not” drawing links between the two.“In the report it says that you shouldn’t say to somebody just because you’re Jewish you must have an opinion on Israel, just as much as you shouldn’t say to a Muslim that you must have an opinion on Isis,” Mr Corbyn added.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-labour-row-report-compares-israel-government-isis-islamic-states-a7110931.html
Link to the actual speech here You need to be RW. disingenuous and a bit dim to argue that he compared them to ISIS he is not even close.
You have now reached the point where you are criticising him for not doing something that there was no reason to do.This is very very funny 😆. There would be no reason to compare Israel to Saudi Arabia in the context of a report into anti-semitism
There is a very unpleasant side to Corbyn, this is just one example.
and yet still no example of him being as racist about any race as you have been about Islam.
I guess since you can't defend the indefensible, hiding behind semantics is all you can do. Bravo.
It was a crass, ill-wrought thing to say for a political leader - that is not in question. Direct from the Basil Fawlty school of politics. Launching an antisemitism report whilst thinking aloud '[i]the thing about Israel, they're just like ISIS really aren't they[/i]?' Satirists sent home with a cob on because how do you top that?NO HE DID NOT make a direct comparison what he said was that jews were no more responsible for Israel than Muslims are for ISIL. How Is that comparing the entities? It compares the diaspora not the entities. Anything else is not even sophist is just a failure to comprehend motivated by personal politics.Nor did he offer the defence that you no dount heard on sky news somewhere eh
Whether you think this is evidence of malevolence or stupidity depends on where you stand, obviously. But you cannot say with a straight face that this was a normal and good-intentioned sort of discourse that has been badly distorted by a hostile media. Everything gets reshaped on passing through that lens, but his remarks were pointlessly offensive to the very people he was meant to be making a connection with.
'the thing about Israel, they're just like ISIS really aren't they?'
Stupid thing to sav given the media attention he's getting but I'd say only those looking for an argument or to be offended took it like that.
CaptJon - MemberI'm one of those 300,000 new members. I joined because Corbyn in ineffectual and i want.....
Interesting no doubt but only a fool would claim that all 300,000 new members joined for the same reason. The important question is why did the majority join ? No one can be sure of the answer but most suspect that it was probably because they were supportive of Corbyn.
This certainly is the view of the NEC which of course is precisely why they have barred new members from voting in the coming leadership election.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-membership-nec-momentum-blairite-angela-eagle-a7133556.html ]Fury as new members barred from voting in fresh Labour leadership contest by NEC[/url]
Quote :
[i]"Ruling body decides people who have been party members for less than six months cannot vote"[/i]
This is probably illegal btw as the Labour Party website encouraging people to join the party very clearly stated :
[b]“You’ll be eligible to vote in leadership elections, you can help shape party policy, you can attend local meetings and you can even stand as a candidate”[/b]
The fact that they took the drastic step of excluding 20% of party members, probably illegally, shows just how concerned they are of reasons why so many have recently joined the Labour Party.
Launching an antisemitism report whilst thinking aloud 'the thing about Israel, they're just like ISIS really aren't they?'
Only he didn't say that, as has been pointed out countless times. You have to be thick or dishonest, or both, to continue pretending he did.
Mind you I don't know WTF he (Rod Liddle) is doing in the Labour Party.
I had the dubious pleasure to be at school with him. Based on past evidence I'd hazard the guess that "what he's doing" is "being a self-advertising prat".
I'm one of the 300,000 as well. Seeing as one of the first interactions with the party was to retrospectively disenfranchise me (while taking the financially opportunistic step of renting out a vote at £25 a pop), I can't see the relationship being a long-lasting one.
I joined because I want to see effective opposition in the face of an increasingly right wing government. Having said that, it's now clear that no section of the PLP is capable of delivering that.
TBH the NEC may have thought they were damaging Corbyn in terms of support by banning the new members from voting, but in their usual ham-fisted way I suspect they've done him a favour.
Seems to me JC was saying ISIS and Israel were broadly equivalent but that Muslims/Jew respectively shouldn't be blamed as a whole for the actions of either.
I can't see how it can be read any other way.
