Jeremy Corbyn

I also don't see the point of a centrist Labour party to appeal to voters. If voters wanted that they could vote Liberal couldn't they?

Why do people think this, the Liberals and Labour are pretty far apart on many issues, such as free trade.

Anyway... what candidates? Just to repeat....

They're bright people. They know that to stand against Corbyn is totally pointless. Because the 'electorate' they have to win over can't be won over because they're all insane (see post above), and living on another planet.

Before the first leadership election?

What? Start an online petition?

Well you often talk about not being stuck in the past. From where I'm standing the lefty morons are making much better use of technology and social media than your average local labour party activist sitting in their labour club drinking pints of subsidised 3% bitter.

When I lived in Manchester, our local labour councillor didn't even have an official facebook account as he admitted that he didn't like using mobile phones.

Why do people think this, the Liberals and Labour are pretty far apart on many issues, such as free trade.

Well you often talk about not being stuck in the past. From where I'm standing the lefty morons are making much better use of technology and social media than your average local labour party activist sitting in their labour club drinking pints of subsidised 3% bitter.

Aye... because thats what labour party activists all actually do. You're basing that on your extensive experience, I expect

I just did a load of design and illustration work for a campaign against closing the local library (some of it was even online - cutting edge stuff eh?!) by the evil Tories, which we found out only yesterday gas been reprieved. And right now I'm redesigning all the comms (all for free of course) for the local party to appeal to more voters, as the present stuff is very dated, while the Tory stuff looks really good (more like a lifestyle magazine, and is getting their message across more effectively

Still debating how centrally the red flag will feature, along with the pictures of the glorious leader in a sort of Russian Constructivist style....

And you're doing, along with all the other Corbynites, what exactly comrade..........?

This....

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Momentum membership 20,000+
Labour 515,000

Leadership election result 2015
Corbyn 251,417
Burnham 80,462
Cooper 71,928
Kendall 18,857

Leadership election 2016
Corbyn 313,209
Smith 193,229

Struggling to see how momentum loonies have taken over the vote?

Your right about social media - lamenting today about Theresa on stage in Davos while,they are stuck behind their ****ter accounts

And you're doing, along with all the other Corbynites..........?

You're confusing me for Corbyn activist I think. I'm merely an interested observer in this clusterf*** 😉

As I've said before, there is much more in common with the new members and the old guard than people make out. Everyone is obsessing about the trots who are small in number. Trouble is if you dismiss all the new members - who are mostly pissed off young people previously detached from politics - as lefty nutters and morons, then the main people who will benefit are the real nutters in the SWP, AWL etc.

Maybe we are saying that the 300,000 who would want jc as. PM voted for him.

Daz... what I'm saying is that these Corbyn supporters aren't active doing anything. They've no interest in getting involved in local campaigns, or grassroots stuff within the party. They're just gobbing off to their mates, in the echo chambers of Twitter and Facebook

In which case you have to ask.... whats the point?

They're a total irrelevance. Much like their beloved Jeremy

Ironic, really

Meanwhile the people who are active, and trying to make a difference to peoples lives at a community level, are the kind of people who would be dismissed as traitors, closet tories and Blairites (like me) by the people who are busy doing nothing even remotely constructive at all, apart from pressing 'like' on lefty Facebook group posts

Hey ho....

The irony keeps on coming thick and fast in this thread, doesn't it?

Any substance has been sidelined in favour of a lengthy exchange about the acceptable use of language?

Are you Dianne Abbott? 😆

binners - Member

The irony keeps on coming thick and fast in this thread, doesn't it?

Any substance has been sidelined in favour of [s]a lengthy exchange about the acceptable use of language?[/s] repetitive use of the same not funny pictures, catchphrases and hilarious rants

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what I'm saying is that these Corbyn supporters aren't active doing anything. They've no interest in getting involved in local campaigns, or grassroots stuff within the party.

And yet my experience of the ones I know is the opposite. They're incredibly active, many of them are or used to be full-time activists (as I was myself for a short while). What they're not however is the sort of people who sit around in dusty labour clubs passing motions or hanging on the shirt tails of the local MP or PPC. And they're certainly not trots. Many wouldn't even call themselves socialists as they think the label is outdated.

The trouble is that the labour party says it wants new blood and new ideas - in fact it needs them, any party does - but what they really want is compliant drones who will knock on doors and make lists of people who will vote for them whilst having next to no input on the policies. So if that's what you're referring to it's no surprise that the new members are nowhere to be seen.

I think that your confusing getting elected with starting a revolution

Well seeing as none of them have the remotest interest in anything as mundane as getting a labour MP elected instead of the present Tory, or doing anything which would be of any use to the local community, I suppose we'll just have to be grateful to them when they get around to storming the barricades and liberating us from our evil capitalist overlords.

Presuming Countdown isn't on

I'll not hold my breath eh?

Well seeing as none of them have the remotest interest in anything as mundane as getting a labour MP elected instead of the present Tory

Stop being silly.

Silly? Again... you're basing that on your extensive involvement in local labour party campaigning are you Molls?

Thought so. I must be mistaken then....

Depends what you regard as actually 'doing ' something I suppose. I just thought that seeing as all these new 'members' gave their contact details when joining the party., and despite them receiving all the communications from the local labour party since regarding campaigns (i.e.: closure of local libraries and yesterdays announcement that the local NHS walk in centre is to close), meetings, local elections, etc, that none of them have replied, turned up, or done anything at all other than vote for Corbyn, then disappear

But hey....

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Well seeing as none of them have the remotest interest in anything as mundane as getting a labour MP elected instead of the present Tory, or doing anything which would be of any use to the local community

Yes of course, because being a loyal labour member is the only way you can contribute to the local community. 🙄

I suppose I'm not surprised, I've lost count of the number of campaigns I've been involved in where the local labour party were nowhere to be seen unless there was a photo opportunity or some way of claiming all the credit for something they had bugger all to do with.

Bit early to start doorsteping for the G.E?

Yes, because thats what an active democracy entails isn't it? You turn up and put your cross on a piece of paper every 5 years. Thats all. In between you can just forget about it.

Brilliant. Have a retweet 🙄

Binbins you've got a massive hard on for yourself because you do some bumpf for the Labour Party. Get over yourself man.

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The Left Will Eat Itself.

Binners maybe you could do facebook like fists in place of the fists on the "all hail reg" pic? That would actually be funny.

Has Corbyn been voted in? We've had a power cut and the lights are out across the whole area!

Very retro 70's Labour! 😀

Binners, you're in the North. Some of forgot to put 20p in the meter.

Good piece by that other member of the right wing conspiracy against the glorious leader - Marina Hyde in todays Guardian...

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/jan/18/footballers-wages-excess-patronising-lazy ]Using footballers wages as an example of excess is patronising and lazy[/url]

When you subsequently say footballers will be excluded it's just plain stupid.

Good article and agree 100% but in fairness to Corbinator he didn't bring up football the sky news woman did.

Still its a stupid/unworkable idea that he clearly hadn't thought about for more than 5 minutes.

Just make sure these super high earners pay tax.

That he subsequently needed pointing out to him that most of them making that money are from poor working class backgrounds, a lot of whom are black, and that it's one of the few avenues of social mobility left, speaks volumes.

Clueless!

They get paid what they are worth to the club. With CEOs there is a suspicion that they set their own wages a bit high.

You could always get a job as a CEO and find out for sure?

Bit busy THQ. In the meantime what do you think? Are some CEOs taking the piss a bit? What about codetermination like the Germans? Has TM changed her mind on this?

Yes some are, some are not. But I think it is the responsibility of others, not governments to address. As Jezza illustrated it's a bit too complicated for most politicians to get their heads around.

There are some merits to the German system but I have no idea what TM is going to do about (see ^)

It would be a good play for Corbs to hold her to it.

TM "I'm a leader I don't change my mind"

1 week later

JC "Great lets have some workers on boards, the German model works"

Probably some other nugggets in her Millibandesque speech she gave at the beginning of her tenure.

I see Seamus has been binned by the Graun. Sorry, left by mutual accord, I'm sure.

Good piece... in todays Guardian...

WOw what change of tone I mean they had been unwavering in their [s]hostility[/s] erm I mean impartial reporting of him until then

The only "lefty" who hates corbyn more than the Guardian is Binners 😉

Replace the words lefty with centre left (#realworld) and hate for despair (#seriously?) and you're there

[I]The only "lefty" who hates corbyn more than the Guardian is Binners [I]

Nope, Voted Labour all my life, Corbin makes me think we've gone back to the early 80's when Mrs T was 'demolishing' the opposition.

Nope, Voted Labour all my life, Corbin makes me think we've gone back to the early 80's when Mrs T was 'demolishing' the opposition.

@ctk relative to US we pay executives pretty modestly. I think Corbyn's big gripe is with Martin Sorrell as he paid himself £70m but he set the company up.

What I find odd is Corbyn is willing to have a go at CEOs but the best musicians, entertainers (inc those at the bbc) are paid very handsomely relative to most CEOs.

Well, the useless pillock Corbyn has lost my vote [i]and[/i] my party membership.

Seems quite bizarre that the Lib Dems are now the most viable opposition party, and certainly the only party to maintain an anti-Brexit voice.

yes he should leave it too many pitfalls with his line of thinking. Just make sure the top-earners pay tax.

Labour should talk about improving things for workers. Pay rises, workers on boards, protections for agency staff etc. concentrating on the top 0.5% and the bottom 0.5% is not the way to win votes.

Well seeing as none of them have the remotest interest in anything as mundane as getting a labour MP elected instead of the present Tory,

The fact the incumbent is useless just rubs salt into the wounds

I still think Binners should stand, right credentials, local businessman, involved in the community, champions the area

He could be the new David Chaytor 😉

To repeat the question - how many noughts after the decimal place?

Nope, Voted Labour all my life, Corbin makes me think we've gone back to the early 80's when Mrs T was 'demolishing' the opposition.

It is funny you should mention that:

The Labour Party is "in the hands of urban leftists given to ideological extremes with only fringe appeal"

[url] http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38677632 [/url]

Let's all sing along...

The word is about, there's something evolving,
Whatever may come, the world keeps revolving...
They say the next big thing is here,
That the revolution's near,
But to me it seems quite clear
That's it's all just a little bit of history repeating.
The newspapers shout a new style is growing,
But it don't know if it's coming or going,
There is fashion, there is fad
Some is good, some is bad
And the joke rather sad,
That it's all just a little bit of History repeating.
And I've seen it before
And I'll see it again
Yes I've seen it before
Just little bits of history repeating

I still think Binners should stand, right credentials, local businessman, involved in the community, champions the area

He could be the new David Chaytor

Something to aim for eh B&D! 😉

Unfortunately he's the reason we're saddled with the toxic little Tory we've got. Snout well and truly in the trough in the expenses scandal. James lost to him at the last election by 120 votes, after a recount. Which is why i have to laugh when people say labour needed to march off to the left as their centrist position was 'totally discredited' Labour lost by 12 seats at the last election. And a lot of those seats went to majorities as slim as that. And before that Dave couldn't actually get a majority against Gordon Brown.

And where has this march to the irrelevant leftist fringe got labour? There surely can't be anyone who believes that Corbyn's labour party will be anything other than decimated at the next election, can there?

I seriously lived in hope that Corbyn would tack towards the cenrtre ground (where the votes are) after being elected. When on week one he refused to sing the national anthem, that scuppered any hope that any sense at all would prevail.

Serious question to the cheerleaders on here..... How do they see a general election panning out? I can see labour losing swathes of their 'traditional heartlands' and being reduced to a rump of maybe 100 MPs that would only present constituencies in large cities.

Do you even care? Or is idealogical purity far more important? I suspect to a lot of them, like Corbyn himself, it is

urban leftists

WTF is an urban leftist?

Unfortunately he's the reason we're saddled with the toxic little Tory we've got.

So now it's Corbyn's fault that labour lost the election even though he wasn't leader then and no one knew who he was? This is getting pretty silly.

Its a 'street' leftist innit blud? 😀

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So now it's Corbyn's fault that labour lost the election even though he wasn't leader then and no one knew who he was?

No Daz. Read it again. David Chaytor is the reason. Nowt to do with the beardy messiah

I'd be interested in you answering the question about how you see a general election under Corbyn panning out though

Fire away....

David Chaytor is the reason.

I stand corrected. In my defence I'm hungover and have a cold. My brain isn't capable of detecting subtle plot lines. 🙂

Anyway, the election. I actually agree with you, they're going to lose massively if Corbyn is at the helm when it happens. I don't believe he will be though unless TM goes to the polls early, which she won't. He'll lose though not because his policies are ridiculous, but because he's Jeremy Corbyn. Ed Miliband lost not because of his policies, but because he was Ed Miliband. It doesn't really matter who is leader now anyway. Brexit has changed the landscape so much that the labour party are screwed in any scenario. Jeremy Corbyn is just the poor sod who will carry the can whilst allowing the rest of them to carry on with their fantasies that they would have won if only they were more like the tories.

Labour lost by 12 seats at the last election

Seats won Tories 330 Labour 232

Perhaps i dont have enough crayons to do the maths here can you help me?

Sorry - the Tories have a majority of 12. It'll be 14 after these next 2 by-elections though. Go Jezza! 😕

So how do you see the next election panning out JY? Serious question...? Can you see Corbyn retaining even half those seats?

with your loyal support anything can happen 😉

Clearly the labour party seem hell bent on self destruction

Who you blame is the only thing worthy of discussion - I say worthy because I have low standards 😉

"Who you blame is the only thing worthy of discussion"

Really? Allocating blame is a press obsession, but in reality its futile. We all know who did what, and why. On the his issue, blame is totally subjective and pointless .

WTF is an urban leftist?

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FFS so politics is now boiled down to silly caricatures in a 70s sitcom? It's almost as stupid as the monty python comparisons.

Why not? That's what the politicians seem to be doing at the moment...

caricatures in a 70s sitcom?

90s.

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Has he just nicked a bike? 😉

One might suggest that if you don't want to be compared to caricatures in a 70's sitcom then you shouldn't try to drag the Labour party down to being a 70's sitcom caricature.

Nice tracky!

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He'll lose though not because his policies are ridiculous,

Marxist Chancellor
Salary cap not applicable to footballers
No clear policy on immigration (the major issue of the day)
Calls terrorists friends and a tragedy OBL was shot
Against police shooting terrorists
Thinks Nuclear submarines should have no nukes
Anti-NATO

Shall I go on ?

Shall I go on ?

What's the point cos we all know most of that is total bollox and you know it. I find it quite heartening really that you have to make shit up and keep repeating lies that have repeatedly been proven to be false as it probably means he's not as crazy as you would like to make out.

No clear policy on immigration (the major red-herring of the day)

FTFY

What's the Tories policy on immigration?

Misguided

jambalaya - Member
Shall I go on ?

What's the Tories policy on immigration?

Net migration down to the 10's of thousands. No Freedom of movement with the EU.

Bad news to bury ? How about just before Trump's inauguration ? Labour have ended the investigation into anti-semitic behaviour by two members of the OULC (inc it's head I believe) and will take no action. Critism from the Jewish community has been load and firm but of course hardly reported.

What's the point cos we all know most of that is total bollox and you know it. I find it quite heartening really that you have to make shit up and keep repeating lies that have repeatedly been proven to be false as it probably means he's not as crazy as you would like to make out.

That list is all factual, feel free to point out which are lies.

McDonnell said that himself, on video
Corbyn's said that (because they are "only with their club a short time", stop digging jc please stop digging)
Relaunch fiasco around immigration changing speech overnight at the insistence of Abbot
Corbyn's direct words - Hezbollah and Hamas specifically. Similar comments by him and McDonnell re: IRA (McD apologising on QT)
Corbyn's own words in responce to an LK/BBC question
Trident fisaco, Corbyn's "proposal"
Long history of anti-NATO ranting, rally speeches on video

EDIT: on the IRA/Troubles Corbyn and McD have been accused in Parliament of "wanting the other side to win"

If Corbyn makes it anywhere near 2020 GE all of this and more is going to come up again and again, the Tories are biting their lip at present.

Jamby -

Net migration down to the 10's of thousands.

That's going to be a problem for at least the company I work for. We have ~25 employees.

About 20% are from outside the UK. Hiring enough people in the UK with the skills we need isn't possible (perhaps thanks to 20 years of terrible education policy from people like Gove, but that's another thread).

So we'll have to do less, and take longer doing it. And struggle to compete therefore with companies without that constraint.

Oh, and the exchequer can kiss goodbye to all those nice income taxes these hated foreigners are bringing in.

Trident fisaco, Corbyn's "proposal"

Seems Corbyn's idea isn't too far from the reality if you read the news today. Except of course we're still spending the money on a system that appears not to work.

It is probably a good thing that we are [s]spending the money on a system that appears not to work[/s] replacing it then.

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Marxist Chancellor
Salary cap not applicable to footballers
No clear policy on immigration (the major issue of the day)
Calls terrorists friends and a tragedy OBL was shot
Against police shooting terrorists
Thinks Nuclear submarines should have no nukes
Anti-NATO

Shall I go on ?

Before I read who the poster was I thought it was ernie or jy listing the stupid stuff made up to smear JC.

"What's the Tories policy on immigration?"

Net migration down to the 10's of thousands.

How's that been going in the last few years?

DrJ see my post above re the sources, mostly direct from the man's mouth. Feel free to give me your interpretation of my list.

It's impossible to control immigration being in the EU, so it's been going very badly. Tories proved you can't control immigration inside the EU and then we voted Leave.

It's impossible to control immigration being in the EU,

Not enough eye rolling available for those 'sources'

nickjb - Member
It's impossible to control immigration being in the EU,
So now can we get migration from the EU down to similar levels of migration from outside the EU?

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So, he manages ( we hope / assume ) to find a seat on a train - a long-trousers, grown-up moment for our Jezza - only to find that, man of the people that he is, the train is full of the wrong sort of Lumpenproletariat:

Still, they do seem to have the measure of the man.

“Get your policies out for the lads”

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