Jeremy Corbyn

Nothing about being anti English in the slightest, however much you would like it to be. It's simply a pragmatic look at who [i]I think[/i] has scotlands best interests at heart, parties rooted in scotland or parties rooted in the union.

Call that anti-English if it plays to your agenda if you like. Doesn't make it true. 😉

"Parties rooted in the union" - thats better. Don't forget our Welsh and NI friends.

The union is a matter of perception, you will find that out soon enough. 😉

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I doubt that 'posh boy' accusation would withstand more than a couple of seconds of meeting me and observing how frightfully uncouth I am.

I would however pay good money to watch the keyboard warriors on this thread level the 'posh boy' accusation at some of the lads I went to my 'posh middle class rural school' with, while stood within punching distance.

The union is a matter of perception, you will find that out soon enough.

😀

May be, may be not. But as this past month has shown - be very careful what you wish for!

(what has happened to access to education for the less advantaged in Scotland BTW?)

teamhurtmore - Member

I can only find a wider Labour Party. How do you join the English one?

It's an assumption many Scots make because we have been continually told we have a Scottish Labour Party and the SLP cry and get upset if we say it's just the Labour Party.

So knowing the likes of Jim Murphy to be icons of veracity we assume that a big place like England must surely have its own exclusively English Labour Party. You'll note that we did our level best to make it so at the GE. 🙂

As for the Irish and Welsh, they're fine sturdy people, so whatever arrangement they have is up to them.

I'm not going to fight the SNPs corner. 😉

Still they are preferable to becoming the 51st state and having to put up with the tories for the next 400 years. 😆

Good to read and know epic. I am sure the next time that someone equates GB or UK with England, no tartan heckles will be raised. 😉

Assumptions are dangerous wee beasties at times though aren't they!!

Anyway back to our old friend Jezza - he's not really relevant in Scotland any more is he?

Next time there's a danger of the SNP proping up a labour government, we can all be sure the tories will romp home. Why do you think that may be, thm? 😉

does that need an edit? I haven't been on the 80 bob yet...

Nope.

ok, may be a need a pint to understand it then. Hang on....

take your time. 😉

You seem to have answered the English Labour Party Qn. There is no such thing, nor is there and English LibDems or Conservative Party. There is only one for the United Kingdom.

@dazh - effective oppostion, I would add to @seaso's comment below that by challenging the government they are demonstrating that they would be a credible alternative government and on occasion they would hope to modify or stop legislation they felt was wrong by encouraging members of the majority government to vote against it.

The only purpose of an effective opposition is to get themselves elected

On this point we all know how Corbyn's doing, if he does survive the summer I just wonder how awful are going to be these totally inexperienced Shadow cabinet members assuming more of them don't throw in the towel.

on the effective opposition point, i also strikes me that there's no election till 2020 apparently, so what's the rush then, labour can take their time with the leadership contest.

You seem to have answered the English Labour Party Qn. There is no such thing,

Really? 😉 That does surprise. I can put my £25 back in my pocket then!!

Has Jezza filled the shadow cabinet yet?

labour can take their time with the leadership contest.

That's a relief

Politics, not just the union is perception. I'm sure after the last 4 years of utter nonsense, we can all agree that? 😆

Next time there's a danger of the SNP proping up a labour government, we can all be sure the tories will romp home. Why do you think that may be, thm?

SNP are poisenous South of the border, broadly understood to be rabidly anti-English and as we have seen despite saying they would not interfere in English only matters have already done so. Seen here to be very dishonest and untrustworthy. On TV again amd again b.tchi g and moaning despite being net recipients under the Barnett formula. As such the thought of them being in a coalition with the Labour Party is enough to swing ample voters to Tories or LibDems. If the SNP just got on with managing Scotland under their devolved Parliament it wouldn't be like this but they show no signs of changing. If as I expect the Tories win big in 2020 then perhaps they'll adopt a different tactic or their support will have waned as Scots realise an SNP vote at a General Election is a wasted vote

labour can take their time with the leadership contest.
That's a relief

being serious for a moment, from a labour perspective it really is, despite all the hysteria, holidays coming up soon and the reall questions on brexit aren't going to surface for a while, so yes it probably is the case.

They'll need to get their act together fairly sharpish soon after though. basically i'd reckon they've 6 months to get their shit together, or they really are doomed.

jambalaya - Member
Next time there's a danger of the SNP proping up a labour government, we can all be sure the tories will romp home. Why do you think that may be, thm?
SNP are poisenous South of the border, broadly understood to be rabidly anti-English and as we have seen despite saying they would not interfere in English only matters have already done so. Seen here to be very dishonest and untrustworthy. On TV again amd again b.tchi g and moaning despite being net recipients under the Barnett formula. As such the thought of them being in a coalition with the Labour Party is enough to swing ample voters to Tories or LibDems. If the SNP just got on with managing Scotland under their devolved Parliament it wouldn't be like this but they show no signs of changing. If as I expect the Tories win big in 2020 then perhaps they'll adopt a different tactic or their support will have waned as Scots realise an SNP vote at a General Election is a wasted vote

I'm watching series 2 of the Thick of It. In comparison to what's going on today, it's like a big warm fwuffy comfort blanket.

"Feet off the furniture! You're not on a punt now you Oxbridge ****! "

you have a complete inability to look at anything other than from your own perspective, don't ye

The scots no more hate the english than you hate the europeans [ well the non muslim ones anyway]oh and the ones that are over here Ironically as you sit over there 😉

binners - Member

Well I've spent the afternoon gently dabbing my eyes with my lacy hanky*. I'm big and daft enough to look after myself and not gather up my petticoats for a flounce.

I do find it quite amusing I was being accused of being a 'posh boy' going to a 'posh middle class rural school'. Rural? In Warrington? Seriously?

I doubt that 'posh boy' accusation would withstand more than a couple of seconds of meeting me and observing how frightfully uncouth I am.

I would however pay good money to watch the keyboard warriors on this thread level the 'posh boy' accusation at some of the lads I went to my 'posh middle class rural school' with, while stood within punching distance.

You are extraordinarily defensive when you are accused of being middle-class binners, it's as if it's the worst possible insult. Why do you hate the middle-classes so much?

It makes no sense, specially as you are so clearly middle-class. As a manual building worker educated to CSE standard and living in rented accommodation in Croydon it would amuse me greatly if I was called middle-class. I've been called "a bit posh" on building sites because I sometimes read the Guardian in my tea breaks, seriously. It makes me chuckle, I've never taken it as an insult - I usually agree with them and say "I'm right proper posh".

Anyway yeah, I reckon you're middle-class. But I only said it because a few months ago that's what you were accusing people of not supporting Corbyn of being. I had no idea your reaction would be to accuse me of trying to silence you and of acting like the Taliban 🙂

I'll remind you again what you said a few months ago :

binners - Member

I do love the Guardian as it's still the most entertaining paper out there. I still buy it every day. But it does amuse me the labour cheerleading from Polly Toynbee and her ilk, sending us the view of what british politics looks like from Tuscany. Or from their 3 million quid Islington pads. It's apt really, as they're as clueless as the Labour Party for much the same reason.

It's no wonder they've come out against Corbyn. He's as terrifying and alien to them as someone northern, working class, or scottish. They like to stay in their nice, comfortable, upper middl class, bollocks-talking, London-centric metropolitan bubble, just like the Labour Party

I bet you've been to Tuscany haven't you? Is it nice ?

And I still don't understand why you think going to a comprehensive school makes you working-class, do all middle-class kids get into grammar schools then? Was your school "well'ard" ?

U OK HON? Xx

As a manual building worker educated to CSE standard and living in rented accommodation in Croydon

Oh! I see. There is one among us that is more worthy than all of us.

Four legs good, two legs better...

It's Hun down south. Is Hon how working-class people pronounce it?

I've got that right haven't I ....... everyone up north is working-class right? Like everyone who went to a comprehensive school.

EDIT: I can't stop chuckling........."I'm working-class, I went to a comprehensive school" !!! 😆

Oh! I see. There is one among us that is more worthy than all of us.

Four legs good, two legs better...

😀

I grew up in a council flat as a one parent family getting free school meals

What do I win...please say its alenin style hat as I reckon that will look lovely on my head

The old school divides of who and what was and is working class are to some degree broken.
I am degree educated and teacher so therefore middle class. i live in a terrace house and therefore I am working class. I have attributes of both classes but I do not for a second consider myself middle class.

[b]Check your privilege[/b] before commenting further on the thread then

everyone up north is working-class right?

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Does everyone need to list 'their struggle' - brother killed in a police cell because he was black, or whatever, before they're allowed to express an opinion?

You sum up everything that's brilliant about the Corbyn Labour Party

Well done.

Back in the political Stone Age (12 months ago) I had high hopes for tge new approach offered by Corbyn. This far down the line it's difficult to express in words how catastrophically he's ****ed it up.

It's difficult to imagine how he could have possibly managed to do it any worse.

He's a die-hard right wing Tory's wet dream. Surely the benchmark for any labour leader?

Keep waving that little red flag that proves you're authentic Bruv. And as to the three terms of tory rule youve ushered in? A price worh paying comrade?
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I am degree educated and teacher so therefore middle class.

Never mind about that.....did you go to a comprehensive school and do you live up north? The Taliban wants to know.

Back in the political Stone Age (12 months ago) I had high hopes for tge new approach offered by Corbyn. This far down the line it's difficult to express in words how catastrophically he's ****ed it up.

I'm not criticising you for changing your mind, why shouldn't you?

I'm just pointing out that you accuse people who don't agree with you of being middle-class. First it was everyone who didn't support Corbyn was middle-class, and now everyone who supports Corbyn, because you no longer do, is middle-class.

I just thought I would join in and call [i]you[/i] middle-class. Big mistake apparently. You went to a comprehensive school 🙂

Never mind about that.....did you go to a comprehensive school and do you live up north? The Taliban wants to know.

yes just like your namesake you have lists for the show trials

left wing politics today

Alice Perry, an Islington councillor and one of the local government reps on the NEC, detailed how party staff were spat at during a weekend party meeting in Brighton. She added that she and others had received death threats and rape threats. And Perry said it was time the leadership and Momentum took real action to stamp out the intimidation by those using their name.

Another local government rep Ann Lucas said her home window had been smashed. MP Shabana Mahmood said she’d been made to fear for her life. NEC member Johanna Baxter revealed how her personal mobile number had been put online by critics. Corbyn, Unite’s Jennie Formby and Jon Trickett all came up to the women during a break in the meeting to express their concern at the intimidation.

how many incidents during the recent conservative party leadership change?

Hon

He's addressing you as the son of a Lord, I believe.

Good point.

Let's not comment about what an unmitigated disaster Corbyn has been, and continues to be. Let's turn our fire in those who dare to criticise the Glorious Leader

Theresa May must be laughing her tits off. But as long as the Labour Party is 'authentic' and 'real' then it's ok, right? Totally unelectable, but keeping it real!

Sounds like the very personification of middle class self indulgence to me

I was going to offer biscuits But i suspect canape [ I have no idea what these actually are FWIW] and hummus- I make my own FWIW- are more the order of the day

The cpt probably has the wine order covered and Binner s the beer - i bets its something poncey from a micro brewery though.

mefty - Member
Hon
He's addressing you as the son of a Lord, I believe.

Let's not comment about what an unmitigated disaster Corbyn has been, and continues to be. Let's turn our fire in those who dare to criticise the Glorious Leader

Normally the LW solution to this kind of thing. Surpress dissent or what was the phrase earlier - clean out the Blairites!

Good to keep your SOH in the face of such arsey behaviour!! Bravo.

Binners, who's your choice for labour leader?

Ernie Lynch 😉

how many incidents during the recent conservative party leadership change?

No idea, I've been too busy roaming the streets of Croydon in my Technical looking for suspected clog-dancing anti-Corbynista northerners

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Binners, who's your choice for labour leader?

Ernie Lynch

he's probably not a member of the party, just a supporter to vote for JC

having said that, these days you can't rule anything out, I'm sure the NEC can rewrite the rules to suit

Ernie will be one of the most politically active posters on STW as he does stuff other than sound of on here

I am only a member due to trade union affiliation.
I am not sure how I will vote

Binners, who's your choice for labour leader?

Andy Burnham. The only person in the Labour Party who actually gets what the problem is

You may have noticed, but he presently wouldn't touch this crock of shit with a shitty stick.

And who could blame him

Ernie and his three quid trots are about to make the Labour Party an electoral irrelevance.

If there was election tomorrow UKIP will take pretty much all the former 'labour heartlands'. The SNP will get the one seat they didn't get last time out. The lib dems will mop up the votes of centrists who won't vote Tory, but also aren't rabid commies. But the red flag will still fly over the10% of the population who went through the routine of popping their cross next to a labour name. The tories will win by a landslide, and set out doing what they bloody well like, privatising air, of whatever, totally unopposed, but the red flag will still fly over islington, so don't worry.... Everything will be fine....